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Old 08-19-2011, 02:20 PM   #61
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Resale value- NO, appeal- MAYBE
What is your definition of resale value??

Would a JK with the 3.8 vs. a JK with a Hemi or diesel sell for the same amount on the used market?

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What is your definition of resale value??

Would a JK with the 3.8 vs. a JK with a Hemi or diesel sell for the same amount on the used market?
Good question, I myself get confused.

That would be the "value of the sale" -lol
Which in that case would depend on APPEAL and/or mods that might get more money when sold.

Most people think of resale value as "book
value" and that's what most go buy when buying a vehicle. If book is $12,000 and a person is looking to get $15,000-- I'm
Going to pass, unless it has upgrades that
are worth the increase (hemi)

Just my opinion--could be way off

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Good question, I myself get confused.

That would be the "value of the sale" -lol
Which in that case would depend on APPEAL and/or mods that might get more money when sold.

Most people think of resale value as "book
value" and that's what most go buy when buying a vehicle. If book is $12,000 and a person is looking to get $15,000-- I'm
Going to pass, unless it has upgrades that
are worth the increase (hemi)

Just my opinion--could be way off
Okay so you are not debating that a 2012 will have a higher resale as a 2011 then?

You are just saying that the 3.6L doesn't appeal to you as much as a 3.8L so it doesn't have more value to you?

Have you driven one? ha ha ha. Obviously not

Btw...I'm just giving you a hard time. I think you are wrong, but can respect your opinion. You are just defending what you own, which is human instinct.
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Okay so you are not debating that a 2012 will have a higher resale as a 2011 then?

You are just saying that the 3.6L doesn't appeal to you as much as a 3.8L so it doesn't have more value to you?

Have you driven one? ha ha ha. Obviously not
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Ha ha ha. I didn't realize the whole first page of this thread was on resale value.

Daggo, while I agree with a lot that you say, you are wrong on this one.

2012s will/do have better resale than 2011s. Sometimes I think you just love to argue

Let me explain my point this way. I believe that the 2012 will not "hold" it's value any better than any other year JK. That's what I mean by resale value. You are discussing retail "price". Yes, the newer year will always have a higher price. The relationship from year to year, will remain the same however. One year after I bought my 2009, the resale price was exactly the same as the new price. That's a high resale value.

Let's say a that in 2 years a used 2011 is 10% less than it was new. In 3 years I'm saying that a 2012 will be the same 10%. If you think it will have a higher resale value, then it would be less than 10%. Even at the same 10% it would cost more than the 2011 because it is newer.
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Who cares, buy what you like. Really? Is it that big of an issue? If "speed"/a bit more power is what is important to you, go 2012. If having a jeep in general and saving some scratch on a new one, buy a 2011. Really, it is as simple as that. I bought 2011 for well below 30K, could've waited for 2012 for "more power", but why.

And to the naysayers about the 3.8L mileage, I'll tell you I got 21.92 in ~ 30% city-70% hwy driving on a trip last night. Usually, I avg 18.5 or thereabouts in 50/50 driving on my 5 mile commute to work, but then again I drive like an adult, not like a 16 yo kid with a new DL.
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Well explained ^^ (Daggo)

Brons. Do you think the 12 will be worth more because of the new engine? I don't
recall any wrangler for thy matter "losing value" when a new model or engine became available.

And agreed tx
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Well explained ^^ (Daggo)

Brons. Do you think the 12 will be worth more because of the new engine? I don't
recall any wrangler for thy matter "losing value" when a new model or engine became available.

And agreed tx
Some of these new 2012 owners are just strange, they think everyone that doesn't praise the 2012 is "jealous" or "cannot afford" a 2012. Just a strange group, putting all their destination data/transporation info as if anyone cares.

This is the only group that I have seen care so much about "speed" in a Wrangler BTW. Most previous year model owners I have ever talked to were more interested in offroading, but not this "Psuedo Speed" Wrangler group ....

Everyone has encoutered people like that, they are known as "braggits"
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Some of these new 2012 owners are just strange, they think everyone that doesn't praise the 2012 is "jealous" or "cannot afford" a 2012. Just a strange group, putting all their destination data/transporation info as if anyone cares.

This is the only group that I have seen care so much about "speed" in a Wrangler BTW. Most previous year model owners I have ever talked to were more interested in offroading, but not this "Psuedo Speed" Wrangler group ....

Everyone has encoutered people like that, they are known as "braggits"
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I could have got financed at 1.9% for 72 months on a 2011 or 2.25% for 72 months on a 2012. Both of these were offered from the selling dealer. I buy at AP due to the company I work for so both were 1% below invoice.

