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Old 09-17-2011, 05:07 PM   #1
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2012 500 Mile Oil Change

Called the service dept to check availability of oil filter for pickup. They have it but tell me there is no break in period or early oil change needed for these new engines. I listened to you guys and bought the filter and oil anyway. Why would you people lead me to believe I need to waste my money and change my oil early?

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Too early to change the oil... Parts need to wear in.

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Sarcasm. Metal all over the filter at 700 miles.
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Sarcasm. Metal all over the filter at 700 miles.
Same here at 500 miles. Shavings, flakes, chips, etc. If it's in the filter it's in the oil, just smaller pieces.

How 'bout that snazzy green oil they use so they can tell if it pours out on the ground or not?
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Doesn't take a genius to have figured out that oilwell is our resident oil expert. Believe what he says!

I have always changed oil at 500 miles. Will change again at 1500. Then 3000. Evey 3000 after that unless I decide to use synthetic oil after about 6K. Maybe I'll go 4 or 5K between changes if I use syn. It's my money and my Jeep. Back off, sucker!
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My screen name actually has nothing to do with oil.

I plan to change at 500 (done already), 1500, 3000, 5000 and then at 5000 mile intervals. I'll put synthetic in at 5000 miles and go with it from then on.
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Is anyone planning on driving their Jeep 100k miles??? That equates to 8 years of normal driving at 12k miles/yr. According to the stats, over 80% of drivers keep their cars less than 6 years.

Noteworthy issue is that resale value will not be affected whatsoever by more frequent oil changes. It's really a personal choice thing outside of the 6-8k recommendation by Chrysler. I too have changed fluids more frequently than recommended... But have been advised by master builders of high performance engines that oil on standard engines like almost any production car should not be changed before 1k miles because rings and the normal wear required in the block, valves and pistons needs to occur. Hence the break in process of varying rpm (not keeping it idled or consistent for long periods), avoid full throttle accerlation repeatedly and generally drive "normal" for the first 500 miles...
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My screen name actually has nothing to do with oil.

I plan to change at 500 (done already), 1500, 3000, 5000 and then at 5000 mile intervals. I'll put synthetic in at 5000 miles and go with it from then on.
I made my conclusion about your expertise on oil based on the sum total of your posts on the subject, not your screen name. Come on, quit being so modest...
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Is anyone planning on driving their Jeep 100k miles??? That equates to 8 years of normal driving at 12k miles/yr. According to the stats, over 80% of drivers keep their cars less than 6 years.

Noteworthy issue is that resale value will not be affected whatsoever by more frequent oil changes. It's really a personal choice thing outside of the 6-8k recommendation by Chrysler. I too have changed fluids more frequently than recommended... But have been advised by master builders of high performance engines that oil on standard engines like almost any production car should not be changed before 1k miles because rings and the normal wear required in the block, valves and pistons needs to occur. Hence the break in process of varying rpm (not keeping it idled or consistent for long periods), avoid full throttle accerlation repeatedly and generally drive "normal" for the first 500 miles...
Please show me one place where they "recommend" that you change oil at 8k. Read the words. It says do not exceed.
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Please show me one place where they "recommend" that you change oil at 8k. Read the words. It says do not exceed.
Right, as in "For the love of all that is good and holy change it by no later than 8k miles. Please, please don't go any farther than that."

It amazes me how many times I see this construed as a "recommendation" that you should change your oil every 8k miles.
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Please show me one place where they "recommend" that you change oil at 8k. Read the words. It says do not exceed.
I left it for you to respond to
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Old 09-17-2011, 08:25 PM   #12
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This is what the 2012 manual has on page 566 in the maintenance schedule section. It does not say "recommended" but it is the only schedule. Read into it as you want.

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This is what the 2012 manual has on page 566 in the maintenance schedule section. It does not say "recommended" but it is the only schedule. Read into it as you want.
It doesn't say recommended, just not to exceed 6000 or 8000 and people think that those numbers are a recommended number.

"recommended" is 0-6000/8000 not to be exceeded depending on your driving habits
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All that is a place for you to record and keep track. I use a spreadsheet with much more detail. Go to the actual section of your manual that discusses how and when to change you oil. It will give you an interval that is not to be exceeded.

You shouldn't "read into" anything. Just read the actual words.
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Go to the actual section of your manual that discusses how and when to change you oil.
There is no section like this in the 2012 manual.

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This is the 'Change Interval' section.

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And this is what it says about the maintenance schedule.

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It says the schedule must be followed to protect your new vehicle warranty. Sure, it can be done earlier but I'm just showing the facts of what's in the actual manual.

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OMG! Read the words! It says NOTE: Under no circumstance should the oil change interval exceed 8000 miles.

