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Old 04-14-2011, 10:24 AM   #31
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18 hours, wow!

So, with the HDD... have you managed to find a way to get your songs to shuffle/play randomly?

I loaded up 780 songs on mine the other day, and so far have heard the same 2 songs over and over, because it starts at song #1 every time I start it up.

I have not figured out how to use the voice command to find a particular song/artist yet, but perhaps I need to do the VR training session.

I hear of older vehicles with this type of media center actually have an itunes setup, (Dodge for eg) mine is just like the CD setup, with no random feature.

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Oh, I also read that the 403N was 'out of stock' for awhile, so some of the newer vehicles were made with the 730N instead, with a $300 credit applied. But then again, I have been ALL OVER the internet trying to decipher between rumors and speculation.

I am still unclear on what is going on with the RHB and any updates, but I cannot imagine Chrysler having to listen to all this complaining at just leave us hanging. Or would they? I would be pissed if I owned a new iPhone and could not use the BT feature... or any other newer phone for that matter.

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With less than 500 miles on the clock, my 2011 2dr is going back to the dealer for another water leak (hard top) and so while it's there I plan to press them hard about replacing my 430N with a 730 that will do what the literature promises. I don't expect satisfaction, but since I'll be there anyway, I figured I may as well try.
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I haven't had any problems with my hard top yet, but within a week of purchase, my GPS unit kept shutting down, rebooting over and over and had to be replaced.
No problems since then however.
Good to you!
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With less than 500 miles on the clock, my 2011 2dr is going back to the dealer for another water leak (hard top) and so while it's there I plan to press them hard about replacing my 430N with a 730 that will do what the literature promises. I don't expect satisfaction, but since I'll be there anyway, I figured I may as well try.
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i have a "11 Sahara Unlimited built in Feb '11, ordered w/ the 430N, but the 730N was substituted (w/ $300 credit) happily i wanted the 730N but didnt want to spend the extra money. I have Droid 2 and the bluetooth streaming works with no issues.
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Where was your top leaking?
To OP - Sorry for the hijack....

It was leaking around the door seals...or so they thought. I think it's running down the A-pillar somehow. Don't know...it's their problem to find it and fix it.

and now back to your regularly scheduled program....
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sylvan sahara,

is that 730N the RER or RHR? My local dealer has in stock a sahara with everything I want but the 430N radio on lot. I am skeptical to buy it with the problems i am hearing and the service department has no clue of issues. Any thoughts?
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the 730N is the RHR according to my invoice. why is it that you would want the 430 vs 730, assuming price isnt the issue?
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RER, RHB Phone Issues

I don't know where someone got the info that the 730N (RER) has replaced the 430N (RHB). It's the other way around. The 730N, RER came out in 2007 and was discontinued at the end of 2010. All new 2011 models are now equipped with the 430N, RHB as an option and has some more enhancements. There are other versions available for other countries.

Personally, I would not bother with all the extra do-dads. We'er driving Jeeps, remember. The navigation feature is the best for all uses, especially back roads if you get lost.

If you really want to use U-Connect, you may have to have the dealer flash your system so it's recognized. Then do the phone pairing.
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my '11 ordered first wk of feb and delv'd last wk of feb, was ordered w/ the 430N and Jeep changed the order to the 730N, while also issuing an automatic credit on invoice for $500 for upgraded unit. I cannot imagine them charging more money for a less capable, less featured unit. the 730 has features not on the 430. in addition the 430N has been removed off the "build your own" on the jeep website. the 730's HDD will hold less songs/photos or whatever you load it w/, i was told that is because the nav system in the 730 is a better system and uses up more of the 30GB of HDD memory.

from the '11 Wrangler brochure
Media Center 430N CD/DVD radio with MP3/WMA support, 30GB hard drive with 6700 song capacity, 6.5-inch touch screen, Sirius Satellite Radio, audio jack, Voice Command Garmin Navigation, Sirius Traffic, Sirius Travel Link, and Uconnect Phone.
MSRP $1035(when still on website)

Media Center 730N CD/DVD radio with MP3/WMA support, 30GB hard drive with 4250 song capacity, 6.5 inch touch screen, Sirius Satellite Radio, audio jack, Voice Command GPS Navigation, Sirius Traffic and UConnect Phone.
MSRP $1845