Which do you think I got? Sure, I could have spent time haggling for a better price on the 2011 but why?
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Let me explain my point this way. I believe that the 2012 will not "hold" it's value any better than any other year JK. That's what I mean by resale value. You are discussing retail "price". Yes, the newer year will always have a higher price. The relationship from year to year, will remain the same however. One year after I bought my 2009, the resale price was exactly the same as the new price. That's a high resale value.

Let's say a that in 2 years a used 2011 is 10% less than it was new. In 3 years I'm saying that a 2012 will be the same 10%. If you think it will have a higher resale value, then it would be less than 10%. Even at the same 10% it would cost more than the 2011 because it is newer.
Fully agree Tom.

In your example a 2012 is 10 percent ahead of a new 2011 right now. Its just something for new buyers to factor in. If they buy a 2011 they are a year into it. Probably not a big deal because resale is high for all wranglers.
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Well explained ^^ (Daggo)

Brons. Do you think the 12 will be worth more because of the new engine? I don't
recall any wrangler for thy matter "losing value" when a new model or engine became available.

And agreed tx
Yes the different engine will affect value the same as a diesel or hemi would. It all depends on what the majority of prospective jeep buyers feel. So far folks that have drove both like the 3.6 better so it looks that way.
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I'm not sure I understand your response. Do you not think the Jeep will last 6 years? Total interest paid over the life of the loan is $2300, big deal.
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Now, all of that BS aside, anyone who buys a Wrangler on the basis of resale value is a nut job. You drive a Wrangler till it dies. Then it becomes a dedicated trail rig and you buy another one as your tow vehicle. I made the mistake selling my CJ7 and I still regret it.

How's this for resale value. It was a 1980 CJ7 Renegade that I bought in 1982 for 6K. I sold it in 1988. It had 158K miles on it. The engine was tired and needed to be rebuilt. The floor boards were rusted through. The rear section of the tub were barely hanging on. you could wiggle them freely. It had an automatic transmission that wouldn't stay in park. Ready for this? I sold it for $2300.
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Some of these new 2012 owners are just strange, they think everyone that doesn't praise the 2012 is "jealous" or "cannot afford" a 2012. Just a strange group, putting all their destination data/transporation info as if anyone cares.

This is the only group that I have seen care so much about "speed" in a Wrangler BTW. Most previous year model owners I have ever talked to were more interested in offroading, but not this "Psuedo Speed" Wrangler group ....

Everyone has encoutered people like that, they are known as "braggits"
I care about it enough because i primarily drive on highways for work and i can appreciate anything extra. Look the people with 2012s love them and are proud of them. There seem to be a group of 3.8 owners offended by that. Sure the ones that bash the 3.8s deserve it. But i'll tell you flat out i like the performance of the 3.6 and new trans better without bashing the 3.8. Ive wanted a jku for several years but held off because of highway driving that i do. The 2012 was the answer for me.
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Now, all of that BS aside, anyone who buys a Wrangler on the basis of resale value is a nut job. You drive a Wrangler till it dies. Then it becomes a dedicated trail rig and you buy another one as your tow vehicle. I made the mistake selling my CJ7 and I still regret it.

How's this for resale value. It was a 1980 CJ7 Renegade that I bought in 1982 for 6K. I sold it in 1988. It had 158K miles on it. The engine was tired and needed to be rebuilt. The floor boards were rusted through. The rear section of the tub were barely hanging on. you could wiggle them freely. It had an automatic transmission that wouldn't stay in park. Ready for this? I sold it for $2300.
I totally agree.
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I care about it enough because i primarily drive on highways for work and i can appreciate anything extra. Look the people with 2012s love them and are proud of them. There seem to be a group of 3.8 owners offended by that. Sure the ones that bash the 3.8s deserve it. But i'll tell you flat out i like the performance of the 3.6 and new trans better without bashing the 3.8. Ive wanted a jku for several years but held off because of highway driving that i do. The 2012 was the answer for me.
Not offended. Somehow the 2012'ers think they're better than other JK's. I've tried to get some of them to venture outside their little thread. I couldn't help but think about all the enjoyment I've had in my Jeep while they spent time hitting "refresh".

I feel sad for some of them in that this have figured out the whole Jeep experience yet. It's not about the HP or MPG. No highway in MD (that I'm aware of) has a speed limit higher than 65.

