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Old 07-15-2013, 10:12 AM   #301
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I still will happily challenge any JK driver to fit as much bacon inside their 2dr as I can in my 4dr. I will always be able to carry more bacon. Doesn't that mean the JKU wins this fight??

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Old 07-15-2013, 10:15 AM   #302
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I still will happily challenge any JK driver to fit as much bacon inside their 2dr as I can in my 4dr. I will always be able to carry more bacon. Doesn't that mean the JKU wins this fight??
2 doors like to throw their bacon onto 4 door owners because they can't carry their own bacon. They are always annoying 4 door owners with their bacon or they carry it on a separate trailer that looks like crap and have to leave it somewhere else when wheeling, annoying somebody else to watch over the trailer that has their bacon.

Pretty rough bacon.

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If your not concerned about appearance and have a large family, then the 4 DR is a perfect fit, because you can haul your family, and or camping gear either in town, or off road. It is great that they offer the 4 DR for these reasons.

Now, if you are into very serious rock crawling, and want to be able to maneuver through some very tight areas, well there is only one that will get the job done every time! It is the 2 DR Rubicon!!!!!!!!!!! And besides performance, they looks great!

I am not bashing either, but rather complementing, as too what their benefits/pluses are!

So the bottom line, what takes priority in your family needs, hauling the Bacon as too what some of you refer, or appearance, plus the best performance available!
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If your not concerned about appearance and have a large family, then the 4 DR is a perfect fit, because you can haul your family, and or camping gear either in town, or off road. It is great that they offer the 4 DR for these reasons.

Now, if you are into very serious rock crawling, and want to be able to maneuver through some very tight areas, well there is only one that will get the job done every time! It is the 2 DR Rubicon!!!!!!!!!!! And besides performance, they looks great!

I am not bashing either, but rather complementing, as too what their benefits/pluses are!

So the bottom line, what takes priority in your family needs, hauling the Bacon as too what some of you refer, or appearance, plus the best performance available!
Not even family, but friends. I like friends, I like wheeling/trailing/beaching with friends. Space is not only for family, friendly people like friends
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If your not concerned about appearance and have a large family, then the 4 DR is a perfect fit, because you can haul your family, and or camping gear either in town, or off road. It is great that they offer the 4 DR for these reasons.

Now, if you are into very serious rock crawling, and want to be able to maneuver through some very tight areas, well there is only one that will get the job done every time! It is the 2 DR Rubicon!!!!!!!!!!! And besides performance, they looks great!

I am not bashing either, but rather complementing, as too what their benefits/pluses are!

So the bottom line, what takes priority in your family needs, hauling the Bacon as too what some of you refer, or appearance, plus the best performance available!
That's all fine and dandy as long as there are no tall ledges or steep hills with ledges involved. There are lines that 2 doors can do that 4 doors can't and there are lines that 4 doors can do that 2 doors can't. There has been a lot of times I have tossed a line to well built 2 doors after I walked right up something and they couldn't do it and then there has been times they have tossed lines to me because I turtled up. Saying you have the best performing rig because it can do a line another can't just shows a lack of knowledge.
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I agree on the short wheel base does come in handle while doing climbs and other obstacles but the longet wheelbase creates a nicer drive so to each their own, I have had 6 2 doors and 2 4dorrs and guess what, THEY ARE BOTH JEEPS!
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Saying you have the best performing rig because it can do a line another can't just shows a lack of knowledge.
I won't lower myself, and try to tell other members that they have a lack of knowledge, but rather I will respect, that they are entitled to their opinion, based on their past experience.
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By saying "there is only one" you have all ready lowered yourself.

Let me rephrase then, it just shows closed mindedness. Because that has to be the only way you can say something can allways come out on top. To eather be narrow minded or uninformed. Not picking a fight. Just calling it as I see it.

But I bet you are right we might have two totally different types of experiences around jeeps and wheeling. Lots of people don't understand the benefits of wheelbase, and not all wheeling involves turning on a dime.

