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Old 01-29-2013, 11:32 AM   #91
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Both are gas. The 5100 for a jk are only for 2" lift and above.
So the 5100 out of question for just 19/60 and 3/4 spacer? How's the ride on heavy duty daggo?

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Both are gas. The 5100 for a jk are only for 2" lift and above.
Gotcha. Then I don't know the difference. Both state they're for lifts.

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Then those are pretty weak like mine were.
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What do the letters AA, AB, or AC mean after the shock number? For example 4458AA, 4459AA, 6318AB, 6317AB, 6318AC, and 6314AC.
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What do the letters AA, AB, or AC mean after the shock number? For example 4458AA, 4459AA, 6318AB, 6317AB, 6318AC, and 6314AC.
In a nutshell, AA is first run, AB is 2nd, etc.
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So the 5100 out of question for just 19/60 and 3/4 spacer? How's the ride on heavy duty daggo?
The ride is much stiffer than stock, which is what I wanted. I did the shocks before considering the lift. Then I did the coils and raised it 2". Later I went back in and added the spacers. I have had no issues with the shocks or any other parts. Never needed alignment or steering wheel centering.
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Looking at Mopar Parts Catalog and specifically rear spring "68004459AA" The catalog states this is a spring for the right side of the vehicle and then there are notes "4WD, CODE ZFY, ZUY".

So I have basically two questions to ask the smart people here;

First, is there a reason not to use a right side spring on the left side?

Second, what do the codes stand for; ZFY, ZUY, ZFZ, ZUZ etc?
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If you are going to order the coils, why not order the 60? The exact model numbers are in the first link I posted earlier. There is no right or left coil. They are the same.
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Looking at Mopar Parts Catalog and specifically rear spring "68004459AA" The catalog states this is a spring for the right side of the vehicle and then there are notes "4WD, CODE ZFY, ZUY".

So I have basically two questions to ask the smart people here;

First, is there a reason not to use a right side spring on the left side?

Second, what do the codes stand for; ZFY, ZUY, ZFZ, ZUZ etc?
No idea what the codes mean, if the part numbers match I don't see why it would matter. My codes were different when I installed 2013 springs, but they fit fine. As daggo said, no right or left.
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The ride is much stiffer than stock, which is what I wanted. I did the shocks before considering the lift. Then I did the coils and raised it 2". Later I went back in and added the spacers. I have had no issues with the shocks or any other parts. Never needed alignment or steering wheel centering.
Awesome buying my shocks on Friday ill let you know when I get springs
to bad I don't have them today since its gonna be 68 degrees... Would have been a good reason to take off
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Awesome buying my shocks on Friday ill let you know when I get springs
to bad I don't have them today since its gonna be 68 degrees... Would have been a good reason to take off
Great! My offer to help stands. You are welcome to my driveway. I have all the necessary tools.
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Great! My offer to help stands. You are welcome to my driveway. I have all the necessary tools.
Awesome thanks man ill let you know it's my next project need more space for these 35s
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Talked to my dealer today while the windshield was being replaced and the service manager assured me a lift won't void anything unless it is proven to cause the claimed damage or break. So as daggo said, it will not void warranty. Learning that, I may have to go aftermarket now as many have warrantys on lifts too.
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Hey Tom, or anyone else with 19/60 and 3/4 pucks
Will I need brake brackets? How tight will it be after installed?
Is a rear track bar necessary? Maybe future?
And I'm going to be wheeling moderate, will I need sway bar links or will I be fine with stock for now?

Got 2 19's off of mopar website for I think 34 a piece and
Got 2 60's off of eBay for 80
Waiting on money for 2 front bilsteins...
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I got the rough country 2.5 bb kit and i have the 18/58, prolly gunna get the ranch s5000 shocks should gain around 3 inches i reckon. What do you guys think? I was running the 14/55s springs
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I got the rough country 2.5 bb kit and i have the 18/58, prolly gunna get the ranch s5000 shocks should gain around 3 inches i reckon. What do you guys think? I was running the 14/55s springs
I ran Rancho 5000 years ago on my Bronco and were happy with them. Im reading some good reviews on bilsteins as well. Your lift might end up being higher than you think with the Rc bb and 4 Dr springs though.
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I got the rough country 2.5 bb kit and i have the 18/58, prolly gunna get the ranch s5000 shocks should gain around 3 inches i reckon. What do you guys think? I was running the 14/55s springs
Did you already swap the springs? If so, just see how much lift you got.

