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Old 09-07-2009, 09:03 PM   #31
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I used to run HF Hustler with different resonators on my cars but they only work great once we have good propagation.. Anyway I love the 2m as we have quite some repeaters here in MI and with this Diamond NR22L you can really hit some remote one's..The Comet SBB22 works great here in my QTH area, the NR22L is used once I go up North..

The ARR rear mounts on the spare tire work well for VHF and above.. they are a waste of money for CB and HF..There is NO way you get a good RF ground from that spot..even with braided straps etc...The side ball/spring mount are the way to go..
Once you decide to run Ham HF bands I suggest to make a sturdy mount welded onto the rear hitch mount. (a strip of 3/8" metal will do as a base for the HF antenna mount)


I also have the radios mounted on a ARR radio mount as seen here..

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You got a link to the radio mounts? I'd like to take a closer look.

I agree with you on the spare tire mounts and ground plane issue. The two meter antennae that I have are co-linear and require no ground plane. They work really well on the rear mounts. I wouldn't have cut into the rear quarter of my jeep if I thought I could have put the CB antenna on the rear antenna mounts. For the HF antenna, I'm going to experiment with using the same ball mount as the CB for now. I'll just switch them out depending on if I'm four wheeling or playing radio.

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USAntigoon,

I just figured out that it is the same guy that makes the spare tire mounts that makes the radio mount.

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I just figured out that it is the same guy that makes the spare tire mounts that makes the radio mount.
I like that set up.. I also have a DirtyDog sun screen top and this blocks the direct sun exposure of the radios..
I looked around into the Jeep cabin and couldn't come up with any suitable mount for these two radios..
The 2 meter is an Icom V8000 (5-10-25 75W TX settings) with front speaker, weather alert scan and last but not least auto shutdown as I always forget to turn my radio's off...
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Wow, I thought we were talking high quality CB. I am impressed but those radios are way beyond what I was thinking.
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A couple of questions...

Are the microphone cords any problem dangling?

Antenna wire and power comes up where?

I'm thinking I going to order one of these bad boys. Looks pretty cool.

I also like the idea of the screen up top. I saw someone post that in a thread just yesterday as an alternative to a bikini top. That peaked my curiosity then too.
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A couple of questions...

Are the microphone cords any problem dangling?

Antenna wire and power comes up where?

I'm thinking I going to order one of these bad boys. Looks pretty cool.

I also like the idea of the screen up top. I saw someone post that in a thread just yesterday as an alternative to a bikini top. That peaked my curiosity then too.
1) As you can see I made a special bracket to bring the mike of the Icom to the right of the Uniden..They do not obstruct any forward view.

2) The cross bar mount is a hollow rectangular channel and it contains the 12V feed (you install) I made a connection on top of the A pillar where the door surrounds are, then the feed goes via the A pillar molding to the RH side of the dash board where I go thru the firewall.. Both leads are fused ahead of the battery. Radio's should be direct wired..

3) The antenna leads are taped onto the ARR mount bar and looped inside the roll bar zipped sleeve/jacket to the back..

4) Once you go for this mount get rid of these plastic door surround knobs and use some stainless steel bolts instead.. (forgot the metric size though..)

5) As far as the screen top is concerned I suggest you read up here. If costs are an issue, then go with the SpiderWeb set up..(I prefer the DirtyDog)

Hope this helps.. Enjoy..

p.s I was going to say .. sorry for highjacking this thread, but you are the OP anyway..
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Actually, pretty much all of the posts relate to radio. Much of the ham info applies equally to CB. Take that fab radio mount gizmo for instance. If I hadn't mentioned having difficulty figuring out what to do with my multiple radios, you may not have mentioned the mount. I'd say that is as good a place to mount a CB as any. Anyway, thanks for all of the great information to all who shared. It is what makes WF what it is.
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Wow, I thought we were talking high quality CB. I am impressed but those radios are way beyond what I was thinking.
My CB is a cheap Walmart $35.00 special and the mount with all of the peices parts costs $60.00 add another $60.00 to be able to mount it up top instead of down at the bottom and the whole installation will cost $155.00. Or there abouts. That is not high end.

The ham radio stuff is just fluff that we were bantering ideas back and forth about.

The antenna would probably look pretty cool on a desert/Baja run. Put a small triangular flag up on the top of it and others will be able to see you come over dunes before you get there increasing the safety factor.
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My first serious off roading expedition with a club in the rough back country of New Hampshire last Sunday was a great challenge for me personally and for my jeep as well. Here is what I found out regarding this thread.

