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Old 05-11-2013, 10:03 AM   #31
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Wait ... The RK shock is shaft up?

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Old 05-12-2013, 03:53 AM   #32
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Look at the Pic HK just Posted above.

Look at the Shock in the Front Wheel Well. From here, it looks like it barely has an Inch of Up-Travel.
I just see remnants of the shock body, shaft should be at the axle side.

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Save the that pic to your pc and zoom in. Its ok.
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I just see remnants of the shock body, shaft should be at the axle side.
That's what im saying and why I asked.
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I just see remnants of the shock body, shaft should be at the axle side.
Ah ok, so they Mount "Upside Down".

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Ah ok, so they Mount "Upside Down".

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Old 05-12-2013, 02:15 PM   #38
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If it still rides bad when you get it back put your old Rubicon shocks on and go for a drive. They are tot short but will be fine on the road. This will at least rule out the shocks as being the issue.
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Those springs have (especially front) really lifted the Jeep. I'm afraid the Rubi shocks would be pulled apart. The front is around 4.5 inches taller. Anyway, they revalved the shocks and the ride is better. Cutting the control arms brought the axle forward a bit too. So I need to give the shocks a week to break in, but the ride and handling has improved. I will give it a week or two, take it offroad in the meantime, put some miles on the suspension, and then see how it feels. They put new lower internals in the shocks so they need some miles. The Jeep does sit a bit lower on the right by an inch, but that may be normal. I'll measure again on level ground tomorrow. I am running 25/26 psi in the tires and will play around with the pressure but I need to find some chalk first.
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Have someone ride in it who has experience with lifted JKs and get their reaction to the ride and handling quality. Don't take the word of the lift installer, he is biased.
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Great tip. So I did have a Jeeper drive it. He has a 2-door with an AEV kit. His rides much better than mine, and he was pretty unimpressed with my kit. Even with my softer/revalved shocks, it was much harsher than his AEV with Bilstein 5100. The shocks seem firmer but his springs feel more compliant . So today, I took it to the most reputable (and expensive) shop in the Denver area.

One ride and they said it may be one of the roughest-riding JKs they have driven. Hah- it even has TJ-level valving in the shocks now! It rides "softer" than before. On the way back, we hit a rough turn at 20 MPH and the Jeep shook like it was rattling things loose and lost all composure. It was fine on smooth roads but progressively worse as things got rougher. He even asked if I was "sent the wrong springs" by mistake.

So then we got back and they recommended switching the springs for Synergy springs first. They said it is probably not the shocks which felt like "damping was off" (but were definitely soft enough), but it was very likely the springs. The springs felt super harsh to them. There is some bump steer too and the trackbar has no inner adjustment left, so I may have to reuse the stock trackbar. Same with front control arms, so I had to go with 3" lift Synergy springs- not 2". Using 2" (netting 2.5) may create a snowball effect of front control arms being too long and not being able to adjust in.

RK said that I picked the wrong kit and that the X Factor is for 37"+ tires. Not that the installer did not know about this- I asked him about tire/wheel choices and told him 35s were it. Got charged more labor by installer and shipping cost back and forth for shocks from RK. I rarely argue about money.

Will get this done on the 30th and am keeping my fingers crossed. They did not want to change anything else just yet...a good sign. So a simple Synergy spring swap, along with a potential trackbar change, is the goal for now. That will be my cheapest option. The alternative is to sell this RK stuff to someone using 37s and maybe a 4-door, and go with Synergy everything...or Metalcloak everything. This has been such an expensive, disappointing, and frustrating experience. It has soured me to a few things/companies, but am trying to stay positive, throw more money at it the right way now, and hope for the best. The truly sad thing is that my stock JKR was far superior on road and offroad. I hope to reverse that soon.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:52 PM   #42
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At first I was a bit disappointed with the ride but after some miles on and off road the ride is much softer now. I do like it now.
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Yeah, it was (and is) actually not bad driving on smooth highways. I-25 and then 470 west are great highways, as are the roads where I live. I live right off the highway. As soon as I hit the inner city roads, the reality changed along with the quality of the roads. The softer shocks make the ride decent on smooth roads but they are not the problem.

So, anything else you would like to quote?
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Dam dude.

I find this interesting because I am dealing with the same thing. My next move was front upper/rear CA's but, I really don't want to spend more $$$ until this gets fixed.

So you have all 8 CA's, wheel base back in check and caster is good. Still having issues ?

