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Old 10-09-2013, 12:39 AM   #1
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'14 JK spare tire carrier altered to hold 35"s?

I was told the '14 JK stock tire carrier's were altered so they could fit 35"s... Can anybody verify if this is true? If this is the case, I may want to go this route in the future, as I assume replacing the needed parts for my '13 would be far less expensive than that if a new tire carrier.

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The tailgate is the weakest link. I read a thread about the 12+ tailgates being much stronger but I think it's just a myth.

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Old 10-09-2013, 12:22 PM   #3
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I recently had 315/70/17 (almost a 35) and new wheels installed on my 13 and when I went to pick it up the 35 was on my stock carrier,didn't appear to be any issue's. A week or so later I installed the teraflex,not that anything was wrong but I've read alot of different threads on damage that could occur.
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I've had a 35" tire on my stock carrier for 9 mos. and 15K miles. No issues whatsoever.

3 things:
1. - I don't wheel it hard.
2. - I put on the Daystar tailgate bump stops to reach the tire and eliminate vibration.
3. - I'm careful opening and closing the tailgate. I don't let it swing free opening, and I don't slam it shut.

I think it depends on the wheel, and your back space, but I have seen some adaptors that add more space to accommodate the wider wheel/tire combo's. Personally, I'd think having the wheel farther away from the tailgate would invite problems, at least more so than mounting on the stock set up.

I have no reason to believe that this setup will not work fine for at least as long as I own it.

All that being said... I do have an AEV rear bumper/tire carrier sitting on my office floor which I will eventually get around to installing. But I admit it's much more for the "bling" factor than worry about the tailgate failing.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:42 PM   #5
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I'll be catching some flak for this, but I don't care...

The OEM carrier is incredibly strong...much stronger than most people think and as strong as some very expensive brackets. One of the EVO rigs was wheeling the 2013 JK Experience with a 37" Trail Grappler without any issues (and those guys wheel HARD.) It's all about controlling the wiggle. If the tire is solid and doesn't bounce around, it will hold it fine. Most people have HEARD about the OEM carrier failing, but no one has actually had theirs fail. It's just something that gets passed around from forum to forum. Get the proper bump stops, make sure your tire doesn't move around, and you'll be fine. If you want a carrier later on, by all means. The tailgate problems happened when people didn't use proper bump stops, and the tire vibrated the spotwelds off.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:45 PM   #6
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Here's an alternative, it works well for my 35.

Smittybilt Accessories - Oversized Spare Tire Carrier - Jeep Wrangler JK - SmittyBilt 2743 - Truck Customizers

It holds the tire snug at 4 points up against the vertical bars. It's actually easier to use than the factory carrier and can hold a CB antenna bracket.

Skeptical, I got mine off a forum member for about $50+shipping - it works very well.
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I'll be catching some flak for this, but I don't care...

The OEM carrier is incredibly strong...much stronger than most people think and as strong as some very expensive brackets. One of the EVO rigs was wheeling the 2013 JK Experience with a 37" Trail Grappler without any issues (and those guys wheel HARD.) It's all about controlling the wiggle. If the tire is solid and doesn't bounce around, it will hold it fine. Most people have HEARD about the OEM carrier failing, but no one has actually had theirs fail. It's just something that gets passed around from forum to forum. Get the proper bump stops, make sure your tire doesn't move around, and you'll be fine. If you want a carrier later on, by all means. The tailgate problems happened when people didn't use proper bump stops, and the tire vibrated the spotwelds off.
In the Teraflex carrier thread someone posted a picture of the stock carrier failing. But you are correct part of the challenge is the wiggle. But even the wait will eventually destroy the welds inside the tailgate and give you rattles, the wiggling just speeds up the process.
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I'll be catching some flak for this, but I don't care...