When I got the the meet, I was told "you might want to tie that antenna down". Which I did. Anticipating this I had put a nylon string with a loop on the end on the roll bar and led the string out the door seal on the front corner of the passenger side door. The top of the antenna slides into the loop and the antenna stays low. By the end of the trail six hours later, trees and brush had pulled the antenna out of the loop (probably pinstriped my finish on the side of the car too). I had noticed it but left it that way. I have determined that the only time it needs to be tied down is to protect public and private parking garages from the pain of the whip. It is annoying while driving in an enclosed building but not damaging to the vehicle. It could be damaging to the garage parts though. Best to tie it down in that situation. There is no real reason to tie it down on the road or on the trail. I have been driving around and it has been whacking branches at as much as 40 to 50 mph. I expected to see the top of the antenna bent forward after the abuse I put it through. It is still as straight as an arrow. I suspect that the stainless steel whip that I have is a quality one. It is definitely sturdy. It doesn't thin out at the top too much which I think accounts for why it hasn't become bent.

While I was at the meet I did a survey of every vehicle that I saw and the only antenna that I saw was the 4 foot firestick. Everywhere I looked 4 foot firesticks. When I got home, on Tuesday, I went back to the CB shop and purchased a 4 foot firestick. The owner of the store is a personal friend of mine and a fellow ham radio operator. I used to work at his store when I was in my teens (50s now). He actually discouraged me from purchasing the firestick. I told him I wanted to have it in the jeep so that if I needed to I could change it out or even use it just for club outings. We agreed that the firesitck would be OK for local communications between club members but if out in the woods by yourself, the 1/4 wave 102 inch whip is the antenna of choice for long distance communications and preferred in those instances where you may be calling for help. Maybe I'll be a trendsetter on the trail with it but I'm gonna let that thing fly unless I have to change it to the shorter one. The long whip worked super on the trail. I could hear the group for many miles when I left them. My opinion may change over the long haul but right now I'm favoring leaving it as is.
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My first serious off roading expedition with a club in the rough back country of New Hampshire last Sunday was a great challenge for me personally and for my jeep as well. Here is what I found out regarding this thread.

When I got the the meet, I was told "you might want to tie that antenna down". Which I did. Anticipating this I had put a nylon string with a loop on the end on the roll bar and led the string out the door seal on the front corner of the passenger side door. The top of the antenna slides into the loop and the antenna stays low. By the end of the trail six hours later, trees and brush had pulled the antenna out of the loop (probably pinstriped my finish on the side of the car too). I had noticed it but left it that way. I have determined that the only time it needs to be tied down is to protect public and private parking garages from the pain of the whip. It is annoying while driving in an enclosed building but not damaging to the vehicle. It could be damaging to the garage parts though. Best to tie it down in that situation. There is no real reason to tie it down on the road or on the trail. I have been driving around and it has been whacking branches at as much as 40 to 50 mph. I expected to see the top of the antenna bent forward after the abuse I put it through. It is still as straight as an arrow. I suspect that the stainless steel whip that I have is a quality one. It is definitely sturdy. It doesn't thin out at the top too much which I think accounts for why it hasn't become bent.

While I was at the meet I did a survey of every vehicle that I saw and the only antenna that I saw was the 4 foot firestick. Everywhere I looked 4 foot firesticks. When I got home, on Tuesday, I went back to the CB shop and purchased a 4 foot firestick. The owner of the store is a personal friend of mine and a fellow ham radio operator. I used to work at his store when I was in my teens (50s now). He actually discouraged me from purchasing the firestick. I told him I wanted to have it in the jeep so that if I needed to I could change it out or even use it just for club outings. We agreed that the firesitck would be OK for local communications between club members but if out in the woods by yourself, the 1/4 wave 102 inch whip is the antenna of choice for long distance communications and preferred in those instances where you may be calling for help. Maybe I'll be a trendsetter on the trail with it but I'm gonna let that thing fly unless I have to change it to the shorter one. The long whip worked super on the trail. I could hear the group for many miles when I left them. My opinion may change over the long haul but right now I'm favoring leaving it as is.
Good feedback.. If you need to "size" down the 102" CB antenna, try a Wilson 4ft Flex instead.. (much better then the Firestick)
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I used to run HF Hustler with different resonators on my cars but they only work great once we have good propagation.. Anyway I love the 2m as we have quite some repeaters here in MI and with this Diamond NR22L you can really hit some remote one's..The Comet SBB22 works great here in my QTH area, the NR22L is used once I go up North..

