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Old 01-05-2011, 11:19 AM   #1
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2011 Wrangler Unlimited dual top question

Hello all! I recently took delivery of my 2011 Wrangler Unlimited: Sahara, which came with the dual-top option. Of course, the hard top was on, but what surprised me is that the soft top (well, most of it) is installed and folded down. I'll try to explain the visual: It is connected to the bars that fold it back and forth and the top itself is currently wrapped in the factory shipping cover with an orange sticker on it stating that "the owner of the vehicle must remove this sticker". It is folded back and rests pretty much right at the seam where the door meets the window. Here is my problem and question. As it currently is (with the hard top on) it does not appear that I can "slightly" lift the soft top to allow for greater access to the cargo area. In short, the soft top is obstructing the opening when the rear door and window are open only a relatively small object can fit between the soft top and either the top of the vehicle, or the floor of the cargo area. Is there any way that I can "lift" the soft top, whilst connected to the bars as is with the hard top on, to achieve a greater opening and access to the cargo area, then lay the soft top back down to its resting position once I have either placed an object in, or removed an object from, the cargo area? Thank you in advance.
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Hey, yeah I had the same cargo concerns with my 2011 Unlimited. After messing with it a bit I figured out the only way is to take the hard top off, undo the four bolts that hold on the soft top frame and remove it, then reinstall the hardtop. It took only 15-20 minutes and required a helper to lift the hard top. Pretty easy though.

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Short answer is no, you can't really do that.

One of the tops need to be removed as soon as possible. If you're leaving the hard top on for the time being, you need to remove it once to remove the soft top before it becomes damaged (which will void any warranty on it).
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Congrats on your Jeep.

Read this: (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dua...ion-62055.html).

The two tops are on for shipping purposes only. One of them has to come off very soon. If you want the hard top on for the winter, you've got to unattach and lift the hard top, remove the soft top from underneath, and reattach the hard top.
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Thank you for the information. I WISH they would have told me at the dealership that the soft top needs removed. I will remove and store the soft top for the winter. Question though, "how" could it become damaged if it is not being moved (up or down) and is just sitting there. I have not tried to move it. I would think that Jeep would not install and ship it that way if it will cause a problem, and thus void the warrenty. Thank you!
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Hmm... Does everyone who gets a hardtop get the softop too?
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Hmm... Does everyone who gets a hardtop get the softop too?
NO, it's what ever package you get.
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Question though, "how" could it become damaged if it is not being moved (up or down) and is just sitting there.
My 2010 owners manual offers this helpful tidbit: "Removal is mandatory to prevent any possible wear and tear on the soft top." Helpful, no?

My guess is that the vibration from driving will eventually cause the hardtop to wear on the fabric in the soft top. Just a guess though.

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Hmm... Does everyone who gets a hardtop get the softop too?
Nope. It's the "dual top group."
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Thank you for the information. I WISH they would have told me at the dealership that the soft top needs removed. I will remove and store the soft top for the winter. Question though, "how" could it become damaged if it is not being moved (up or down) and is just sitting there. I have not tried to move it. I would think that Jeep would not install and ship it that way if it will cause a problem, and thus void the warrenty. Thank you!
Trust me, be glad they do... Some are shipped in boxes in the back of the Jeep. Putting together a new one from scratch is an exercise in patience, skills and intestinal fortitude... The instructions are virtually worthless, and it's a wonder we're still married....
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1) It was the "dual-top group" package: hard top was on, "some" of the soft top (the coverage and swing bars) were pseudo-installed, plus boxes in the back with additional soft top components (door frames, windows, etc.). Oh, and one more box... Covers for the removable hard top panels above the driver and passenger.

2) Yes, I can definitely see the "wear-and-tear" warning. One good thing, they also wrapped the soft top itself in a factory "shrink wrap".

3) Thanks for the "marriage" tip. I hope my recently betrothed fiancé will STILL be such after we "flop the tops" in the spring. Any other tips for a first time owner of a 2001 Wrangler Unlimited: Sahara? Prior to this I had a 2000 2-door sport. Thanks!
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The soft top will develop a hole/tear where it rubs on the hard top...get one off ASAP
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Trust me, be glad they do... Some are shipped in boxes in the back of the Jeep. Putting together a new one from scratch is an exercise in patience, skills and intestinal fortitude... The instructions are virtually worthless, and it's a wonder we're still married....
"...it's a wonder we're still married..."