From what I hear, the BB spacer kits are pretty accurate as far as described lift. Coils can give you more than advertised.

You don't NEED sway bar discos, but if you'll truly be moderately offroading, they're worth it. Big difference even when I was stock.
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Thanks for supporting my jeep fever seems to be going around.....
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I ran Rancho 5000 years ago on my Bronco and were happy with them. Im reading some good reviews on bilsteins as well. Your lift might end up being higher than you think with the Rc bb and 4 Dr springs though.
Yea i wouldnt mind a solid half in extra... As long as i dont break past the 3" mark thats fine, id rather not get into a mix of joy and anger when im taller than expected but need to break the bank on extra work/parts for going higher than the stock parts can handle
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Nice Rabuck!

Getting ready to do this myself...quick question...I got my 60's off ebay for cheap and am looking to get my 19's from mopar online, how long did it take to get them ordering through mopar website?
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Looks good! What size tires are they?
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Nice Rabuck!

Getting ready to do this myself...quick question...I got my 60's off ebay for cheap and am looking to get my 19's from mopar online, how long did it take to get them ordering through mopar website?
I did the sane ordered rear from eBay and front from mopar I think it took about 5 days to deliver hear in Baltimore.
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Looks good! What size tires are they?
Thanks, you planted the seed.... What you doing upgrading from those 32s 😱 these are 35x12.5x15 km2 but they measure 34.25 at 32psi I love them, and I've heard a lot about how bad they are in rain but yesterday I drove in all that rain on way home from work over bridge and no slipping at all great in rain! And what little snow we had....
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Just want to say thanks to all that provided information on this subject.

I instaled the teraflex leveling kit, 18/59 springs (was 15/56), and 5100 bilstien shocks yesterday. Only used a single puck up front and so glad I did. I ended up about 1/4" taller up front. It would have looked rediculous if I would have used both pucks and I would have been tearing it apart again. Overall lift I got with the levling kit and springs ended up between 2"-2.25" at all 4 corners. My ride was already level to start so I didnt have to worry about that. But I didnt anticipate how short the brake lines were going to be so I need to rig up some lowering brackets before tires go on. I cant drop the suspension full shock drop or the brake lines will be stressed bad. People are not kidding when they say to modify brake lines if you get longer shocks. Taking it in to get tires put on tomorrow and would hate to pick it up and have busted brake lines so I need to get that done tonight.

One thing about the stock springs I found interesting. Everyone keeps claiming the larger the number on the tag the higher the spring rate is. The front springs I went from a 15 to a 18. The wire diameter, outer spring diameter and distance between coils was identical. The only different was the 59 had an extra half coil and becuase of the extra coil was about 1" longer. If you know anything about springs you know that adding coils but maintaining other variables actually decreases spring rate. So a 18 spring is actually softer than a 15. I dont know the actual value but thought it was interesting. This didnt hold true at the rear though comparing the 59 to the 56. The rear spring wire OD was larger, the spacing between coils and the outer diamter of the spring was the same, but there was an extra 1/4 coil, and the becuase of the extra coil the springs were about 1/4" longer. But even with being only 1/4" longer I got about 1" in lift. So the 18 rear spring rate is definately higher rate than the 15.

I havent driven it but about 10mile since the install but from what I can tell the ride isnt that much stiffer. Feels pretty similar other than the body roll and diving when braking. I really think the shocks did more to the ride than the springs and pucks. Feels more controlled in corners and braking. Now I just need to get rid of those 245 tires.

I will post before/after and after w/ tires tomorrow if I get a chance.
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Just want to say thanks to all that provided information on this subject.

I instaled the teraflex leveling kit, 18/59 springs (was 15/56), and 5100 bilstien shocks yesterday. Only used a single puck up front and so glad I did. I ended up about 1/4" taller up front. It would have looked rediculous if I would have used both pucks and I would have been tearing it apart again. Overall lift I got with the levling kit and springs ended up between 2"-2.25" at all 4 corners. My ride was already level to start so I didnt have to worry about that. But I didnt anticipate how short the brake lines were going to be so I need to rig up some lowering brackets before tires go on. I cant drop the suspension full shock drop or the brake lines will be stressed bad. People are not kidding when they say to modify brake lines if you get longer shocks. Taking it in to get tires put on tomorrow and would hate to pick it up and have busted brake lines so I need to get that done tonight.