* also told (w/ no proof) that the nav on the 430 is a Garmin, while the 730 is a better Harmon Kardon system that used more HDD capacity
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i would say that to substitue(automatically) and to charging more for an older phased out or replacement system, is not likely. but i guess you never know, if Chrysler/Jeep has been getting people to do that...shame on me/us that got the 730N, and were lead to and believe we got and paid for a better more advanced system. I do know that i used the nav in a 430 before i got the 730(on a test drive) and it seemed more "cartoonish" and not as detailed.
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According what I have read, the 730N has more features, but they 'ran out of' (read: having problems with?) the 430N so Chrysler was substituting and giving a credit to those who ordered the 430N. Anywhere from $320-500 is what I am seeing, even though the 730N is $500 more. They are not offering the 430N anymore and nobody knows if they ever will, after they get the problems fixed.

Here are their features, with the differences highlighted:


430N:
AM/FM/CD/DVD/MP3/HDD/NAV
Garmin navigation interface
Lane guidance feature guides you to the correct lane for an approaching turn or exit,
making unfamiliar intersections and exits easy to navigate
6.5" touch screen
SIRIUS Satellite Radio®
Satellite Radio replay buffer (last 30 minutes)
30GB hard drive (approx. 6,700 song capacity)
Audio jack for playing music through speakers
Album artwork
USB copy/read

Uconnect Voice Command (available)
- Hands-free Phone
- Remote USB port for iPod® connectivity (center console)
- Bluetooth streaming audio
- Hands-free SMS text messaging
- Allows control of music on iPod devices or memory sticks via voice command,
including song selection by ARTIST, SONG, and GENRE.
- Includes support for songs loaded onto USB memory sticks

730N:
Premium navigation radio with built-in Uconnect Voice Command and Enhanced GPS
6.5-inch Touch Screen
Single CD/DVD/MP3
Audio Jack
30 GB Hard Drive
Album Artwork
USB Copy only
SIRIUS Satellite Radio®
Harmon GPS Navigation
Uconnect Voice Command of phone , radio & music
iPod Control
Dead Reckoning
Split-screen capability
Voice Command of Navigation
Includes iPod® Control cable, which charges iPod compatible devices and allows remote control of music via radio or steering wheel controls
(uses the Chrysler connection kit as opposed to the USB port in the console which is wonky at best)



I kind of wish I had the 730N, because a lot of the features I would like to have are on it. I would especially love the iPod controls, because the media/AUX controls on the 430N are a little lame.

But because I did not order this Jeep, there is little I can do about it. But my dealer did make a huge deal out of it when he was selling it to us, so he is interested in an update for us so that all the features work as he (we) expected them to.

I found more info yesterday saying 2 things:

Sirius was putting out an update for the travel link .. but not everyone at Sirius knows about it. Some people there will tell you it is Chrysler's problem. But someone WAS told there was an update coming and it would include a subscription extension to the Sirius Service.

Chrysler is putting out (mailing I heard) a software update CD to all Jeep owners with the 430N RHB this month. But not everyone at Chrysler knows about it and says it is Apple's or Sirius's problem (depending on what problem you call them about).

So I would not complain if I got the 730N after having ordered the 430N, unless I really preferred the Garmin Nav over the other (but having only used Garmin..). But the 730N has 'Nav voice commands' which would be nice because you cannot Nav while driving the Garmin, even with a passenger.

The biggest problem I see right now is the uconnect/bluetooth media streaming. Some Apple products work, some don't. Some Droids work, some don't. Some people have phones that work and then when they update them they don't anymore. But that is a hard one to crack because the other manufacturers are always upgrading their systems and Chrysler would have to stay on top of that. Otherwise I see a whole bunch of media units not being able to play anything in a few years, as we move on to better phones and media players.

The may as well have put 8 tracks in there....

In any case, if you have an Apple product, there is a .pdf HERE from Chrysler that clearly shows that some products won't work, and SOME PRODUCTS WILL HAVE AN UPDATE COMING SOON TO IMPROVE FEATURES.