Diffrent setups are better at different things and different situations. There is no true best set up.
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Let me rephrase then, it just shows closed mindedness. Because that has to be the only way you can say something can allways come out on top. To eather be narrow minded or uninformed. Not picking a fight. Just calling it as I see it.
My Philosophy on Forums, is and has always been to respect other members opinions, weather I agree with them or not. I refuse to get into a fight, and or name calling, or cut somebody down and try to make them feel foolish, because it serves no purpose and is against the Forum guidelines.
If I feel that someone has a valid point, then I will learn from it. If not, then it goes in file thirteen.

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My Philosophy on Forums, is and has always been to respect other members opinions, weather I agree with them or not. I refuse to get into a fight, and or name calling, or cut somebody down and try to make them feel foolish, because it serves no purpose and is against the Forum guidelines.
If I feel that someone has a valid point, then I will learn from it. If not, then it goes in file thirteen.

So let's at least agree on having a great day!
Fine for me. I just like to give people a hard time when they make statements like you made and think it is funny that people don't like it when some one calls them out on it. And besides this thread stoped being usefull a looong time ago. I wonder why it is still around?
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If your not concerned about appearance and have a large family, then the 4 DR is a perfect fit, because you can haul your family, and or camping gear either in town, or off road. It is great that they offer the 4 DR for these reasons.

Now, if you are into very serious rock crawling, and want to be able to maneuver through some very tight areas, well there is only one that will get the job done every time! It is the 2 DR Rubicon!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Miser since you did feel experienced enough to speek up and make this clame in this thread please explain why the 2 door is the only one for "very serious rock crawling". As you have seen making a statement like this and not giving any reasons for it might make people believe you are just saying it to say what you drive is the best.
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Hey Miser since you did feel experienced enough to speek up and make this clame in this thread please explain why the 2 door is the only one for "very serious rock crawling". As you have seen making a statement like this and not giving any reasons for it might make people believe you are just saying it to say what you drive is the best.
Notice where he says very tight areas.
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So you can't go threw tight spots with a 4 door?
I have watched guys in front of me in two doors work threw spots (especially on the hammers at Johnson Vally) and think to myself that there is no way I was going to be able to get threw. Mine and the other 4 doors bang our way threw these spots just like the 2 doors do.
If fitting threw tight spots is the only measure of what makes an off-road vehicle then people would be shortening wheelbase instead of stretching them.

My whole point is there are spots that a 2 door has a leg up and there are spots that a 4 door comes out on top. I guess if you only do one kind of wheeling and only run one kind of trail with only one line in it then you can say that one is better then the other. Heck I guess my logic must be flawed though because apparently you are supposed to try and convenience people that whatever you like the best is the only true offroader.
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Heck I guess my logic must be flawed though because apparently you are supposed to try and convenience people that whatever you like the best is the only true offroader.
I didn't see Miser trying to convince anybody! What he so stated was a opinion based on his experience, so what is wrong with that?
We Members of this Forum can either except what we read as fact, or garbage and move on! Trying to pressure him to explain his logic to all of us is ridiculous, he doesn't have to explain anything, IT'S JUST HIS OPINION!!!!!!!!!!
What don't you understand about that?
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So you can't go threw tight spots with a 4 door?
I have watched guys in front of me in two doors work threw spots (especially on the hammers at Johnson Vally) and think to myself that there is no way I was going to be able to get threw. Mine and the other 4 doors bang our way threw these spots just like the 2 doors do.
If fitting threw tight spots is the only measure of what makes an off-road vehicle then people would be shortening wheelbase instead of stretching them.

My whole point is there are spots that a 2 door has a leg up and there are spots that a 4 door comes out on top. I guess if you only do one kind of wheeling and only run one kind of trail with only one line in it then you can say that one is better then the other. Heck I guess my logic must be flawed though because apparently you are supposed to try and convenience people that whatever you like the best is the only true offroader.

Your stress level must be through the roof. I was pointing out what the guy was saying. And yes a two door has a much less turning radius than a 4 door. And yes, you are correct, each jeep has its advantages and disadvantages. You are quick to jump on anyone who says anything good about a 2 door that you don't agree with, but you are nowhere to be found when someone says some dumb crap about a 4 door.
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Actually I live pretty stress free. I am just killing time. I haven't said anything to anyone making silly clames about 4 doors is because if you haven't noticed there hasn't been any along the lines of if you want to go camping with the family get a 4 door if you want to wheel get a 2 door, like this thread and other threads are so full of.