LMAO!!

To respond to the original thread - took order on Oct 06, 2010, on my Jeep with the dual top and am compelled to wait until Spring to make transition between tops. I have gone and examined contact points (e.g., friction) and discovered none. Vehicle was transferred to dealership in Arkansas from mid-Texas and I drove to central Mississippi and have left as is - have to until then.

I track responses to this (and other related posts) as I am somewhat concerned for "us's" if there is a real damage potential.

"...it's a wonder we're still married..."..........Thanks for the chuckle - no poo-poo, that just killed me.

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Little more clarity perhaps - I was too tickled earlier ("...its a wonder.." comment).

My delivery was the soft-top collapsed and wrapped versus a deployed state. Wrapped all the way around.


Having said that, pivot points were all that I may see potential wear towards.

May be way off here and convincing myself that it's alright until Spring.

Again, novice here and watching this post along with you!
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Hi,

I bought my new 2010 Wrangler JK in October and had the same issue. I wasn't sure how to take the hard top off so I could get to the soft top, so I took it to the dealer and they gladly set up an appointment for me to take it in. I used my camera to take pictures while they removed the hard top, then removed the soft top, then put the hard top back on, and put the soft top inside the cargo area for me to take home and store in my garage. The whole process only took two guys about a half hour, and that included them looking for the right size allen wrench for about 7 minutes. My obstructed cargo area is no longer a problem. The dealer said they'd be happy to show me how to swap them back again next summer when I want the soft top on.
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Little more clarity perhaps - I was too tickled earlier ("...its a wonder.." comment).

My delivery was the soft-top collapsed and wrapped versus a deployed state. Wrapped all the way around.


Having said that, pivot points were all that I may see potential wear towards.

May be way off here and convincing myself that it's alright until Spring.

Again, novice here and watching this post along with you!
I can't possibly imagine you wanting both on and having zero usable storage space. That and wanting to be a guinea pig to see if damage will occur to something that will cost you a minimum of $600 to replace.
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Little more clarity perhaps - I was too tickled earlier ("...its a wonder.." comment).

My delivery was the soft-top collapsed and wrapped versus a deployed state. Wrapped all the way around.

Having said that, pivot points were all that I may see potential wear towards.

May be way off here and convincing myself that it's alright until Spring.

Again, novice here and watching this post along with you!
It'll drive you crazy. And to what possible benefit?

Nice Jeep, btw.
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Hi,

I bought my new 2010 Wrangler JK in October and had the same issue. I wasn't sure how to take the hard top off so I could get to the soft top, so I took it to the dealer and they gladly set up an appointment for me to take it in. I used my camera to take pictures while they removed the hard top, then removed the soft top, then put the hard top back on, and put the soft top inside the cargo area for me to take home and store in my garage. The whole process only took two guys about a half hour, and that included them looking for the right size allen wrench for about 7 minutes. My obstructed cargo area is no longer a problem. The dealer said they'd be happy to show me how to swap them back again next summer when I want the soft top on.
How could they put it back in the cargo area without it not having the top be removed again to get it out? If they can do that then i'm going to make an appoinment with my dealer to have it done. I have a two door so maybe they can't do it that way?

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How could they put it back in the cargo area without it not having the top be removed again to get it out? If they can do that then i'm going to make an appoinment with my dealer to have it done. I have a two door so maybe they can't do it that way?

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If the soft top is removed, and folded, you should be able to get it out through the backwindow/tailgate.....
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Glad we opted for just the hard top. Were going to get dual, but upon reflection realized the soft would have to be stored in the barn with various barn critters (fox, mice, groundhogs, birds etc) and that was not a good option for the top. Besides, if I'm taking the top off, I'm taking the to off! Dogs will just have to stay home those days. I am thinking about a bikini (is that right) top for the summer.
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How could they put it back in the cargo area without it not having the top be removed again to get it out? If they can do that then i'm going to make an appoinment with my dealer to have it done. I have a two door so maybe they can't do it that way?