Hopefully this update will improve more than just Apple's products.
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Sylvan and Diesel, thanks for your information. Basically it comes down to this, The local dealer has EXACTLY the color and options in the sahara on the lot but it has the 430N installed, includes uconnect option. I am not in a rush and with all the little quirks I am reading, i am thinking should I just wait for them to get one with the 730N. The price difference is nice but nit the issue. Also I have the new Verizon 4G with the android 2.1.1os. Not sure if this be an issue. Trying to poll those who know both radios as to which one in the long run will be better.
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Sylvan and Diesel, thanks for your information. Basically it comes down to this, The local dealer has EXACTLY the color and options in the sahara on the lot but it has the 430N installed, includes uconnect option. I am not in a rush and with all the little quirks I am reading, i am thinking should I just wait for them to get one with the 730N. The price difference is nice but nit the issue. Also I have the new Verizon 4G with the android 2.1.1os. Not sure if this be an issue. Trying to poll those who know both radios as to which one in the long run will be better.
If you do decide to go with the Sahara on the lot I would suggest that you try to connect your new phone with Uconnect and also check the audio streaming before you close the deal just to get the results documented in case these items later become issues with you. As I said in a post above I am fine with my Droid X and iPhone4 on my Sahara but I am missing Travel Link and Real Time Traffic which you may not care about. Things are so messed up right now that you aren't really going to know about these unit/phone interactions until you actually try them for yourself.
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gfcleba not sure what area you live in, i'm in Detroit, and it took approx 3 1/2 wks for me to order a car and have it delivered. it has everything i wanted, including an oddball engine block heater(almost never find one with that in stock). the wait and anticipation made it seem like forever, but when i got the car built to my specs it was worth the wait.

i am also a music nut, so i use an ipod all the time and the ipod control feature w/ the 730N is fantastic!
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I was going to say the same thing! Go sit in the Jeep and try your phone out. But, this will not guarantee the phone will still work if you ever do an OS update, or get a new phone some day.

I am running the stock 2.1 on my Samsung and refuse to update to the new 2.2 just in case I lose connectivity. If that happened, I may as well have an 8 track LOL.

The bluetooth issues are most annoying, it plays in fast forward and keeps telling my phone to turn the media player on, and it is hard on the battery.

Then again, if we could get a definitive answer from Chrysler about an update, I am unsure what to tell you to do. I would hate to have to wait for something as asinine as a software problem to keep me from driving the thing off the lot!!

Good luck and keep us posted!
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UMM also that list of features and differences isnt 100% correct, i have the 730N and use the USB in console w/ my ipod connector cord, and all of the ipod features work w/ touch screen/steering wheel controls
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my friend has a dodge ram not sure which media center, but no usb plug and had to buy the connection cord mentioned above. i believe if you havethe in console usb plug you do not need the special cord
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That is what I understood (you do not need the special cable for the USB plug in the console).. that could have been an outdated feature list for all I know.

I also know someone with a Dodge ram who plugs his ipod into the glove compartment port and the iPod interface is on the screen. But it is not a 2011 Dodge either. The 430N-RHB does not use the iPod interface, not in the 2011 Jeep, it is the exact same interface you have with a CD inserted or while using the HDD.

The problem is, with the 430N the USB port does not always work. 95% of the time I get an ERROR after READING when I connect a device. ALl over the web I see people with this problem. I do not seem to find anyone with the 730N having these issues, and I seem to read that the 730N uses the itunes interface so when you plug in your iProduct, the iPod logo pops up and works the same way.

At first I thought it was the version software the iPod had, but now it appears it will only connect depending on how you hold your mouth, the position of the moon and whether or not your Dog has been fed that day. I just have not quite figured out that perfect sequence yet LOL

I have 2 iPod touches, with different software.. sometimes they connect sometimes they don't and the bluetooth does not work AT ALL for media streaming on either. (bluetooth will not connect but my Droid phone does, it just streams music double time. The phone works GREAT and so does my Hubby's 3yo Motorola.


So for now, I use the HDD loaded with 780 songs and listen to the same songs over and over until I am finally able to get the thing to change at a red light... even my plain Jane CD player on the '09 JKU would start playing the CD where you left off when you shut it off. This 430N starts every time at song #1. CD or HDD.

