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Old 07-04-2011, 10:31 AM   #1
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2010-11 Jeep Wrangler Reliability

I am considering a 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited and I would love to hear from any owners regarding overall reliability. The ratings are not so good. This vehicle looks like loads of fun though, so I am really interested. Please give me any feedback you think would be helpful. Thanks so much!

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Old 07-04-2011, 10:45 AM   #2
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The people that write the ratings for all vehicles are trying to compare the wrangler to the Toyota Camry. They don't know the difference!!!!

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I have a 10 Rubi that I have had no problems with. There are others who have had some issues but I think it's a small portion of vehicles built. You tend to hear of more problems on the forums because it's a good way to find out about certain issues. If a 2011 Unlimited will suit what you need it to do then get one. There is only one thing that is a common factor, the gas mileage isn't that great. Other than that, they can't be compared with anything else.
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Don't buy a wrangler or CJ for ride quality. You buy one for overall capability. My '10 JKU doesn't ride horrible. The ride with the family from charleston to fort myers was not bad or even uncomfortable, but I sure do get a smile when blowing by my buddies stuck in the same mud hole I effortlessly went thru.
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Forget the ratings! Go on any vehicle forum out there and you will see they all have their share of issues. Too early to comment on reliability as my 2011 only has 2400 miles. The passenger side cat has an internal rattle at certain rpms, but no issues otherwise. Like kik said: nothing else compares.
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Forget the ratings! Go on any vehicle forum out there and you will see they all have their share of issues. Too early to comment on reliability as my 2011 only has 2400 miles. The passenger side cat has an internal rattle at certain rpms, but no issues otherwise. Like kik said: nothing else compares.
It's not internal, that's the heat shield rattling.
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I've had NO problems with mine....or with the previous Wranglers that I've owned. I think that the low ratings are due to the type of use which many Jeeps get subjected to. Try driving a Camry over some of the rock trails and creeks and see what kind of reliability rating they get then.
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It's not internal, that's the heat shield rattling.
I thought it was the heat shield too. Narrowed the sound down to the passenger side front. Crawled underneath to investigate and accidentally bumped the cat. Problem found.
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Jeeps are poorly put together with good parts (most of them). They are clunky, ride poorly, use too much gas and require routine maintenance...and 99.9% of the people on this forum wouldn't trade them for the world.
Don't buy one because its practical, buy one because its not. That's why they hold their value, because there's nothing else like it on or off the road.
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You're never going to get an honest answer on any Jeep forum when you start asking about reliability. Most of the people who own a Jeep are wearing rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the Wrangler consistently ranks near the bottom of any and all quality/reliability rankings.
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Well, I thought mine was one hundred percent reliable until after just 33,000 miles the left front signal light burned out. Then, Egads, just today, the water pump gasket seeped a few drops of fluid on the garage floor. To say nothing about the fact that while off roading at superlift I tore the plastic step off the passenger side, and put a dimple in the oil pan. So much for reliablity......and I thought these things were bullit proof.
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The people that write the ratings for all vehicles are trying to compare the wrangler to the Toyota Camry. They don't know the difference!!!!
Funny you should mention that. Im going from a Camry to a 2012 JKU. Ill be a first time jeep owner. Im not expecting it to ride like a Camry, thats why I want it. Camry is a very nice car but very Vanilla.....Blah !!!!!!! Cant wait til August to pick it up.
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I came from a Off-road Ranger FX4-Level 2, and mustangs.. MY 2011 Wrangler 4dr(unlimited) rides nice, quiet, and capable of going off-road if needed..
Dont get caught up in the ratings.. Fun to drive, wife and kids love it too... So far 8 months, 8000miles no issues yet...

1 more thing... Wrangler has one of the best resale values!!!!
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I thought it was the heat shield too. Narrowed the sound down to the passenger side front. Crawled underneath to investigate and accidentally bumped the cat. Problem found.
Something loose inside the cat is not good.
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I thought it was the heat shield too. Narrowed the sound down to the passenger side front. Crawled underneath to investigate and accidentally bumped the cat. Problem found.
They'll replace it under warranty. Like daggo said, a rattle in the cat isn't a good thing.
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Jeeps are poorly put together with good parts (most of them). They are clunky, ride poorly, use too much gas and require routine maintenance...and 99.9% of the people on this forum wouldn't trade them for the world.
Don't buy one because its practical, buy one because its not. That's why they hold their value, because there's nothing else like it on or off the road.
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Tires on 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited

Thanks for all the responses about reliability. Trust me, I am not a Toyota person by any stretch. I also have a Land Rover Range Rover and it's been flawless, but they are not known for being perfectly reliable.

Here is my next question: The tires that come with the Sahara are more street friendly ones. I am thinking about getting the upgraded BF Goodrich tires (same as Rubicon) on my Sahara, but the sales person was warning me about increased road noise. Well, I test drove the vehicle with those tires and the difference wasn't much. I know I am being a little anal, but I just want to get the right Jeep so I can enjoy the hell out of it.

