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Old 11-27-2010, 07:52 PM   #1
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2011 Hill Start operation

when I try to move after stopping on a hill, it feels like the brakes do not want to release at all. I timed it at about 5 secs before they finally do release and it takes more gas pedal to get it going. My Challenger has the same hill start but releases a lot easier when i do give it the gas. Obviously there is a big difference in engines here, so comparing it to my Challenger maybe an unfair comparison. Still, it just doesnt seem right. Can this hill start thing be shut off?

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Yes! It should tell you how in the owners manual.

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The instructions for deactivating it are in your owner's manual. Keep in mind that the amount of hold is directly proportional to the force applied to the brake when stopped on the hill. If you mash the brake you will sit there like a rock. Apply just enough pressure to hold you and you will get a smooth start.
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Inform me what this is, ive seen it talked about before but ive never taken the time to check the owners manual for it, is this for manual only rigs?
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Inform me what this is, ive seen it talked about before but ive never taken the time to check the owners manual for it, is this for manual only rigs?
It is to prevent roll back starts on hills in the manual jeep. Instead of starting to roll backwards when you release the brake you just sit there for a few seconds for an easier take off.
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I don't know why, but automatics have it as well starting in 2009.
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Really?..Didn't know that
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there's an option to turn it off in EVIC if you have the connectivity package. If not I think you're in for a wheel dance..
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I don't know why, but automatics have it as well starting in 2009.
Thats because you can still roll back on a steep hill in an automatic. At idle (in my XJ) the torque converter can only keep the jeep still up to a 30 degree incline, past that I will start to roll back wards and I have to use the brake
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Yup -- the owner's manual tells you how to do this.

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If you wish to turn off the HSA system, follow this procedure:
1. Start with the engine off and vehicle in PARK (auto- matic transmission) or NEUTRAL with clutch out (manual transmission) with wheels straight. Apply park- ing brake on manual transmission vehicle.
2. Start the engine.
3. With the engine running, the brake applied, and the clutch out, rotate the steering wheel 180° counterclock- wise from center.
4. Press the ESC OFF switch four times within twenty seconds.
5. Rotate the steering wheel 360° clockwise (180° clock- wise from center).
6. Cycle ignition switch OFF then ON.
7. If the sequence was completed properly, the “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” will blink sev- eral times to confirm HSA is off.
Steps 1-7 must be completed within 90 seconds to turn off HSA. Repeat steps 1-7 to re-enable HSA functionality.
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there is an easier option than turning it off. If you press the brake easier when you come to a hill stop instead of quickly taking the pedal to the floor, the hill start assist won't engage. then it technically is still enabled on your jeep and you can use it when you want. In other words Use it when you need to/want to. then it is still there if you need it.
You have to find just the right pedal touch to see what will engage it and what won't, but I rarely have it engaged anymore. There are a few times where I needed it, and it was there for me. But I agree with you guys- even on my Manual trans I don't want it there all the time. It makes my Starts a bit jumpy.
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I have a similar question about the brakes. When I coast to a stop in my 03 TJ, it will roll smoothly for a country mile. The 2010 JKU when coasting to a stop will literally stop itself. It feels like engine brakes are engaging and it won't roll far at all before it stops. If you let off to far from a stop sign you will have to get back on the gas just to get there. Is this normal or do I have some sort of problem.
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Just wanted to thank you all for your info on this, definitely appreciated!
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I have a similar question about the brakes. When I coast to a stop in my 03 TJ, it will roll smoothly for a country mile. The 2010 JKU when coasting to a stop will literally stop itself. It feels like engine brakes are engaging and it won't roll far at all before it stops. If you let off to far from a stop sign you will have to get back on the gas just to get there. Is this normal or do I have some sort of problem.
I noticed a reduction in coasting distance when I got my JK, but maybe not as severe as you're explaining. And I came from an Eclipse, so I was spoiled with decent aerodynamics to begin with.

I would imagine (though I have little to back it up) that the TJ and JK would have similar characteristic when coasting, since they're approximately the same shape from an aerodynamics perspective.
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I have never noticed my JK not coasting. (sorry for the double negative in that sentence).