Crazy... Funny because the only other JK I've driven was SUEBY's AEV 3.5 and no comparison.

Which brings us to the coils. No secret these coils are not 2 door friendly. I know a guy who transferred his RK coils from his 4 door to his 2 door. He sold them because of the ride .... It sucked.

I am running FOX 2.0's. I can't say the ride is harsh because its not. I think the shocks perform well. Stiffer but not my issue. They actually perform better then my Rancho 9000's.

The jeep is all over the place. Steering is tight though. Doesn't really wander just mini DW's I'd like to call them All speeds ... Almost un drivable at highway speeds.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:22 PM   #45
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I was told for a 3.5 lift use 3" front and 2" rear for the coils .... You ?

I can't wait to see the outcome of this. It will only prove the coils are not rated for a 2 door. Worse a light 2 door.

Little strange they said the kit you got is for 37's because nothing really changes ... The coils are the same ?
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Box up that lift and demand they send it back. There are plenty really good lifts out there, AEV, Metalcloak, Teraflex to name a few. Don't mess around with band aids on a lift that just is not refined. I have no clue where the manufacturer of your lift excels but maybe it's just not Jeeps.
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Sorry for not being more clear- they (RK) were referring to the control arms being more for a 37 setup. With 35s, they apparently recommend the Flex kit.

Yeah, I ordered the Synergy coils already. I can't stand the ride when things get rough...will stick to smooth roads as much as possible. I want this other shop to do the work and check everything out. They are the best in town and I just need to pay their rates to make sure everything works right after the spring swap.

So with Synergy- I am just using the 3" coils front and back since I don't mind the rake...I hope the rake is not much worse that factory though. I was told it would be the same or close to the factory rake. I don't mind that. I don't need it perfectly level, and I cannot stand the front-up look I got from the RK springs. In fact, I put a 3/4" rear spacer to level it out.
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There's nothing wrong with RK. I just think the coils are rated for a 4 door. Even a 2 door loaded up.

Meh... I don't by the control arm thing. If setup right, any lifted jeep would benefit with more wheelbase. Back to stock or in your case 1" stretch in the rear. That in no way will cause a bad ride.
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CA's don't have anything to do with tire size. The higher the lift they become important to set pinion/caster/wheel base.

The flex kit only sets pinion/caster in front. The rears won't do nothing for pinion because they[lowers only]would have to be shorter to raise the pinion. That's where uppers come into play.

Keep the 8 arms setup. Especially at your lift height.
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This is why I decided against RK. not that I didn't like them, just didn't want a coil set that wasn't specifically for a 2 door.
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Stating a lift is for 37" tires and not 35" when there is clearance for both is just plain silly. Two door vs four door springs also make little difference. What is the weight difference, 200 or 400 lbs? I have likely added 1,000 lbs to my 2dr and don't feel the need to run out and swap springs.
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Stating a lift is for 37" tires and not 35" when there is clearance for both is just plain silly. Two door vs four door springs also make little difference. What is the weight difference, 200 or 400 lbs? I have likely added 1,000 lbs to my 2dr and don't feel the need to run out and swap springs.
Most manufactures state 1" more with a 2 door?

If the coils are rated higher 500 lbs would make a big difference IMO. This would be more a weight thing and not so much 2 door/4 door.

I don't know if this will make sense but.... With a 2 door, a stiffer coil will have less time to absorb the road with a shorter wheelbase.
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..........wow, had my heart set on the RK 2.5 X lift and was going to order it and shocks this weekend.....what to do, what to do... On a serious note wtf, get the lift but tell them to keep the springs......
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..........wow, had my heart set on the RK 2.5 X lift and was going to order it and shocks this weekend.....what to do, what to do... On a serious note wtf, get the lift but tell them to keep the springs......
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I thought RK lifts were the bomb diggity?
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I thought RK lifts were the bomb diggity?
Me too. That's why after a lot of research I have them. I will refrain from driving any other lifted JK's for I don't want to regret my choice.
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In my hasty search, the kit that contains upper and lower LCA's, a tad steeper than RK X factor. %^$#@, thought I had this "phase" figured out.


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In my hasty search, the kit that contains upper and lower LCA's, a tad steeper than RK X factor. %^$#@, thought I had this "phase" figured out.

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This problem must be a 2dr thing......

My loaded down 4dr drives like a caddy on the asphalt trails.

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