So what do you guys think in terms of the tires? Go with the standard tires (smoother, less off road oriented) or get the upgraded BF Goodrich tires with off road tread?

THANKS SO much for your advice.

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Good god. Salesmen do not know what they are talking about. If you roll up in a range rover and show interest in the more luxurious model (sahara) then they are going to sell you on comfort package. Jeeps are noisy enough that you wont tell the tires are there. Test drive a rubicon and see if the tires bother you. He is probably trying to move what he has on the lot and not get stuck with a set of tires he can't move.
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Jruss, thanks for your feedback. I agree with you. I am looking at a 2011 Sahara with the matching hard top and I want to add the bigger tires with off road tread. That version of the car looks like I feel a Jeep should look and would be everything I need off road. I love the Rubicon as well, but I see more of the Sahara's with all of the options.
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Another thing, when I started shopping for a Jeep, I didn't do the smart thing and get on here until AFTER I had bought my Sahara. It is a Very nice Jeep, but when I go offroading, I get a little serious, and the Sahara is a very capable unit. But if I had known then what I know now; mine would have been a Rubicon.
As far as reliability, I have 17000 miles in my '10 and no issues, no complaints! Hasn't used a drop of oil between changes, or anything else!
Hope this helps.
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I would say Wranglers are below average for fit and finish quality issues. But that is hard to overcome when you build an SUV that has a removable top and doors. You will see a lot of complaints about leaks. Some are justified, some are RTFM issues for people new to Jeeps.

Mechanically they are very reliable. The 3.8 has been used by Chrysler for 20 years with decent success.

Remember that any car or truck forum will have a higher concentration of negative results. People don't flock to the Internet when their car works flawlessly.
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You're never going to get an honest answer on any Jeep forum when you start asking about reliability. Most of the people who own a Jeep are wearing rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the Wrangler consistently ranks near the bottom of any and all quality/reliability rankings.
Wrangler2012 why do that?? Why imply that us folks on this forum lack integrity,and are ignorant????

Many of us have had no significant problems with our Jeeps. We're not lying.

I have had many cars that were ranked poorly in reliablity,yet I didn't have the issues that others may have had. I feel sorry for guys like you ,whom our so effective at alienating yourself from others.

I have an 08 Rubi,that does not ride hard,its not uncomfortable,and it is not noisy.


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Hi, my sport unlimited is not noisy, or uncomfortable to ride either.. I would look for a rubi or sport / the sahara painted flares are just something to show scratches.. I had one dealer insist the sahara painted flares were better.. I am soo glad I didnt get the Sahara.. They are nice, but not for me...

test drive them! you will love em...
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Wrangler2012 why do that?? Why imply that us folks on this forum lack integrity,and are ignorant????

Many of us have had no significant problems with our Jeeps. We're not lying.

I have had many cars that were ranked poorly in reliablity,yet I didn't have the issues that others may have had. I feel sorry for guys like you ,whom our so effective at alienating yourself from others.

I have an 08 Rubi,that does not ride hard,its not uncomfortable,and it is not noisy.


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It's to be expected from him. He has never owned a Wrangler and to date has not ordered one despite his pontificating on the virtues of the 3.6 that will be in the 2012. He is probably the stereotypical CR reader and target market.
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Here is my next question: The tires that come with the Sahara are more street friendly ones. I am thinking about getting the upgraded BF Goodrich tires (same as Rubicon) on my Sahara, but the sales person was warning me about increased road noise. Well, I test drove the vehicle with those tires and the difference wasn't much. I know I am being a little anal, but I just want to get the right Jeep so I can enjoy the hell out of it.

So what do you guys think in terms of the tires? Go with the standard tires (smoother, less off road oriented) or get the upgraded BF Goodrich tires with off road tread?

THANKS SO much for your advice.

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Increased road noise should be in the ears of the beholder....that means YOU. Test drive both. Go on the highway with the winders down. See what YOU think about how they sound.

I just posted on this topic in another thread. I had an 08 Sahara with A/Ts on it for 14,000miles before Chrysler bought it back. And now the 08 Rubicon with the M/Ts. My personal experience is that the additional noise is not very noticeable. If you look at the tread design of the M/Ts you will see that the pattern is interlocking. Not very aggressive for a M/T tire. I see a lot of peoples on the forums ditch the stock M/Ts in favor of something more aggressive and wider. But this is after they have had some experiences with it how it came from the dealer. My M/Ts now have 52,000 miles on them and I'm getting near the point of getting new tires. I have a lifetime tire replacement contract with the dealer. If they honor it, it will get another set of stock M/Ts. If they don't honor it, I'm seriously leaning toward 15" steel wheels and a more aggressive, wider M/T tire. My sights are currently set on getting a tire like tysalem's new sneakers. Search on his user name and you will see what I'm talking about.
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JC, you may want to consider getting the Sahara with the stock wheels and tires and getting a second set for off road/winter. The stock Rubicon wheels and tires are readily available on craigs list/eBay. Depending on what the dealer wants to charge you for the change in wheels and tires, this may be a cheaper option. I found a set of of 5 for $500 with 80% of the tread remaining.