It doesn't seem any different from the TJ I used to have.
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What I've been told is that the JK has some type of fuel saving engine breaking feature. When you let fully off of the throttle it uses as little fuel as possible to conserve fuel and also help slow you down, but if you keep a slight pressure on the pedal, it will allow you to coast more like you are used to. I really enjoy the feature because it allows me to descend long hills without really riding the breaks the whole time. Once I learned how to use the pedal to decide how I wanted it to act, I've loved it.
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What I've been told is that the JK has some type of fuel saving engine breaking feature. When you let fully off of the throttle it uses as little fuel as possible to conserve fuel and also help slow you down, but if you keep a slight pressure on the pedal, it will allow you to coast more like you are used to. I really enjoy the feature because it allows me to descend long hills without really riding the breaks the whole time. Once I learned how to use the pedal to decide how I wanted it to act, I've loved it.
Good point, whether or not it was intended -- I'm talking about a manual transmission, where a fully depressed clutch should completely disengage regardless of the model.

You're talking about an automatic. So the question to terminator012 is, which transmission do you have?

If it's an auto, then KooL's explanation may make sense. But if it's a manual and you're talking about coasting with a fully-depressed clutch, there may be a problem.
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when i fully depress the clutch in my manual i don't notice any differnce in my coasting distance
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I have a similar question about the brakes. When I coast to a stop in my 03 TJ, it will roll smoothly for a country mile. The 2010 JKU when coasting to a stop will literally stop itself. It feels like engine brakes are engaging and it won't roll far at all before it stops. If you let off to far from a stop sign you will have to get back on the gas just to get there. Is this normal or do I have some sort of problem.
I went through this whole entire saga already recently , was driving me insane, i made a previous post not well known at that time. I notice now a lot of Jeep Owners are starting to complain about the brake drag feeling at 30 mph or below. I did not think it was the hill assist feature the entire time due to the fact that it #1 job is to prevent you from rolling on an incline while stopped.There is no down hill decent feature on our Wranglers like a 4runner has, so it really didn't make sense to turn of the Jeeps' hill assist feature at the time.

It turned out that when you take your foot of the gas pedal, the computer is already getting the parameters together and thinks you are going to stop. Already applying the brakes sort of speak. In any event I fianlly got tired of driving like I am riding around with my emergency brake on at 30 MPH or below,, " YES, emergency brake was off,,lol " I did the hill assist de-activiation , and would you know it, that drag feeling as you mentioned , goes away. Major difference,, try it, you can always turn it back on.

I agree with you, I sometimes like to coast to a red light, so the time I get to it , the light goes green , and less on the brakes on better fuel economy. The dragging feeling was so bad, sometimes going down a hill, I would have to acceralte to keep up with the speed limit, to make that hill assist computer reset it self for that moment. At times It would also confuse the hell out of the tranny, Jeep is slowing down, and now you need to accerlate to get it out of the mode, and slip,, back into gear..... It also depends on your driving, if you drive in hilly terrian on back roads, you might know what I am reffering to.

I am not starting a anti Hill Assist feature thread here. If it works for you , thats great. I am just happy that Chrysler made a de-activation for it. Guess they knew not everyone was going to like the way it worked.

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I went through this whole entire saga already recently , was driving me insane, i made a previous post not well known at that time. I notice now a lot of Jeep Owners are starting to complain about the brake drag feeling at 30 mph or below. I did not think it was the hill assist feature the entire time due to the fact that it #1 job is to prevent you from rolling on an incline while stopped.There is no down hill decent feature on our Wranglers like a 4runner has, so it really didn't make sense to turn of the Jeeps' hill assist feature at the time.

It turned out that when you take your foot of the gas pedal, the computer is already getting the parameters together and thinks you are going to stop. Already applying the brakes sort of speak. In any event I fianlly got tired of driving like I am riding around with my emergency brake on at 30 MPH or below,, " YES, emergency brake was off,,lol " I did the hill assist de-activiation , and would you know it, that drag feeling as you mentioned , goes away. Major difference,, try it, you can always turn it back on.

