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Old 10-19-2011, 10:47 AM   #31
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:31 AM   #33
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Slow is best especially as you get the RPMS up. I don't know if the 12 is different.
If I get the Rpms up to let's say 3000, just let of the gas--the RPM's will hold for a bit before dropping. When depressing the clutch the hang is still there but less-- Its very strange, I have read on other forums it's got something to do with either emissions or a heavier flywheel. It does take a little getting used to. I've only had my Jk for three months and just found out yesterday --why messing around--my jeep will pull itself along In 2nd just letting of the clutch.
I don't think that can be done with higher gearing
I'm assuming the the 12 with new engine would make driving the 6 speed even more of a blast.
I definitely have the hold or hang after releasing the gas on brisk acceleration. You can reduce it by holding a constant RPM just before the shift. On brisk acceleration, when the clutch is depressed and the throttle released, there is a very brief period where the rpm is still climbing with the throttle backed down, sort of an overrun. I had assumed it was an electronic throttle response that lagged and wasn't tweaked.
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The HSA is a crutch for people who can't drive and has no place in normal street driving. I can see where it would be beneficial on the trail, but on the street it is an annoyance more than anything. The absolute worst thing about it is that the more you "need" it, the more of a hindrance it becomes. It doesn't let the Jeep roll backward down the hill, but it also doesn't let it roll forwards up the hill. This gets worse the steeper the hill is because you have to hold more brake to keep from rolling backwards. The stop light right before I get to my house requires quite a bit of brake pressure to keep from rolling backwards. When I try to go forwards I don't only have to overcome the hill, I also have to overcome the stupid HSA that's there for people that don't have good enough footwork to drive otherwise. In order to overcome both of those things, it takes quite a bit of gas to get rolling. About that time the HSA releases and the Jeep lurches forward. This is a huge PITA. What's wrong with people just learning how to drive?



I don't have the EVIC and the other procedures I've seen don't work to deactivate it. We are slowly learning to drive around this "feature", but why should we need a crutch to drive around another crutch?
I agree about driving skills. I first learned how to drive manual without parking assist @ 1975, (not counting motorcycles before then), and this is the first vehicle with manual that has had it. I think just about every manual shift vehicle being built today has some version of HSA and most can't be disabled. I didn't like it at first but got better at HSA use with some practice, including the very steep hill at the bottom of my driveway where we stop to get the mail/paper. I'm not sure how my wife is doing with this, but she also is used to a non HSA vehicle.
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:55 AM   #34
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But what about the Xenon, Adaptive Cruise, Crosspath detection, Back Up Cam and Ventilated Seats?

Oh well, I guess there has to be some compromise in available features
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:31 PM   #35
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The HSA is a crutch for people who can't drive and has no place in normal street driving. I can see where it would be beneficial on the trail, but on the street it is an annoyance more than anything. The absolute worst thing about it is that the more you "need" it, the more of a hindrance it becomes. It doesn't let the Jeep roll backward down the hill, but it also doesn't let it roll forwards up the hill. This gets worse the steeper the hill is because you have to hold more brake to keep from rolling backwards. The stop light right before I get to my house requires quite a bit of brake pressure to keep from rolling backwards. When I try to go forwards I don't only have to overcome the hill, I also have to overcome the stupid HSA that's there for people that don't have good enough footwork to drive otherwise. In order to overcome both of those things, it takes quite a bit of gas to get rolling. About that time the HSA releases and the Jeep lurches forward. This is a huge PITA. What's wrong with people just learning how to drive?



I don't have the EVIC and the other procedures I've seen don't work to deactivate it. We are slowly learning to drive around this "feature", but why should we need a crutch to drive around another crutch?

I have struggled with the HSA too; seems to be a very useful tool for stalling the engine! The problem for me is that it catches me by surprise. If it always activated, I would learn the timing of it, but it seems to catch me off guard and when it activates I tend to stall the engine because the brakes are still on! I agree, that it is pretty mutch a crutch.

I have EVIC so just went outside and turned it off, we will try that for a while. I am very surprised that there is no way to turn the HSA off on Jeeps without EVIC........
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I am very surprised that there is no way to turn the HSA off on Jeeps without EVIC........
There is a procedure in the manual to do it, but it doesn't work for me. I've tried it a dozen times hoping it will work this time, but it hasn't so far. I went back yesterday and reviewed the procedure again and think I may try it in 4L so the engine can be started without the clutch pushed in the way the procedure says. That's a little dumb for it to be that way, but I'm willing to give it a shot.
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Drove a Rubi 6-spd today and found it as I expected -- OUTSTANDING! What a blast. Even the DW only stalled it once and then she was smo-o-o-oth. Next it will be the ordering and price negotiation process. Can't wait.
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Drove a Rubi 6-spd today and found it as I expected -- OUTSTANDING! What a blast. Even the DW only stalled it once and then she was smo-o-o-oth. Next it will be the ordering and price negotiation process. Can't wait.
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Thanks Karl. Signed up for TL last week and am waiting for my envelope so we can do the order. TYalked to the dealer and they will do a TL order. All the hints here have made it a painless process I believe. Especially hints from Pat!. If anything stalls my local dealer order I may just contact Pat and order from him. Then drive to IL for delivery.

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