The OEM carrier is incredibly strong...much stronger than most people think and as strong as some very expensive brackets. One of the EVO rigs was wheeling the 2013 JK Experience with a 37" Trail Grappler without any issues (and those guys wheel HARD.) It's all about controlling the wiggle. If the tire is solid and doesn't bounce around, it will hold it fine. Most people have HEARD about the OEM carrier failing, but no one has actually had theirs fail. It's just something that gets passed around from forum to forum. Get the proper bump stops, make sure your tire doesn't move around, and you'll be fine. If you want a carrier later on, by all means. The tailgate problems happened when people didn't use proper bump stops, and the tire vibrated the spotwelds off.
If indeed the weakness is a myth, it probably comes from old YJ/TJ owners like myself. I had my tub separate on my YJ at the rear of the pass side wheel well because of the weight of a 33. It was definitely a problem on that era jeep. Maybe not so on the JK. That'd be nice, since i'd like to one day run 32's on my YJ, and would love to not worry about the weight on the tire carrier.
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If indeed the weakness is a myth, it probably comes from old YJ/TJ owners like myself. I had my tub separate on my YJ at the rear of the pass side wheel well because of the weight of a 33. It was definitely a problem on that era jeep. Maybe not so on the JK. That'd be nice, since i'd like to one day run 32's on my YJ, and would love to not worry about the weight on the tire carrier.
Im not saying it's a myth, Im sure people have screwed up their tailgates with oversized spares. What I am saying, is that there are tons of people running around with oversized tires on the stock carrier that has held up fine for years. Its just a matter of securing the tire properly. Do I think it's an optimal solution? Definitely not. Do I think your tailgate will fall apart? Unlikely, provided the tire is properly secured. Just my .02

Pics on forums are misleading. You don't know what the person did, if the story they told is accurate, if they took care of securing the tire, if they monitored the situation, etc.
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In the Teraflex carrier thread someone posted a picture of the stock carrier failing. But you are correct part of the challenge is the wiggle. But even the wait will eventually destroy the welds inside the tailgate and give you rattles, the wiggling just speeds up the process.
Is this a fact? You can't say for 100% certain that it will happen. I got a year and 17k miles on my carrier with 35's. No problems whatsoever.
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Is this a fact? You can't say for 100% certain that it will happen. I got a year and 17k miles on my carrier with 35's. No problems whatsoever.
How many of those 17k miles are offroad on rough trails?
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A few. I'm just saying, people on this forum act like you NEED this and you GOTTA have that. It's simply not true for ALL applications.
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Pics on forums are misleading. You don't know what the person did, if the story they told is accurate, if they took care of securing the tire, if they monitored the situation, etc.
BINGO! That's why these debates are never-ending. It all starts with "I saw it on the internet..." lol

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Is this a fact? You can't say for 100% certain that it will happen. I got a year and 17k miles on my carrier with 35's. No problems whatsoever.
Internet gospel... PREACH!

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How many of those 17k miles are offroad on rough trails?
Ah, a critical thinker!

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A few. I'm just saying, people on this forum act like you NEED this and you GOTTA have that. It's simply not true for ALL applications.
Preach it brother!



I'm kidding, but if there is a conspiracy to this forum, it's got to be manipulated by the vendors selling lift kits & bumper / tire carriers. We "GOTTA" "NEED" "ALL" these mods to death.

I think what is critical here to the OP... ultimately take the views represented and make up your own mind... there are stubborn arguments to be made on both sides. I give Chrysler/Jeep engineers a little more credit than many. I think they're well aware of the most likely modifications that some Jeep owners will do, and engineer accordingly.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:00 PM   #14
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Ran a 35" Trail Grappler on the stock tailgate with no tire bump stops for over a year, about 25k miles. Couple hundred miles on washboard and bad roads, pretty much no wheeling. I could tell the spot welds were stressed but I didn't get a break in the welds until recently. In hindsight I should've kept the spare in the garage and strap it down in the trunk when camping/wheeling. Running a Teraflex hinge now only because I couldn't pass when it was on sale, otherwise it would been strapped in the trunk.

Top weld is completely broken, bottom is cracking.
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It seems a commonality to failure are the bump stops. I wonder how many others whom do have the proper dampner with the stock carrier had failure, and how many stock tailgate issues with no dampner had failures?
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Ran a 35" Trail Grappler on the stock tailgate with no tire bump stops for over a year, about 25k miles. Couple hundred miles on washboard and bad roads, pretty much no wheeling. I could tell the spot welds were stressed but I didn't get a break in the welds until recently. In hindsight I should've kept the spare in the garage and strap it down in the trunk when camping/wheeling. Running a Teraflex hinge now only because I couldn't pass when it was on sale, otherwise it would been strapped in the trunk.