I agree with you, I sometimes like to coast to a red light, so the time I get to it , the light goes green , and less on the brakes on better fuel economy. The dragging feeling was so bad, sometimes going down a hill, I would have to acceralte to keep up with the speed limit, to make that hill assist computer reset it self for that moment. At times It would also confuse the hell out of the tranny, Jeep is slowing down, and now you need to accerlate to get it out of the mode, and slip,, back into gear..... It also depends on your driving, if you drive in hilly terrian on back roads, you might know what I am reffering to.

I am not starting a anti Hill Assist feature thread here. If it works for you , thats great. I am just happy that Chrysler made a de-activation for it. Guess they knew not everyone was going to like the way it worked.

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I went through this whole entire saga already recently , was driving me insane, i made a previous post not well known at that time. I notice now a lot of Jeep Owners are starting to complain about the brake drag feeling at 30 mph or below. I did not think it was the hill assist feature the entire time due to the fact that it #1 job is to prevent you from rolling on an incline while stopped.There is no down hill decent feature on our Wranglers like a 4runner has, so it really didn't make sense to turn of the Jeeps' hill assist feature at the time.

It turned out that when you take your foot of the gas pedal, the computer is already getting the parameters together and thinks you are going to stop. Already applying the brakes sort of speak. In any event I fianlly got tired of driving like I am riding around with my emergency brake on at 30 MPH or below,, " YES, emergency brake was off,,lol " I did the hill assist de-activiation , and would you know it, that drag feeling as you mentioned , goes away. Major difference,, try it, you can always turn it back on.

I agree with you, I sometimes like to coast to a red light, so the time I get to it , the light goes green , and less on the brakes on better fuel economy. The dragging feeling was so bad, sometimes going down a hill, I would have to acceralte to keep up with the speed limit, to make that hill assist computer reset it self for that moment. At times It would also confuse the hell out of the tranny, Jeep is slowing down, and now you need to accerlate to get it out of the mode, and slip,, back into gear..... It also depends on your driving, if you drive in hilly terrian on back roads, you might know what I am reffering to.

I am not starting a anti Hill Assist feature thread here. If it works for you , thats great. I am just happy that Chrysler made a de-activation for it. Guess they knew not everyone was going to like the way it worked.

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This would only apply to an automatic and is probaly why HSA is even on the automatics. I have a manual and when I what to coast to the stop light, I just shift to neutral and coast freely.
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This would only apply to an automatic and is probaly why HSA is even on the automatics. I have a manual and when I what to coast to the stop light, I just shift to neutral and coast freely.
Wierd, with the automatics , it almost feels like a jake brake on a diesel truck , 30 mph or below, I remember one night my girl was like, is this a Mack Truck the way it responds when you let off the gas pedal.??....

It is funny, I discovered this issue a while back and posted it on here, nobody knew what the hell I was talking about, Now I see people asking to disable it,,,, Guess it grew on them to much......
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I went through this whole entire saga already recently , was driving me insane, i made a previous post not well known at that time. I notice now a lot of Jeep Owners are starting to complain about the brake drag feeling at 30 mph or below. I did not think it was the hill assist feature the entire time due to the fact that it #1 job is to prevent you from rolling on an incline while stopped.There is no down hill decent feature on our Wranglers like a 4runner has, so it really didn't make sense to turn of the Jeeps' hill assist feature at the time.

It turned out that when you take your foot of the gas pedal, the computer is already getting the parameters together and thinks you are going to stop. Already applying the brakes sort of speak. In any event I fianlly got tired of driving like I am riding around with my emergency brake on at 30 MPH or below,, " YES, emergency brake was off,,lol " I did the hill assist de-activiation , and would you know it, that drag feeling as you mentioned , goes away. Major difference,, try it, you can always turn it back on.