I keep waiting on someone to get tired of me giving them a hard time for making statements like this and actually posting a good reply as to why a 2 door is the only jeep that can be wheeled. If someone makes clames like this about 4 doors I will also give them a hard time.
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I actually think the four door looks better. But that is just my opinion. And I have had both. But who cares. Buy what you like.
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I'll answer the 2dr is better in the rocks....unless a 4dr is on d60s and 40" tires it drags it belly on EVERYTHING....that's one of the main reasons I sold it.....

So from experience they both are capable and I have had them in both situations from what they rule and what poses a issue....and they both have weakness and strength....

Like watch this we wheel HARD...
Yes hammers, lower 13, superstition, bronco connector and several other spots and always take the extra credit lines....scott is my partner in crime and gets more time without family and kids so he's always out at hammers, Rubicon...so experience I don't lack I come from a desert racing background and fabbing .....so we break we fix better and wheel again till the next item goes belly up....

If you are basing the rig strictly on capability then if you run nasty rocks, wild lines and are the kind of guy who knows its not if but when he's gonna flip it then 2dr......
-4dr on Dana 60s and 40" tires will do well but has a LOW belly with a long wheelbase but is extremely capable and this partially overcomes its weakness.....

If you like exploring, large rock faces waterfalls, ledges, family going with , a better ride and stability then 4dr all the way....
-2dr can overcome this with a 8" rear 2" front stretch putting it at a 106" wb and this is prime with 37" tires for belly clearance...

With that said a lot of time and money in either to accommodate the weakness or pick what's best for your use....

Personally if I wasn't into rocks and nasty stuff I'd be back in a 4dr because aside of rock crawling and nasty stuff the 4dr has it beat in almost every other arena....

They are both wide and will handle a 4" lift with great stability for off camber and I run a wider back spacing to get close to full width axles....

4doors are cooler, they command more attention, very capable, drive very stable and comfortable, steering isn't twitchy, room for gear, and people, li,e a Lego they are totally customisable....

I am stretching my 2dr for wheelbase and going 39-40" tires soon enough, mine is purpose built and will be doing my cage in it soon....so I love the 2dr as well....

They are both real keeps and more capable than most people will ever take em....


And for reference on why wheelbase, belly clearance etc go to pirate and get a good read.....short wheelbase has its issues as well.....I know why first hand and when I sold the 4door I was going to buy an buggy and trailer it but decided to go back to a 2dr and give it a shot....2nd trip out found its weakness and almost flipped...so stretch and mod if still unhappy I'll be building a buggy next....

(For the record I like the looks of the 4dr better)
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I didn't see Miser trying to convince anybody! What he so stated was a opinion based on his experience, so what is wrong with that?
We Members of this Forum can either except what we read as fact, or garbage and move on! Trying to pressure him to explain his logic to all of us is ridiculous, he doesn't have to explain anything, IT'S JUST HIS OPINION!!!!!!!!!!
What don't you understand about that?
Maybe because personally I wouldn't make a statement that something was the only one thing that could do something unless I was willing to back it up. Especially with a bunch of !!!!!!! after it. If I did I would expect to catch flack for it. Especially in a thread that has some of the statements in it like this one does.

Like you said its all opinions, and it is my opinion that if you make a statement in such a way that it comes off as an absolute then be ready to explan yourself.

Yes I know we all come off different in our post then we intended to ever now and again and sometimes that messes things up. Sadly that is the nature of being on a forum, that is unless all you do is just make post kissing folks on the behind. Those people don't have to worry about reading a post the wrong way.
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You guys need to lighten up...

The only real jeeps are the ones that didn't come with doors...

Before the freakish square headlights (I mean, seriously... Square?)

Before the round eyed impostor TJ's, with their coil springs... What real jeep has coil springs stock? FAKE.

Definitely before they added plastic... What is this... Mattel jeeps?