Just a thought .
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I've got a 2010 Sahara Unlimited with basically all the options, and I love it. I went off roading a few weeks ago with a bunch of buddies who had all sorts of different vehicles on a friends farm. We had 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, a big piece of crap 70s Blazer that we are trying to kill, but the beast won't die even though parts are literally falling off it...and hands down, everybody there enjoyed riding in my Jeep over everything else there. I heard over and over that it rode smooth (this is over rough terrain) and comments like it rode like a Cadilac. Of course, when you compare to what else was out there, it was the smoothest vehicle. And then, after a fun day of wheeling, I put the top up, jumped on the interestate and drove 300 miles very comfortably home.

I have had a blast everytime I drive her, whether to the grocery store or off road. My wife asked me yesterday if I ever get tired of people staring at the Jeep...I don't. The kids love it, I love it, my wife loves it...I wouldn't ever buy anything else. I have 15,000 fun filled miles on it and have had zero problems. Oh, with the soft top on at highway speeds...say 75mph+, the soft top will tend to lift up on the sides. I asked a service tech to look it over and make sure I had it on right. He did, it is on right and his comment was that it was never intended to go that fast.
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Oh, with the soft top on at highway speeds...say 75mph+, the soft top will tend to lift up on the sides. I asked a service tech to look it over and make sure I had it on right. He did, it is on right and his comment was that it was never intended to go that fast.
Put a lift on it, that will solve the 75+mph problem.
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Oh, with the soft top on at highway speeds...say 75mph+, the soft top will tend to lift up on the sides. I asked a service tech to look it over and make sure I had it on right. He did, it is on right and his comment was that it was never intended to go that fast.
That's insane and the tech obviously has no idea what he's talking about.

The fact that he believes the soft top wasn't meant to travel at 75 mph provides an indication about how you should feel about his "making sure" you installed it correctly. The man is an idiot.

You're soft top is not installed correctly. You're not properly linking your soft top on the latches located at the mid-point between the front and rear doors. Without being latched, the top will fall backward if left in the sunrider position or--as in your case--"lift" up off the Jeep while the front stays secured. See this post.
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Jeep's strong points are off-road capability and the "fun" factor.

Reliability is not. They have substantially more issues than other vehicles. I recommend you to "navigate" through different user forums and read about users' experience / complaints. The general trend is:

- On Jeep forums, most of the issues reported are related to small, but aggravating quality defects / design issues. Faulty electronics, broken parts (without apparent reason), etc. On top of that, Chrysler warranty service sucks. Many claims are denied, or it takes forever (including several visits to the dealer) to get a problem fixed.

- If you go to Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi forums dedicated to their off-road vehicles, most of the issues reported by the users are related to self-inflicted problems caused by substantial modifications or off-roading mishaps. The amount of quality defects associated to design and built quality is significantly less then in case of Jeep. Also, Japanese cars warranty service tends to be much better than Chrysler.

There is no simple black-or-white answer. Jeep consistently scores at the bottom when it comes to initial built quality and mechanical reliability. But it has its fair share of fans who don't mind the mechanical issues, and appreciate Jeep for what it is - a fun weekend toy you can occasionally take places that few other vehicles go.

If reliability (and safety) are important to you, then stay away from a Jeep. If you are looking for a reliable, safe vehicle with very good off-road capabilities, consider Toyota FJ Cruiser or 4Runner. They are as good as a non-Rubicon Wrangler when it comes to off-road capability, and are among the safest and most reliable vehicles in their class. VW Touareg is also an excellent off-road vehicle, with top notch safety and reliability (an exception among VW's), but it's much more expensive. Nissan XTerra is another vehicle you may consider. Finally, there are Toyota Land Cruiser (and its Lexus clone) and Mercedes G-Class - both are superb vehicles but way too expensive for most of us mortals.

I belong to a club that does a lot of off-roading expeditions. Not "mud hole" play at OHV parks, but excursions into really remote places. Jeeps predominate at OHV parks and are usually driven by young drivers who are looking for a "fun toy". But among seasoned drivers who engage in overland expeditions, Jeeps are much less popular, precisely because they tend to break-down at the less convenient moment. Toyota's older Land Cruisers (70 and 80 series) are the King, with a fair share of older Mitsubishi, Nissans and Land Rovers. Among new vehicles, the 4Runner is among the best, followed closely by the XTerra and the FJ Cruiser. In my years of overland expeditions, I still haven't found a place where a stock Jeep would beat a Toyota or Nissan, and actually in some aspects, like deep water fording, stock Toyotas and Nissans have a definite advantage over Jeeps. ALL vehicles can (and will) get stuck from time to time, but usually it is because of driver's mistake, bad tires, poor technique, etc.

Jeeps are easy to modify into a "mud toy" or "rock crawler", but this comes at the expense of handling, safety and (usually) reliability. If your main goal is to have a weekend toy for OHV park play, Jeep is the vehicle of choice. If, on the other hand, you want a reliable, safe, durable vehicle that will do the daily driving AND take you off-road, then there are better choices.

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