The other option is the audio jack, then you can at least use itunes on your ipod to control the music but that defeats the purpose of all the things my dealer was so excited about.
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i am curious do you have the Connectivity Group, with your 430N? That includes the USB in the console another USB on the dash/head unit that will not seem to do the ipod interface. The dash/head unit USB seems to only work w/ a flash drive for me so far to download pictures/music into the HDD in the head unit
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I do have connectivity group (I have the sticker right here, it was a $495 option PLUS $1,200 for the 430N Media Center))... and it does work, only rarely. The USB port on the front IS only for transferring, so you are correct.

I also tried a Sansa media player in the USB port and nothing happened at all, not even a error. So I am just using my HDD for now or listening to FM radio (not a fan of Sirius radio just yet).

I do wish there was a RANDOM/SHUFFLE on it though, I do not know how they could have possibly missed that feature.

What I want a fix for is the bluetooth streaming (it connects right away no problems) and the USB port to work 100% of the time and to just leave an iPod hidden away in the armrest (it charges while the Jeep is running so that is nice). As for the Travel Link, I don't know how much I would use it around here in Armpit Alberta, and I am not even certain it was supposed to be included, I don't see it on the sticker beside the Sirius Option ($275) and the button is greyed out when I try to click on it.

FTR: NONE of the ports/DC/120V charging plugs in the Jeep will charge an iPad either. I thought the 120V one would but it doesn't.
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Dieselbud...thanks for the updates. I'll tough it out another month and see if I get an update CD in the mail.

I played with both systems and, while I like the simplistic interface and "cartoonish" jeep driving along in the 430N, I wouldn't complain at all if Chrysler decided to swap out my Nav for a RHR. I guess I need to start a file.

I don't know how much stock to put into it, but I did see a few postings on another Jeep site saying they've heard "late 2011" for the update now.
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I did some follow up with the RHB manufacturer regarding the concerns I initially posted. Here is the response thus far (it appears that I have more research to do!)

Hi Steve,

Thank you very much for your email. The RHB radio is not designed to interface with the Android or any other mobile device. That is a function of the HFM (Hands Free Module), which is manufactured by another supplier. Unfortunately, I have no information on what software updates may or may not be available for the HFM. You will need to contact the manufacturer, Peiker Acoustics, for information on that.

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Well crappity crap!! My Droid works just fine for the hands free phone feature. It is just the bluetooth streaming that doesn't

That sounds like a weird answer, "the RBH is not designed to interface with the Android or any other mobile device" then WTF was it designed for? Especially when it DOES work for some, and does not work for a lot of newer iPhone either.

I am even more confused when they go from talking about the RHB radio to the HFM. Those are 2 different things...

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i am just guessing that the HFM(hands free module) is part of the connectivity group or Uconnect, and not part of the 430N media center head unit itself
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[QUOTE=Dieselbud;1185248]

I am even more confused when they go from talking about the RHB radio to the HFM. Those are 2 different things...

i am just guessing that the HFM(hands free module) is part of the connectivity group, and not part of the 430N media center head unit itself

QUOTE]

Yes, this is all ridiculous. The head unit is a Mitsubishi Electronics Device. The UConnect module (as Chrysler has named it) is what gives us the cell phone connectivity, for whatever cell feature you may (or may not) be having issues with, is manufactured by Pieker Acoustics. Chrysler calls the whole system a "Infinity Sound System", I guess cause of the speakers and sub.
I realize it works perfectly for some of you, but clearly it has issues. I find it ironic that the RHB is suddenly not being used on the newest manufactured Wranglers (heck mine was just built in November and it is already gone!).
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Infinity to me is a sideways 8. An endless loop.

yeah, that sounds like the perfect name for it LOL
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When I dropped off my 2011 2dr wrangler (less than 500 miles) at the dealer for the 2nd time for rain leak fix, I took them the current Jeep literature off the Jeep website, pointed out that it said the 430N does all this "stuff" that it doesn't do, and asked them to start a warranty ticket on it. My view is simply, "fix" the radio so it does everything the literature claims (voice control of nav, SIRIUS Travel and SIRIUS Traffic). If you can't fix it, replace it with a unit that will do what the literature claims.

Pretty simple in my view.

The service writer had recently taken a course in the various radios and has had other customers complain, but I think I am the first to demand that they put it in as a warranty claim. Should be an interesting discussion.

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