Ooh... Maybe inferior jeeps are the ones with the least money sunk into them, or the most...

Maybe its tire size...

Automatic windows...

Air conditioning ...

You guys might think this discussion is new, but it started 40 some odd years ago... It hasn't gotten any more intelligent in all that time at all, and its pretty appropiate for it to have been zombied yet again.

My opinion-

A "real" jeep is one that gets wheeled... Be it square, coiled, plastic, easily high centered, and I'll even go full blasphemy and say 2wd

My '71 has never had a transfer case, ever, and I wheel the **** out of it. Had plenty of folks tell me its a "real jeep", a "jeep jeep", or an "off road jeep". Never once have had anyone say it was anything less than a jeep, and it's pretty much the epitome of a "fake" jeep...

Its all opinion... Quit griping about other folks' opinions and go fabricate something, or go wheeling and break something, either way, that's what "real" jeeping is about
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2 doors like to throw their bacon onto 4 door owners because they can't carry their own bacon. They are always annoying 4 door owners with their bacon or they carry it on a separate trailer that looks like crap and have to leave it somewhere else when wheeling, annoying somebody else to watch over the trailer that has their bacon.

Pretty rough bacon.
Agreed. The whole inspiration behind the design was military based... With that was to do what was done yrs. ago...store extra gas containers, camping gear, hunting, etc. because you may not be coming back for a long time.... So funny
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I just like to give people a hard time. This thread stoped being usefull a looong time ago. I wonder why it is still around?
Yes, it's sad that you like giving people a hard time!
It would be nice if you would lighten up and enjoy life.........
I also wonder why this old thread is still around, or could it be that you just enjoy agitating others and it will live on forever.............Maybe you just don't know how to be nice

For some reason, you just keep missing the point, that opinions and experiences don't need to be explained too you. Nobody owes you a explanation! What don't you understand about that?
Just because you have a Philosophy of making a statement and then explaining it in detail, doesn't mean that others have that same philosophy!
If I'm still not getting through to you, then I give up..................
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In my opinion, I think 4 door Jeeps are like an FJ and they suck at wheeling,,,,, 2 doors all the way, go me go me!
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I have had 4, 2 dr Rubicons since 04. I love them.

I think I'm going to trade in my 2012 for a 2014 this winter. It is just too small. Go figure, there was a time I would have never looked at a 4dr..

My daughters want to take the Jeep everywhere, lol I need a 4dr.
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What, they make a 4 door Jeep?
Don't think so, then it wouldn't be a real Jeep, right? ::throws fuel on fire::
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You're all driving chrysler. Wtf caaaaares. Omygod how do i hide this "i have a break before the lunch bell rings" thread.
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You're all driving chrysler. Wtf caaaaares. Omygod how do i hide this "i have a break before the lunch bell rings" thread.
what is worse it is owned by Fiat lol. and they have about as much in common with the original jeeps as Ford fiesta has to a Cobra Shelby ie both have 4 tires and burn gas lol.
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Im just going to toss out my opinion since everyone else has.
The 4 door looks like a wanna be Hummer and the 2 door looks like um um well a Jeep.
95% of the 4 doors around here are black and chromed out to resemble a Hummer.Hell my wife even said they look like a Hummer and she wouldn't mind having one.

There I said it dont hate me because I drive a 2 door. Its just what I like.
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Im just going to toss out my opinion since everyone else has.
The 4 door looks like a wanna be Hummer and the 2 door looks like um um well a Jeep.
95% of the 4 doors around here are black and chromed out to resemble a Hummer.Hell my wife even said they look like a Hummer and she wouldn't mind having one.

There I said it dont hate me because I drive a 2 door. Its just what I like.
See...this is what I don't get.

You dis the 4 door, thn say "don't hate me because I drive a 2 door".

Why would anyone hate you for driving a 2 door?

A chromed out 4 door Sahara (or Rubi with painted fenders) with a painted top resembles a Hummer only because they are both big and boxy with rear mounted spares.

Most 4 door owners don't care what someone drives....but there is always a vocal section of 2 door owners that take every opportunity to point out the differences....when in the grand scheme of things....it does not matter.

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