The ARR rear mounts on the spare tire work well for VHF and above.. they are a waste of money for CB and HF..There is NO way you get a good RF ground from that spot..even with braided straps etc...The side ball/spring mount are the way to go..
Once you decide to run Ham HF bands I suggest to make a sturdy mount welded onto the rear hitch mount. (a strip of 3/8" metal will do as a base for the HF antenna mount)


I also have the radios mounted on a ARR radio mount as seen here..

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I just ordered the ARR radio mount you have shown in the picture from his ebay store. When I get it installed after delivery, I will post pictures. Thanks for the lead on this.

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Cool install
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No big tires, no big lifts, no fun. Doesn't sound like the club for me. I should start a club for the guys like me. If your kid can't walk under it, make it bigger. If you can't hear it, make it louder. Every meeting will begin and end at the local watering hole. Some days might even stay there. Who's with me?!?!
I hope you enjoy the watering hole. You'll be spending a lot of time there when they shut down the public access trails.
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I added a congo cage cargo rack to the jeep for my kayaks. In the process of doing that, I created a conflict between my antenna mount and the rack. I had to remove the ball mount and I added a pipe mount to the rack. Below is pictures of the before and after of the inside of the fender. I have to do a second post to show the changes to the outside of the jeep.

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These two pictures show the modification made to the outside. I modified the mount by filing it to a slightly larger diameter and used a feed through pl259 barrel connector. The connector on the inside is shown in a picture above and the connector on the outside with a short length of coax can be seen on the outside. The antenna flies again and the looks are something I can live with. The mount point became the feed through and worked out well.

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How good of a SWR do you have..?
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I haven't checked it yet but it does get out. I have to dig my meter out.
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I haven't checked it yet but it does get out. I have to dig my meter out.
Oh yes, if I am not mistaken, you run a 102 inch wip.. If so, this will be more forgiving. I was asking you the SWR question because of the added metal next to the antenna..
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Oh yes, if I am not mistaken, you run a 102 inch wip.. If so, this will be more forgiving. I was asking you the SWR question because of the added metal next to the antenna..
Yes, that is right a 102" whip. I had considered that when I decided on where to mount it. I chose the point just below where the rack bends towards the front of the jeep. So the rack slopes away from the antenna at that point. There will most likely be some effect on the pattern but I'm thinking minimal since the metal of the rack is pretty far away from the antenna by the time that the antenna is above the roof of the vehicle. I have done quite a bit of antenna/pattern research for local repeaters on 2M as the federal license trustee for the major repeater association in the local area to know that there isn't a whole lot of effect on an antenna pattern in close proximity to a steel tower. So this rack should be similar to that type of install.

Time will tell about how the antenna gets out. That is the most important part. When I went on my last wheeling meet, I could still hear the gang 5 miles away from them. That is usually the distance that would need to be covered on that type of outing. With a firestick, I would be lucky to get out more than a mile. Maybe a little more than the firestick with the Wilson fiberglass whip.

Of course when the sunspot reaches peak, all bets are off then.
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I also have the radios mounted on a ARR radio mount as seen here..

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Well, I've been chipping away at this project. Tonight, it was sunny when I got home and I was able to spend some time on my install. The 2007-2010 JKs use the hole that shows below next to the bolt for positioning the hard top. If you have no hard top, the cross bar from ARR would mount there. It can't be left there with the hard top on. The instructions say to drill clear through the roll bar and use the supplied hardware (a bolt that is long enough to bolt through the roll bar) to bolt the cross piece to the roll bar. I didn't want to have the nut sticking down on the bottom side of the roll bar so I modified the instructions a bit. I purchased 8-1.25X20mm which is the same size bolt as the roof fastening hardware along with washers, lockwashers, and a nylon washer (3/8). I drilled the holes 1-3/8" on center offset to the rear of the jeep using a 1/4 inch drill and tapped the hole with 8-1.25mm tap. The radio mounting bar from ARR claims not much torque is necessary on the bolts holding it to the roll bar. I used the nylon washer between the mounting bar and the roll bar to keep the bar from moving and provide a vibration damper to prevent it from vibrating loose. More to come when I actually get the radio(s) in I'll post pics of that.

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Orginally, I thought about mounting the control head for the FT just above the mirror.
After seeing the Arizona mount, I may rethink where and how Im going to mount it.
Probably just mount the Yaesu up there and leave the cb where it is.
Thanks for the alternate mounting idea.
Thats what I like about these forums is the ideas from other Jeepers.
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I got the CB radio installed up on the ARR mounting bar. Pictures from a couple of different angles are below. Note, when I'm not using the CB I wrap the microphone cord around the radio and that keeps it up high.

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