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Hi Mik, I have a 4 door. When the seats were down, there was plenty of room for it in the cargo area. You've got a point, with a two door, you would have to find another way to transport it back home. It was really easy to take off, and the manual shows the screw locations. It just can't be done with the hard top on. The hard top was also surprisingly easy to remove and reinstall. I'm sure I can do it myself when I go to put the soft top back on this next spring. It was nice though for the dealer to offer this at no charge. After paying what I paid for the jeep, I'll take whatever freebies they're willing to offer.
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Glad I read this. I did ask the dealer about removing the soft top, they didn't suggest there was any hurry, but since it's winter I asked and they said I could use an area in their heated garage to remove the top and apply a coat of wax.
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How could they put it back in the cargo area without it not having the top be removed again to get it out? If they can do that then i'm going to make an appoinment with my dealer to have it done. I have a two door so maybe they can't do it that way?

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Ya, I think the 2 door version might be too short to fit the top inside. When they did this on mine, they folded down my rear seats, then put it in longways. You would probably have to hang it out the rear window and drive slowly or something. My dealer here in Everett is pretty eager to keep me happy. They've already invited me back for a "new owners forum" where the heads of the parts, service departments put it up on the rack and gave me a tour of it, and let me ask questions that I had raised after owning it a month. They're offering to show me one more time how to put the soft top back on AND how to raise and lower it (not that easy I guess??? Youtube videos show that there are some tricks to it). When I have them swap it back, I will have to remove my hard top at home and leave it, put the soft top in the back and drive it over there so they can install the soft top. I won't have a way to take home the hard top in that case. No problem. I am excited for the soft top. The removable top was THEE decision maker for me to get a wrangler over any other SUV on the market. I think the JK's look better with soft tops and I like the open air. In fact, I have been looking at bikini tops for the hot part of summer. They look REAL good in those.
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Definitely would have trouble putting a 2 door soft top inside the hard top. Mine fit, but just barely with one of the back seats folded down. Didn't plan that well as I had my two boys (6 & 7) with me and their booster seats were tough to setup on the larger of the back seat halves.

Hard top was very easy to take off, just large, bulky and unwieldy. Not sure the wife & I can take it off ourselves, but I'll rig something up in the garage to help if needed. Live just a mile from the Atlantic for the next year, so this will definitely have a life as a beach Jeep for at least the next summer. I'll be ordering the bikini top in the coming months. Read a post recently about a new Jeep owner going topless for 4 hours once they bought their Jeep and coming home with a horrible sunburn.
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Read some of the posts about the RACOR lift, for hardtop removing-easy and done by one person !!


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Definitely would have trouble putting a 2 door soft top inside the hard top. Mine fit, but just barely with one of the back seats folded down. Didn't plan that well as I had my two boys (6 & 7) with me and their booster seats were tough to setup on the larger of the back seat halves.

Hard top was very easy to take off, just large, bulky and unwieldy. Not sure the wife & I can take it off ourselves, but I'll rig something up in the garage to help if needed. Live just a mile from the Atlantic for the next year, so this will definitely have a life as a beach Jeep for at least the next summer. I'll be ordering the bikini top in the coming months. Read a post recently about a new Jeep owner going topless for 4 hours once they bought their Jeep and coming home with a horrible sunburn.
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Hi, I'm thinking about a 2012 Unlimited and have a question about the dual top. I get that you should remove one or the other but is it possible to just use the panels over the driver and passenger from the hard top and have the soft top rolled up and down just in case of bad weather? That way I'd have shade in the summer while going topless but have a back up plan if the weather goes south, just take off the two sections of the hard top and put up the soft top. Does that makes sense and can it be done that way?

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Hi, I'm thinking about a 2012 Unlimited and have a question about the dual top. I get that you should remove one or the other but is it possible to just use the panels over the driver and passenger from the hard top and have the soft top rolled up and down just in case of bad weather? That way I'd have shade in the summer while going topless but have a back up plan if the weather goes south, just take off the two sections of the hard top and put up the soft top. Does that makes sense and can it be done that way?

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No reason you can't do that, as long as you remove the freedom panels before you raise the soft top.
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