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Old 05-14-2013, 07:27 PM   #61
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This problem must be a 2dr thing......

My loaded down 4dr drives like a caddy on the asphalt trails.
Yes, I believe it is a 2 door thing. The short wheel base definitely gives you a little bit of a bunny hop feel.

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This problem must be a 2dr thing......

My loaded down 4dr drives like a caddy on the asphalt trails.
I assume your running a 2.5 RK lift...?

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Knowing nothing about these RK lifts can they really be that much cheaper than the mainstream brands to make it worth it? I've had several AEV and Teraflex kits and thought I really got EXACTLY what I paid for.
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What do you mean? RK is a reputable company.

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I assume your running a 2.5 RK lift...?
2.5 flex added rear lower controls, rear track, rear sway, rear b.lines. My only complaint would be the rear spring sag. But I knew that going into it with all the extra weight I have. 3/4 spacer worked perfect. Live the lift and the ride on-road even more.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:11 PM   #66
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What do you mean? RK is a reputable company.

Thinking RC (rough country) ?
I know nothing about RK, if they are indeed a reputable company they should be all over this guys issue, yesterday. He shouldn't need to be swapping other manufacturers springs and having shocks revalved. At the very least the dealer should be all over this issue sorting it out and raising heck with RK or boxing it up and going in a different direction. Good grief, they even charged him shipping both directions to try and sort out a shock issue? Wow, that's really bad, by both the dealer and RK.
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So in my case, there are two possible culprits- the springs or the control arms. Shop (times two- one in Denver and one in Moab) noted that the control arms and trackbar were adjusted in as much as possible, with no adjustability remaining. While I know what that means, I am not sure if and how that affects the lift and ride. I understand the trackbar to a degree, but not the control arms.
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I went for RK because the dealer said he was good friends with the owner and that if anything went wrong, RK would stand behind their product. I paid for shipping both ways and labor to reinstall the shocks and cut the control arms and reinstall them. He tried to get RK, at one point, to take back the kit. Even though he is apparently an old friend, RK (the owner) refused and have said that "ride quality is subjective" more than once. The owner told me that too...more than once. Never mind that anyone who drives my JK says it rides like crap and feels uncontrolled on rough roads and corners. So I paid almost $2,000 for the kit, $700 for the shocks, $600-$700 labor, $70 shipping, another $300 labor to reinstall the shocks/control arms.etc., out of the Jeep for two weeks, and here I am. In my company, this would never happen. If it did, we would lose future customers and profits- exponentially more than the profit made from the one we refused to help.
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If the dealer agrees there's an issue. They should be the ones giving you a refund.
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He only deals in RK and while he agreed that it rode like crap, he (and his wife who called them) were also taken aback with the RK's refusal to even entertain a return. I even offered to accept any reasonable restocking fee (even 20%-25% would be fine) for the two-week old kit. So now he really does not comment much on the ride and just did what RK asked him to do. It is very hard to reach him most of the time. Work has been crazy for me, including weekends, so it is even worse since I can only chase all this down during the week's workday.
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Is this a long arm kit ur talking about
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He only deals in RK and while he agreed that it rode like crap, he (and his wife who called them) were also taken aback with the RK's refusal to even entertain a return. I even offered to accept any reasonable restocking fee (even 20%-25% would be fine) for the two-week old kit. So now he really does not comment much on the ride and just did what RK asked him to do. It is very hard to reach him most of the time. Work has been crazy for me, including weekends, so it is even worse since I can only chase all this down during the week's workday.
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Sorry you're going through this bud.
Agreed..... I'm absolutely floored. I feel like I should apologize in guilt for being so happy w/ my RK lift.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the kind words...I truly do. It is more than I have received from anyone in this whole process.

It is the 2.5 X-factor kit I bought.
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Not criticizing or second guessing but I guess this is a reason I decided to do my lift in stages. So if any one thing goes awry, I can sort of easily back out of it.

I did shocks first and they're good. Adjustable track bar today, all is well. Coils going in tomorrow. If all is well after that ill move on to other components. Will likely cost me more in the end as opposed to buying a "full" kit but this makes me more comfortable.
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You are doing it the safest way possible. Mine may be a rather rare occurrence too, so don't instantly judge all of RK's kits based on this . It's just that drawing the final curtain by saying my experience "is atypical" and "ride quality is subjective" and that "You have to pay for trial and error parts wise and installation wise" is not what I was remotely expecting from the owner of a company like Rock Krawler.
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U probably already said but what year tj r u working on
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Your dealer is the real dog in this situation. He should stand behind his customer and instead is standing behind his budy RK. You need to out this dirty dog so everyone here knows to stay far away. RK is also to blame here, they should be steering you to a different dealer and paying this new dealer to sort this issue out. Sorry but you have found TWO dogs here and there is little recourse for you at this point. I would be on the phone with RK and see how THEY want to sort out their lift kit.

Having a couple more friends who drive lifted JKs drive/ride the Jeep might be helpful too. They could confirm the crappy ride and road maners.
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What do you mean? RK is a reputable company.

Thinking RC (rough country) ?
i have the RC 3.5 series 2 lift. i have had none of the issues he has had mine rides as well as stock maybe better on rough roads. i did add the adjustable track bar. I truly hate the jk runner is having issues with his lift if i would have had the coin i would have ordered the x factor if i were him i would give Jason at crawl off road a call and get advice from him.
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I ran Rough Country on my TJ, and I hate to say it, the ride was a bit stiff, but I always had good customer service with them. I know RK is popular, but what the dealer, installer, and RK has done here is just crap.

