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Old 03-02-2013, 01:38 PM   #1
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2.5 inch lift that does NOT require wheel spacers?

I've been reading through the various lift threads and it seems like all of the lifts require wheel spacers if you are sticking with stock wheels.

Some people think Teraflex kit might not need spacers, but some folks claim it does:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ter...ns-171637.html

Anyone know of a 2.5 inch lift that really doesn't need spacers?

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Old 03-02-2013, 01:46 PM   #2
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If I recall correctly, the reason spacers are needed are because of the way the rear sway links bolts to the the rear sway bar.

The connection point rests comfortably within the empty space on the backside of your wheel--until you raise the frame 2.5", and it's suddenly very close to making contact with your rear tires.

So I don't think it's really brand specific so much as lots of folks just don't bother with the spacers and choose to cut it really close.

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why dont you want spacers? they give the jeep a better look with the stock tires. also IMO i think they look a bit bigger
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If I recall correctly, the reason spacers are needed are because of the way the rear sway links bolts to the the rear sway bar.

The connection point rests comfortably within the empty space on the backside of your wheel--until you raise the frame 2.5", and it's suddenly very close to making contact with your rear tires.

So I don't think it's really brand specific so much as lots of folks just don't bother with the spacers and choose to cut it really close.
Right. Look at the picture in the link you posted and compare the top of the link with your stock setup.
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If you used the stock wheels you will not need spacers. Me and my friend run the Teraflex 2,5" lift without spacers and have no problem. If you mount wider tires on the stock rims you will need spacers.
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If you used the stock wheels you will not need spacers. Me and my friend run the Teraflex 2,5" lift without spacers and have no problem. If you mount wider tires on the stock rims you will need spacers.
Metal cloak doesn't need spacer. In fact when you order their kit it has a drop down option to select if your running more than a 5.5 offset or less this is because if you choose to run your stock wheels they'll send you a spacer for the rear sway bar link.
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Correct... If you use stock wheels, or AEV's, which are stock backspaced, you don't need spacers... Brand of lift is irrelevant... more so, the brand of wheel.
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Here is the deal:

If your lift kit has extended rear swaybar links they will rub the tires if you run stock rims without spacers and mount the swaybar links in the factory position.

However, you can mount the swaybar links inboard and run factory rims without spacers.
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Right, if you get sway bar links that are the correct length and put them in the stock position and the heads are the same size as stock then they will rub on stock wheels with a 2.5Ē lift. If you donít want them to rub you have to make some kind of change - mount them differently, get smaller links, get thinner links, get spacers, get the correct backspacing, etc.
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Correct... If you use stock wheels, or AEV's, which are stock backspaced, you don't need spacers... Brand of lift is irrelevant... more so, the brand of wheel.
AEV wheels aren't stock backspaced. AEV is between 4.75 and 5.2 depending on model. Stock is 6.25.
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If you used the stock wheels you will not need spacers. Me and my friend run the Teraflex 2,5" lift without spacers and have no problem. If you mount wider tires on the stock rims you will need spacers.

What about when you air down? The TF kits comes with a warning about needing spacers.
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Regardless of whether or not it's needed wouldn't the wider stance help with stability?
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Regardless of whether or not it's needed wouldn't the wider stance help with stability?
Sure . . . but a spacer on each side only amounts to 3", so it's not like the thing suddenly becomes untippable or anything. But yes.
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Installed Rock Krawler Stock Mod yesterday, running with my stock wheels/tires until the new set comes in next week.
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What about when you air down? The TF kits comes with a warning about needing spacers.
Correct, however the new rear links can be mounted inboard. I have installed 4 sets of TF rear swaybar links this way in order to run them with stock wheels until new wheels were purchased.
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I just went through a discussion about this elsewhere - in the end I wrote to Teraflex. They confirmed that you need less backspacing with their 2.5" lift because the new swaybar links in the rear can (will?) rub the stock wheels. However, there are also some who have been using this lift with stock wheels without problems. So, officially, Teraflex says don't do it. However, it sounds like you can get away with it in some circumstances.

edit: picture in the link to the other thread really clarifies the problem.

Is reversing the links entirely without problems? Usually, it seems like one change leads to something else that needs to be changed, etc., etc. Not criticizing - just wondering and asking for opinions from experience. Thanks.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:15 AM   #17
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Thanks for all the responses!

My main reason for asking about the spacers is just $$s. I saw that I could get the Teraflex lift for 2.5 inch for $500 but then realized I would need $200 worth of wheel spacers.

Here is the picture from the other thread:


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1000's of folks run the high quality Spydertrax spacers and love them. Super great quality and there has been millions of miles that have been recorded in off road conditions using them. When you are finished with them.......just sell them like everyone else. Now Party On!
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When Teraflex installed my 2.5" coil lift they put the swaybar links inboard and nowhere close to rubbing.
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Can inboard sway bar links, 2.5" lift, and stock wheels and 35" duratracs work without spacers?
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:13 AM   #21
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but getting a lift/wheels/tires -2/3 deposit made.. In two weeks.

If I can run stock wheels AND not need spacers (I.e tire under fenders and remain PA motor vehicle code compliant) I'd be saving money (which I'd spend on gussets and axles) and staying legal without bushwhackers..

35"s...stock wheels...2.5"lift...Inboard sway bar links...No spacers...think it'll work?
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Only with stock WIDTH tires, maybe and I think with 35s you need to trim the pinch seams and if a Rubicon, trim the stock sliders
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...Is reversing the links entirely without problems? Usually, it seems like one change leads to something else that needs to be changed, etc., etc. Not criticizing - just wondering and asking for opinions from experience. Thanks.
Yes, it can cause problems. You do gain some clearance between the sway bar and the wheel, but you lose clearance between the sway bar and the break line. I've seen pictures of bent brake lines...

Also, your sway bar link may not fit in the lower bracket properly to swing as needed (they may have drilled the hole for the bracket off a little). My link would not fit in the inside of the lower bracket without rubbing.

I've see pictures where some put the link in lower bracket on the outside and the upper on the inside. Iím not sure how that works out.

To do it properly I think you need spacers or wheels with the correct backspacing.
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Only with stock WIDTH tires, maybe and I think with 35s you need to trim the pinch seams and if a Rubicon, trim the stock sliders
Hmmm.. Will the pinch seam need trimmed with 2.5" lift, and 4.5" spacing rugged ridge wheels?
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Hmmm.. Will the pinch seam need trimmed with 2.5" lift, and 4.5" spacing rugged ridge wheels?
For 35" tires, yes. Backspacing got nothing to do with the pinch seam.
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If you're running stock control arms, you won't need to trim the pinch seam with 35" tires. If you have shorter than stock aftermarket lower control arms/drive shaft...maybe...depending on tire brand. Normally stepping up to 37s require trimming.

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