One thing about the stock springs I found interesting. Everyone keeps claiming the larger the number on the tag the higher the spring rate is. The front springs I went from a 15 to a 18. The wire diameter, outer spring diameter and distance between coils was identical. The only different was the 59 had an extra half coil and becuase of the extra coil was about 1" longer. If you know anything about springs you know that adding coils but maintaining other variables actually decreases spring rate. So a 18 spring is actually softer than a 15. I dont know the actual value but thought it was interesting. This didnt hold true at the rear though comparing the 59 to the 56. The rear spring wire OD was larger, the spacing between coils and the outer diamter of the spring was the same, but there was an extra 1/4 coil, and the becuase of the extra coil the springs were about 1/4" longer. But even with being only 1/4" longer I got about 1" in lift. So the 18 rear spring rate is definately higher rate than the 15.

I havent driven it but about 10mile since the install but from what I can tell the ride isnt that much stiffer. Feels pretty similar other than the body roll and diving when braking. I really think the shocks did more to the ride than the springs and pucks. Feels more controlled in corners and braking. Now I just need to get rid of those 245 tires.

I will post before/after and after w/ tires tomorrow if I get a chance.
I had to bend my lines slightly to straighten them out... This helped a lot I have 35s and I won't need brackets now they are very easy to bend you just have to be careful because little to easy.... I also have 5100 and the ride is tighter but more comfortable if that makes sense... Bumps are no where near as bad with sport shocks and when braking and cornering no sipping
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......One thing about the stock springs I found interesting. Everyone keeps claiming the larger the number on the tag the higher the spring rate is. The front springs I went from a 15 to a 18. The wire diameter, outer spring diameter and distance between coils was identical. The only different was the 59 had an extra half coil and becuase of the extra coil was about 1" longer. If you know anything about springs you know that adding coils but maintaining other variables actually decreases spring rate. So a 18 spring is actually softer than a 15. I dont know the actual value but thought it was interesting. This didnt hold true at the rear though comparing the 59 to the 56. The rear spring wire OD was larger, the spacing between coils and the outer diamter of the spring was the same, but there was an extra 1/4 coil, and the becuase of the extra coil the springs were about 1/4" longer. But even with being only 1/4" longer I got about 1" in lift. So the 18 rear spring rate is definately higher rate than the 15.......
We don't keep claiming the spring rate is higher on an 18 spring. We said it's taller so even after it compresses from the Jeep's weight, it is taller than a 13 or 14.
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I had to bend my lines slightly to straighten them out... This helped a lot I have 35s and I won't need brackets now they are very easy to bend you just have to be careful because little to easy.... I also have 5100 and the ride is tighter but more comfortable if that makes sense... Bumps are no where near as bad with sport shocks and when braking and cornering no sipping
Its not the bending part thats the problem. The rubber line between the upper bracket to frame and the bracket mounted near the lower shock point is too short to drop the full 5100 length, at least in the front. I dont think the rear is quite as bad. I agree on the tighter more controlled, feels good to me.

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We don't keep claiming the spring rate is higher on an 18 spring. We said it's taller so even after it compresses from the Jeep's weight, it is taller than a 13 or 14.
Ok I guess saying "everyone" was a bad choice of words. I wasnt pointing fingers or anything. There are claims on this board, maybe from the uninformed, that say the higher number is a higher spring rate. And I believe in some instances this is true. I was just showing my example since nobody seems to be comparing springs and giving real feedback on the differences between them. I took all the dimensions of both sets of springs and will post it later but all that info is at home and I am at work. Just trying to get more real information out there.
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Ok I guess saying "everyone" was a bad choice of words. I wasnt pointing fingers or anything. There are claims on this board, maybe from the uninformed, that say the higher number is a higher spring rate. And I believe in some instances this is true. I was just showing my example since nobody seems to be comparing springs and giving real feedback on the differences between them. I took all the dimensions of both sets of springs and will post it later but all that info is at home and I am at work. Just trying to get more real information out there.
I actually measured the circumference of the individual coils before. There was no difference b/w the 14s and 18s in the front. I'll have to find my post, I don't remember is the 59s were larger than the 55s in the rear.

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