Surely there has to be someone else with the same lift kit on their Jeep around your area to compare the two? Or another installer that knows more?
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Sorry to hear about the problems you're having, but thankful you were willing to share them with us. I've been giving serious consideration to putting the RK 2.5 on my JKUR, but based on your experience, I think I might be better off going with the AEV 2.5 or the TF 3.0.

Hopefully Lady Luck will smile on you and this problem will get resolved.
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Control arms shouldn't be off that much now... if they are, your axle should be adjusted. The front should be adjusted so that your caster is near correct while maintaining an acceptable pinion angle. With both arms this should be attainable while also setting a great wheelbase. The rear should be set by pinion angle. Because of your lift, the steering geometry, link/suspension geometry (arms, angle of shocks and springs) is off. Shocks work maximally when operating in the same direction as the force. I imagine if you rewelded the coil perches and shock tabs to get some of that geometry back, and adjusted the link mounts some you could get a lot of ride back. Stiff springs shouldn't make the ride rough neccessarily, but maybe bouncy/stiff. Shocks would have a lot to do with your ride. Have you measured your shocks for uptravel/downtravel yet? anything abnormal?

You mentioned you aired down to 26/27 psi. That should be your on road pressure. Offroad you want to be 10-12. That would have made a huge difference in how comfortable your ride is.

After they swap your springs try airing your tires down further and see how it feels
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I can tolerate only so much. When safety becomes a concern, there's is a problem.
As soon as people hear "jeep" and "lift" their first comment is "it's a jeep what do you expect"

Well $3000-$5000 the jeep should handle well and be safe to drive. If its not, there is a obvious problem. Some people fail to understand this
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:53 AM   #84
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I'm really kinda surprised RK handled things this way. I believe they make some good stuff but I wouldn't stand for customer service like that. No way.
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From RK's point of view they probably feel that there is nothing wrong with the kit. The ride is subjective. What you might feel is a harsh ride, they might feel is stable and comfortable.

What I do take issue with, when it comes to RK, is the lack of properly informing customers in terms of what to expect and more importantly what they'll need. Very often people are forced into buying additional control arms AFTER the install to correct a caster issue due to an over estimated lift. That's RK's fault. The same goes with the lack of exhaust spacers for 2012+ Jeeps. This in large part stems from the fact that they continue to say that they're 2.5" kit doesn't yeild more than 3" on a an otherwise stock Jeep, despite the fact that everyone else has proven that to be wrong and in most cases gain over 4". Its even more sever on a 2 door.

If you don't take it upon yourself to do the homework or have an experienced and honest installer, all of a sudden your left with a poor riding Jeep after spending over $1k. Its unfortunate but a reality when it comes to most of these companies but especially with RK. Business for them is booming at the moment so this type of thing isn't even on their radar or even a concern to address, unfortunately.
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After reading this thread one has to really consider if going RK is the right choice for lift. There stuff might be top notch, but if you don't have the customer service to back it up is it actually worth it?.....
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Actually, his intent was not to bash RK. The OP was having issues with the lift, not so much with the company itself. Any further issues with RK should not be discussed in this thread. That's between him and RK.
The thread was helpful so please, do not turn this into a bashing thread or it will have to be removed/closed.
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I asked an RK seller (that I won't name) about my hearing the lift on a 2 door would yield much more than expected. They said that wouldn't happen. That's where I decided against RK.

Not knocking their quality but they seemed to have blinders on in regards to what would happen if I installed the lift.

And it seemed like every other conversation I had they ended up saying "oh, you'll also need {some other expensive part}".
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I agree with kjeeper. After all we have one side of a story here. For anyone to make a decision based on this one experience is ridiculous. If you were to read posts on how bad jeep handles their customers and how many parts fail none of us would own one. I went with RK, talked with AJ @ Jeepbeach and haven't had one problem with ride or customer service. They always answered the phone and gave me stellar advice when doing my own install. I feel for anyone who has problems like this thread but as intelligent people we should wait to judge an entire company until we have all sides of the story. Of course this is mearly my opinion.
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I have said my piece about my interactions and none of it was fabrication. I thought it would be very helpful to document the progress on the forum so others can make more informed decisions. I know I wish I had known some of this before, and this is what the forum is for. I will post my future changes and their impact on the ride quality. I am either going to just change the springs and maybe the trackbar, or there is a chance (here goes another $3k-$4k) I may switch everything to another setup. I'd do it in pieces but I am not sure if it is the springs or the control arms. Since two reputable installers have mentioned that it was quite odd that the control arms were adjusted all the way in with no adjustment left, it makes me wonder about that too. In fact, the guy in Moab told me he was sure I was sent the wrong control arms, and that I'd be better off with the stock control arms. This guy is an older guy who has worked on almost all the rental Jeeps for years, according to a rental Jeep company that recommended his shop. Another shop I used was Moab 4x4 Outpost. They thought that the shock Nitrogen was too high and took it down to 75 psi and then 50 psi the next day (originally 100 psi) to help (it didn't help).

I will have one final talk with RK and the installer (who is not blameless here) today, and then decide what needs to be done next but I am at the end of my rope with this. My GF and I used to offroad every weekend. She hates getting in the Jeep now since she is basically flung around in the seat as soon as we hit rough stuff, and I need to fix this ASAP. I do have an appointment with that reputable (and silly expensive) shop on May 30. Things will start to change for the better at that point, and I will likely call this the most expensive mistake I ever made. I'll post back since I think this will be a very interesting experiment. I will not bash anyone.

Thanks again for commenting and advising...that is what makes this forum so useful, helpful, and fun. Not fun for me (actually incredibly stressful) at this point, but it will soon all be okay and I will be wheeling in Telluride-Ouray in July, Marble, Aspen, and Crested Butte in August, and Moab in September.

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