I agree with you, I sometimes like to coast to a red light, so the time I get to it , the light goes green , and less on the brakes on better fuel economy. The dragging feeling was so bad, sometimes going down a hill, I would have to acceralte to keep up with the speed limit, to make that hill assist computer reset it self for that moment. At times It would also confuse the hell out of the tranny, Jeep is slowing down, and now you need to accerlate to get it out of the mode, and slip,, back into gear..... It also depends on your driving, if you drive in hilly terrian on back roads, you might know what I am reffering to.

I am not starting a anti Hill Assist feature thread here. If it works for you , thats great. I am just happy that Chrysler made a de-activation for it. Guess they knew not everyone was going to like the way it worked.

Hope this helps.

It can't be the HSA, because that only engages when you are at a full stop and on an 8% or greater incline, it's in the manual.


But I do know what you mean by the engine brakeing feeling when slowing down and I do agree feathering the gas pedal resolves the issue. Could it be a result of the gearing in the automatic maybe?
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It can't be the HSA, because that only engages when you are at a full stop and on an 8% or greater incline, it's in the manual.


But I do know what you mean by the engine brakeing feeling when slowing down and I do agree feathering the gas pedal resolves the issue. Could it be a result of the gearing in the automatic maybe?
I agree , I thought the same thing, How could it be the hill assist? Which is one of the reasons why I waited soo long to disable it. As soon as I disabled it, I notice the brake drag feeling disappear right away. Apparently it has to do with something , were as to you let up on the gas pedal, the hill assist system is starting activate slowly,yeah I know , it does not make sense, I totally agree, but as you have seen , it makes a difference. I was told by other members if there was a way to disable the ECO Gas Saver Mode, it would be even better, but no dealer has any clue what the hell I am talking about. The 2011's have the ECO Mode as atoggle on/off user option, I thought for sure after reading that, with the previous Wrangler JK's the dealer could turn it off on their end,,,, NOPE- Not happening

I am still very happy to at least disable the Hill Assist, at least that has made a 80% difference for me. As I mentioned , I think it also varies on your terrian and driving habbits. I travel through a lot of mountainous roads, so , for me having it off is big difference.

I have been driving automatics for years, I never needed a anti roll back device before. I might understand the owners wheeling, could see the advantage, but not every day driving. If it didnot have the brake drag feeling while driving 30 mph or below , then I would not have an issue with it.

Just happy it was auser selelctable option wheel dance...lol If anybody has any info regarding shuting off the ECO Mode with any wheel or buttion dance on the earlier JK's please chime in , much appreciated.
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As far as the tranny downshift, it is possible. My Jeep still has that feeling after the disable, "Which is normal" but no brake drag, which was my major issue. I understand that the Jeep has a brick like design and does not roll like a avergae vehicle. But , at the same time , I have moded many of the older american SUV's and trucks from late 70's and 80's that were heavy and square like heavy similar to our JK's, with lifts and big tires, any never expierenced brake drag as I did on my JK before the disable of the hill assist.

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All that sounds like an "unintended consequence" of the HSA. And, I also don't see a need for HSA on an AT. Somebody in design just got a little carried away.
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I have noticed the lack of coasting in the JK vs. the TJ as well.... Don't like it much, but I drive entirely differently than hubby does, and the JK is his DD.... I just figured it was just another nuance to get accustomed to.
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Wow, I checked this thread for a couple of days after I posted my question and it had no responses. I am glad I checked it again, because it came back to life.

I am going to try to disable the hill assist when I get time to see if it makes any difference on mine. Like some others have said, it does seem to confuse the tranny, it feels like it doesn't know whether to downshift or up shift.

I saw this while I was out getting some grub from my phone, I tried the slight pressure on the gas pedal advice on the way home. It did seem to help although it would take some getting used to. I am going to try the disable before I go out again, thanks
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their are things called owner manual's read them first get to know your jeep, I mean those of you that are wanting to know what this is or what it does either you have it or not. Try to find some of this out your self in the owner MANUAL. It just gets old. O hay I am going to by a fighter jet, I will just be flying it but I have no intentions of reading the owner manual but I will just ask every one else about it even if my jet does not come with some things that others do. WTF. O and their are two threads on this to

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