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Old 05-02-2011, 10:32 AM   #1
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1st Quarter Report Highlights and the 2012 Wrangler

http://www.chryslergroupllc.com/en-u...esentation.pdf

The conference call itself should be posted later today to support the above presentation but slides 21 and 23 are both interesting (further confirmation of the Pentastar) and scary (AWD for the automatic).

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Ok , what does that mean "5 speed AWD transmission"? As opposed to our 4 speed "AWD transmission??

Its the same thing right? they are just changing it to a five speed right? Am I reading too much into the wording???lol

Never the less, I think that looks pretty good though. We need a better transmission.

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Old 05-02-2011, 10:46 AM   #3
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That should put to rest the new engine on the 2012...
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I hope they don't do a AWD. That would just be an abomination. But I guess some soccer moms will buy it.
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Just wondering and I apologize if this is a dumb question but does this mean 4Lo is not available?
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Old 05-02-2011, 11:00 AM   #6
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Conference call is up!

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Chrysler Group, LLC - Events & Presentations
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Did I hear correct? 10% gas improvement from the change of power plant in the Wrangler? I was expecting a more significant improvement from the more efficient new engine.
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I did the math a while back against the weight and mpg of the 2011 GC and came up with about +10%.

~2.2 mpg is not stellar but a decent little bump given the brick-like nature.
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ugh, if its awd, i'll keep my 2010 mountian
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AWD has got to be a typo. Did anybody listen to the call to see if that's right? I can't do it at work.

AWD would come right before fully independent front suspensions . . . . Does anyone even know if you can put lockers in an AWD set up?
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Interesting....ok back to the garage.
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just more confusion.


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We here are the exception to the rule. We're the 1%.
How many Jeeps actually ever see any real off-roading, or even get shifted into 4wd on any kind of regular basis?
Chrysler can't be that stupid. I'd be willing to bet the AWD will be an addition to the lineup, for those who don't venture off the pavement much. AWD is plenty functional for light trail riding, which is what most Jeeps will ever see.
I said the same thing when the 2wd model was announced back when. They're catering to the customer, and so long as they don't forget about us and drop the 4wd system, I'll have no problems with the AWD addition. I'd never buy one personally, though. It's like the v6 Mustang/Camaro/Challenger. They sell a ton of those models so they can justify producing the v8 models for the enthusiast. Unless it adversely affects the Jeep as we now know it, I don't really care if they sell an AWD version or not. These fuel mileage regulations are going to cause bigger shake-ups than this, mark my words. If this is how Chrysler helps meet the standard, while being able to offer us a traditional 4wd Jeep, so be it.
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AWD has got to be a typo. Did anybody listen to the call to see if that's right? I can't do it at work.

AWD would come right before fully independent front suspensions . . . . Does anyone even know if you can put lockers in an AWD set up?
The AWD bit is not mentioned in the call whatsoever.

Isn't AWD something determined by the transfer case?
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AWD has got to be a typo. Did anybody listen to the call to see if that's right? I can't do it at work.

AWD would come right before fully independent front suspensions . . . . Does anyone even know if you can put lockers in an AWD set up?
Theoretically I guess you could put a locker in the transfer case.
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Theoretically I guess you could put a locker in the transfer case.
That would actually be pretty cool . . .

LSD in each differential, locker in the transfer case . . . . Hmm . . .
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No no,


AWD is specifically in the t-case to provide full time 4wd. Many jeeps in the past have had this... ZJ's, WJ's... etc

as for lockers no, not in the axles and not in the t-case.

This should be an option just like it was in the older model jeeps. and if you do get one AWD.... you can always swap the t-case (pending they dont' change bolt patterns with new motor)


and your lucky if your LSD in the axles last more than one season without the clutches being worthless.
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as for lockers no, not in the axles and not in the t-case.
Ahh, damn. Well then I'm back to not being interested. Would still be a good replacement for the 2WD though, I think that's a good idea.

Why no lockers, by the way? I'd think there'd be some way to lock everything up in the transfer case, but no?

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and your lucky if your LSD in the axles last more than one season without the clutches being worthless.
Got to go with Detroits aftermarket. As I understand it, TrueTracs don't have a clutch and don't wear out.
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Why no lockers, by the way? I'd think there'd be some way to lock everything up in the transfer case, but no?


If you lock the tcase that means the front wheels and the rear wheels have to run at the same speed all the time. Not a problem until you try to make a turn.


And i'll say again the AWD should only be an option. Not every 2012 Jk will have it, the majority will still probably have the standard tcase.
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If you lock the tcase that means the front wheels and the rear wheels have to run at the same speed all the time. Not a problem until you try to make a turn.
Well right, but I'm thinking about having a selectable locking t-case. It'd be for offroad only, like the Rubi is now. Would that still not work?
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So according to this call the wrangler's gas milage will go from 15/19 to 16.5/21

For me that isn' a huge jump at all. Here is some math...

The current Wrangler
If you drive 10,000 miles and gas is $5 a gallon and you get 15MPG you a spending $3,333 on gas a year.

The Pentastar Wrangler
If you drive 10,000 miles and gas is $5 a gallon and you get 16.5MPG you are spending $3,030 on gas a year

So its a $303 difference. To me that that is nothing over a year.
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...but you are saving $300 or whatever while still running ~85 more horsepower. The economy was never of tremendous interest to me (honestly, if it was, none of us would be in Wranglers to begin with), but the fact we can have that ALONG WITH the added power (that is desperately needed IMHO), is win-win as far as I'm concerned.
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...but you are saving $300 or whatever while still running ~85 more horsepower. The economy was never of tremendous interest to me (honestly, if it was, none of us would be in Wranglers to begin with), but the fact we can have that ALONG WITH the added power (that is desperately needed IMHO), is win-win as far as I'm concerned.
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True, but they didn't say anything on the call so I didn't want to make any assumptions.

Either way I made up my mind. I am getting a 2011
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True, but they didn't say anything on the call so I didn't want to make any assumptions.

Either way I made up my mind. I am getting a 2011
Agree. Glad I have a 2010. Will continue the build, which is really a lot of fun
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[QUOTE=EdJonesJeeper;1215170]If you lock the tcase that means the front wheels and the rear wheels have to run at the same speed all the time. Not a problem until you try to make a turn.
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Huh? That's what happens now in 4wd, that's why you have to have the same gear ratio front and rear.
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Well right, but I'm thinking about having a selectable locking t-case. It'd be for offroad only, like the Rubi is now. Would that still not work?
Yea thats something I've not seen any manufacture make yet. But I guess technology is always evolving.


I would assume that would make for a very weak point in the tcase. I don't know of any zj or wj guys trying to lock them. They just swap them out with np231.
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Yea thats something I've not seen any manufacture make yet. But I guess technology is always evolving.


I would assume that would make for a very weak point in the tcase. I don't know of any zj or wj guys trying to lock them. They just swap them out with np231.
Google autotrac. I think it's clutch-based but you can manually select 4wd or you can use an auto 4wd mode that instantaneously goes into 4wd when it detects slippage.

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