Top weld is completely broken, bottom is cracking.
You were running the heaviest 35" tire produced, with no bump stops, and the welds held for a year. if you had the bump stops, you would have been fine. At least you posted in context and said you didn't have bumpstops, otherwise someone would have just used your photo and said "look what happens when you run a large tire on the tailgate."

For $15, I can't fathom why someone wouldn't run the proper bumpstops.
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I actually bought Daystar bump stops when I got the 35s. The day after I installed them, they were on the ground. The foam they use is super soft so if it's not perfectly centered against the tire, the tip will break off. I was going to look for another solution, but it just slipped my mind. I did install tire bump stops 1-2 months prior to the welds breaking, but the damage was already done. I'm surprised how long it actually held up.

Read people have creaking tailgates/broken spot welds after a couple months with a bigger tire, so I would say it's more of a crapshoot on when, not if you have problems.
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I actually bought Daystar bump stops when I got the 35s. The day after I installed them, they were on the ground. The foam they use is super soft so if it's not perfectly centered against the tire, the tip will break off. I was going to look for another solution, but it just slipped my mind. I did install tire bump stops 1-2 months prior to the welds breaking, but the damage was already done. I'm surprised how long it actually held up.

Read people have creaking tailgates/broken spot welds after a couple months with a bigger tire, so I would say it's more of a crapshoot on when, not if you have problems.
The trick is to have a friend hold em in place while you are getting the tire on, otherwise, you are right, the little nub on the end will rip right off (they are still usable just need to be shoved in between the gate and tire.)
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Bump stops or not the tail gate will eventually show signs of wear when supporting the weight of a heavy tire.
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The trick is to have a friend hold em in place while you are getting the tire on, otherwise, you are right, the little nub on the end will rip right off (they are still usable just need to be shoved in between the gate and tire.)
Yep, I was solo. Trying wrangle the tire while lining up the bumpstops was a pita, only to have them fail the next day.
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Bump stops or not the tail gate will eventually show signs of wear when supporting the weight of a heavy tire.
Like I said, the EVO 10A "Evolander" has been running a 37" Trail Grappler for a long time now, through some serious offroading, and no issues with the stock gate. Now, Im not saying it is the IDEAL thing to do, but properly braced with bumpstops, there should be no issues and I have yet to see a credible failure of the stock gate with proper bumpstops.











So, to reiterate....I would still recommend getting a proper tire carrier, but if you need to run the stock one on the street for a little while, just make sure you have no wiggles and you will be fine.
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^ What flat fenders are those? I just bought this from amazon to use with my trail grappler 315/70/17. I'm trying to get it close to the tailgate an possible. Right now there is about 2in space. Bottom of tire is barely resting on the stock bumper.

Any links on bump stops? I see lots of neg reviews on the day star ones.
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They are the only other bumpstops you can buy. They are made of dense foam and are easy to break off the nipple things. The trick to installing them is having someone else hold them while the tire is put on. If you want, you can buy a piece of radiator hose instead, slip it over the stock units and run that. The fenders on Evolander above are metalcloak. Why did you get that thing from amazon? Seems like it not only puts the tire farther out (creating more leverage which is a bad thing) but also puts the tire higher up, which again, isn't a good thing. What purpose does that thing serve?
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I don't know, I was hoping that it would give me clearance to get the spare up and closer to the tailgate. But I assuming that is a no go.
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I don't see those metal cloak fenders on their site. Do you have a link? Thks.
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Those don't look like Metalcloaks to me, they look like MCE fenders.
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Canceled the amazon order. Thinking about this teraflex option. Sent a PM to teraflex to see if their is any Black Friday discount code.
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I just mounted a 315 on my stock rim (bought the JK with 35's on it) for a spare and it sits on the bumper to prevent jiggle...fits fine...
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Those don't look like Metalcloaks to me, they look like MCE fenders.
My apologies...you are correct. I guess I saw the MC part of it and thought metal-cloak. Just confirmed they are indeed MCE fenders.
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Canceled the amazon order. Thinking about this teraflex option. Sent a PM to teraflex to see if their is any Black Friday discount code.
I put that on my wife's 14 and it works great. Take a look at Quadratec, much less expensive and free shipping.

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