I haven't seen any of them discussing where or when they are going wheeling yet.
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Lol.... He beat me to it

There is a a lot of people that never considered a wrangler for a DD until a "perfect wrangler" came about. First the JKU and now the new engine and I don't have a problem with them, just don't buy your first jeep and talk s*** about previous models and/or engines. if you drove the 3.8 and now the 3.6 and express an honest opinion-that's great. I agree with Tx, wranglers are bought more for DD's where in the past-not so much. The new engine fits their needs perfectly. NOW let's gets some reviews of them ripping up the trails
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Not offended. Somehow the 2012'ers think they're better than other JK's. I've tried to get some of them to venture outside their little thread. I couldn't help but think about all the enjoyment I've had in my Jeep while they spent time hitting "refresh".

I feel sad for some of them in that this have figured out the whole Jeep experience yet. It's not about the HP or MPG. No highway in MD (that I'm aware of) has a speed limit higher than 65.

I haven't seen any of them discussing where or when they are going wheeling yet.
Like I said, they are a weird crowd no doubt. Fast is worth waiting for, meanwhile I am out at the beach checking out all the snatch with the tops off, while they are discussing their 0-60 times. Weird bunch I say, but what do I know....
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Flashback to the first qtr, of 2006--

Now if you replace the "2012" handles with "JK/JKU", the TJ'rs were having the same conversations--

The never ending story-

It don't matter tome !!

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Man you guys are all worked up over this. I haven't seen too many people bashing the 3.8s (a few yes). I sure haven't.


Lifes too short to be pissed off and grumpy.
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Okay so you are not debating that a 2012 will have a higher resale as a 2011 then?

You are just saying that the 3.6L doesn't appeal to you as much as a 3.8L so it doesn't have more value to you?

Have you driven one? ha ha ha. Obviously not

Btw...I'm just giving you a hard time. I think you are wrong, but can respect your opinion. You are just defending what you own, which is human instinct.
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Fully agree Tom.

In your example a 2012 is 10 percent ahead of a new 2011 right now. Its just something for new buyers to factor in. If they buy a 2011 they are a year into it. Probably not a big deal because resale is high for all wranglers.
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I care about it enough because i primarily drive on highways for work and i can appreciate anything extra. Look the people with 2012s love them and are proud of them. There seem to be a group of 3.8 owners offended by that. Sure the ones that bash the 3.8s deserve it. But i'll tell you flat out i like the performance of the 3.6 and new trans better without bashing the 3.8. Ive wanted a jku for several years but held off because of highway driving that i do. The 2012 was the answer for me.
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Man you guys are all worked up over this. I haven't seen too many people bashing the 3.8s (a few yes). I sure haven't.


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Now, all of that BS aside, anyone who buys a Wrangler on the basis of resale value is a nut job. You drive a Wrangler till it dies. Then it becomes a dedicated trail rig and you buy another one as your tow vehicle. I made the mistake selling my CJ7 and I still regret it.

How's this for resale value. It was a 1980 CJ7 Renegade that I bought in 1982 for 6K. I sold it in 1988. It had 158K miles on it. The engine was tired and needed to be rebuilt. The floor boards were rusted through. The rear section of the tub were barely hanging on. you could wiggle them freely. It had an automatic transmission that wouldn't stay in park. Ready for this? I sold it for $2300.
Daggo...guessing "66" is year of birth? All of these dates line up with mine. I am in MD too...where are you located, Eastern Shore?
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Flashback to the first qtr, of 2006--

Now if you replace the "2012" handles with "JK/JKU", the TJ'rs were having the same conversations--

The never ending story-

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Like I said, they are a weird crowd no doubt. Fast is worth waiting for, meanwhile I am out at the beach checking out all the snatch with the tops off, while they are discussing their 0-60 times. Weird bunch I say, but what do I know....
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I will check back in on this thread when we have some REAL resale answers in two years!

Until then I will be hitting my browser reload button refreshing my order status on my new Flame Red JKU S....2012 of course!
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I will check back in on this thread when we have some REAL resale answers in two years!

Until then I will be hitting my browser reload button refreshing my order status on my new Flame Red JKU S....2012 of course!
Don't forget to take your Holy Grail Jeep by Pinks all out when you get done hitting "browser reload button", then make sure everyone gets to see your new times in your sig while your "refreshing"...... and last but not least, stop your computer by one of your computer geek friends at Best Buy for a tuneup from all that "refresh"........

Meanwhile, I am going to go drive my jeep (2011 of course) down the beach tomorrow after work, digging the fine ass chicks, living life
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Hi there. Forum newbie here

Forgive me for highjacking, but which of my CJ5's should I invest in for mods: the '71 with Dauntless V6, or the '80 with 304 V8?



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