DO NOT EXCEED does not mean RECOMMEND. It doesn't say wait until 8000 miles.
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BTW go to Jeep.com and download a copy in .pdf, it's easier than scanning or taking a picture or whatever you are doing.
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BTW go to Jeep.com and download a copy in .pdf, it's easier than scanning or taking a picture or whatever you are doing.
2012 manual is not available yet. Frustrating.

DVD is crude at best. Printed is a bit cumbersome, but nice to have in the Jeep if needed. I'd much rather have the .pdf version!

You'd think they could create a .pdf version by now. They've been building the vehicles for more than two months!
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I just can't figure out why people jeep thinking that number is "recommended"
Every day this is argued about.

It's says EXCEED

To me that means you can change the oil after 1 mile if you want 1000/2000/3000--it's up to you to decide and hopefully make a good decision based on your how you drive the jeep.
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OMG! Read the words! It says NOTE: Under no circumstance should the oil change interval exceed 8000 miles.

DO NOT EXCEED does not mean RECOMMEND. It doesn't say wait until 8000 miles.
I agree with 8000 miles. I don't know why you guys keep bringing up 6000 miles and so on. It clearly says "6 months or 8,000 miles, whichever is earlier". I don't know what your trying to prove, I've got the manual in my hands.
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I agree with 8000 miles. I don't know why you guys keep bringing up 6000 miles and so on. It clearly says "6 months or 8,000 miles, whichever is earlier". I don't know what your trying to prove, I've got the manual in my hands.
Pre 12's read 6000 / Different engine
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I agree with 8000 miles. I don't know why you guys keep bringing up 6000 miles and so on. It clearly says "6 months or 8,000 miles, whichever is earlier". I don't know what your trying to prove, I've got the manual in my hands.
Prior to 2010, the maximum mileage was listed at 6000. Now it is listed at 8000. What we are trying to get through to you is that they do NOT recommend that you change your oil at 8000 miles. They expressly warn not to exceed 8000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first.
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If pressed, I can't back this up. But.... I have heard it said that the ever increasing maintenance intervals are actually a result of government pressure on auto makers to reduce auto maintenance costs. So, responding to gov. demands, they have been pushing things like oil changes and spark plug changes, etc. to the very limits of doing real, long term damage if you exceed them. They are no longer 'best practices' recommendations, they are cover your butt, absolute maximum, just before it fails, warnings.
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Pre 12's read 6000 / Different engine
And the title of this thread says "2012".

I don't know why you guys get so upset over this. The old 3.8 required the oil to be changed BEFORE 6000 miles. The new 3.6 is 8000.

For what it's worth, I had mine done at 600 and will keep to a 5000 service interval.

I'm just clearly pointing out what the manual, by the manufacture who hopefully will uphold their end of the warranty, requires to keep said warranty in good standing.
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And the title of this thread says "2012".

I don't know why you guys get so upset over this. The old 3.8 required the oil to be changed BEFORE 6000 miles. The new 3.6 is 8000.

For what it's worth, I had mine done at 600 and will keep to a 5000 service interval.

I'm just clearly pointing out what the manual, by the manufacture who hopefully will uphold their end of the warranty, requires to keep said warranty in good standing.
Same point we are trying to prove, regardless of year.
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And the title of this thread says "2012".

I don't know why you guys get so upset over this. The old 3.8 required the oil to be changed BEFORE 6000 miles. The new 3.6 is 8000.

For what it's worth, I had mine done at 600 and will keep to a 5000 service interval.

I'm just clearly pointing out what the manual, by the manufacture who hopefully will uphold their end of the warranty, requires to keep said warranty in good standing.
Just as the 2010-2012 says BEFORE 8000. BTW 2010 and 2011 3.8's both list the maximum as 8000. None of that matters the point is that the 2012 manual says not to exceed 8000. It doesn't say that 8000 is the recommended interval as you previously stated.
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OMG! Read the words! It says NOTE: Under no circumstance should the oil change interval exceed 8000 miles.

DO NOT EXCEED does not mean RECOMMEND. It doesn't say wait until 8000 miles.
Correct, but then it does say to refer to the maintenance schedule, and if the schedule has it at 8k, that is very leading to not needing it before then. I could see how that could be confusing.
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It doesn't say that 8000 is the recommended interval as you previously stated.
I made no such statement in this thread. I received my printed manual on Thursday and retract any statements made prior due to lack of information.

I stand firm on what I've said in this thread as I own a 2012 and have a printed manual from a 2012. Any maintenance information related to any engine other than the 3.6 found in the 2012 JK, as the title of this thread indicates, is irrelevant.

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