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Old 08-17-2013, 09:08 PM   #31
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That is funny you guys should mention this battery issue. I have a 2012 rubicon that I ordered and received in July of 2011. And yes my battery died also. At 22,000 miles , I was totally surprised, have no aftermarket stuff on my jeep and my jeep is always garaged .

I drove 95 miles (highway) to Michigan from Illinois , stopped to eat , came out and the battery was completely dead. On a Saturday night , mind you. Not only that , they charged me for road side assistance, which they were not supposed to .

They did put a new battery in it( michigan dealership).

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Hmmm. I'm just under 20K,something to look forward too soon.

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Old 08-17-2013, 11:01 PM   #33
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I stress this to all my customers...

Get your battery tested at least once a year. I say once before summer, once before winter. Any place worth a hoot will test it for free...in front of you.. and explain what they found. Over %45 of batteries of the road today would fail a load and or conductance test. Better to not be stranded. I good battery should last 4-7 years depending on climate and use. $100 for 4 years of use!? I wish my gas tank worked like that! Broken down to 4 starts a day over 4 years with a $100 battery comes to ˘.017 a start. Not bad
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That is funny you guys should mention this battery issue. I have a 2012 rubicon that I ordered and received in July of 2011. And yes my battery died also. At 22,000 miles , I was totally surprised, have no aftermarket stuff on my jeep and my jeep is always garaged .

I drove 95 miles (highway) to Michigan from Illinois , stopped to eat , came out and the battery was completely dead. On a Saturday night , mind you. Not only that , they charged me for road side assistance, which they were not supposed to .

They did put a new battery in it( michigan dealership).
Yep, around 21K miles on mine. At least they replaced it for free. I'll expect the same FAIL at 42K Miles...
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AA heads, bad water pumps, bad batteries. Enough is enough! Ordered a 2014 and just hope the 2012 makes it until delivery!
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^ You forgot water leaks, uconnect issues and under body rust!!!
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:06 PM   #37
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My '12 JK has just 24k and the same thing happened...did not start yesterday morning and had no other warning signs. Going to take the battery and get it tested and go from there...
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My '12 JK has just 24k and the same thing happened...did not start yesterday morning and had no other warning signs. Going to take the battery and get it tested and go from there...
Have Chrysler Roadside assistance tow it to the stealership. They'll cover the tow and battery replacement 100% under warranty. No point in paying a dime yourself.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:12 PM   #39
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LBrito- Although i appreciate your enthusiasm you are in fact wrong, here is why...

Optimas, while decent batteries... are not the BEST. IF you gonna drop the coin, get an Oddessy. But i do like optimas..

Pairing an AGM and a flooded cell battery... Never a wise idea. Even if you have a "smart" isolator or not. By the way, a smart isolator is just one that has the ability to remove a battery bank from the charging circuit in order to give priority to the pack that is currently more in demand. All instruction manuals state they should be used with matching chemistry type and RC or Ah rating. Will it work? Yes. Will it give you the most in performance, reliably, cost effectiveness, relieving stress on the charging system.. no? You would be must better off with a single AGM battery that meets or exceeds OE specs. The fact that the batteries are being charged in parallel complicates the situation. Flooded and AGM batteries like to float at a few tenths different voltages. This results in a less than ideal finishing charge. The differences in chemistry and capacity lead to inevitable differences in internal resistance further increasing the difference in voltage between the two batteries. Although Optima construction and performance are strong points, they do not withstand deep discharges very well. Their internal resistance often increases to the point where it takes over 16 volts to push any current during charging. That's where the construction and chemistry get in the way; they cause heat to be produced and retained resulting in loss of electrolyte, death for any AGM battery. I sell or service at least 20 batteries a day, auto, marine, all chemistries, construction and applications. A good AGM battery ultimately wins out because of power density and resistance to shock and vibration. Yep, Optimas die. ALL batteries are dying from the day they are activated. Perhaps it's because people have typically had an Optima so long that they are upset to see it go. Optima Red Tops did have some quality issues about 3 years ago related to transfer of corporate control. Their deep cycle batteries have, in my experience, shown superior durability. An over spec AGM battery is always my recommendation for vehicles with big amps, winches or which see rough roads. Just don't expect it to last forever.
Sort of hit and run this thread last time, and I coincidentally end up reading it again months later. Glad I caught up again, looks like you're up to some interesting testing.

Just wanted to clarify and perhaps go back and forth a little more in the interest of education. The clarification being that I don't advocate using flooded cell batteries, I'm not sure why Jeep doesn't standardize a better solution. Perhaps they will soon.

With regard to dual batteries, I don't see how it is more taxing to the charge system. 2 x 55Ah batteries would be the same as 1 x 110Ah battery. I understand that when you switch in a discharged secondary battery, then you change the load on the charge system, as the two in parallel will then try to equalize, etc. and you're temporarily left with sort of a varying load, varying voltage and current, etc. But, this doesn't seem too different then starting a vehicle with a almost dead battery and having the charge system the charge this battery, while running all the fancy stuff like Nav and whatever other accessories and varying draw the vehicle will see. Varying draw and alternator demand seem pretty standard for a modern vehicle. In a dual battery setup, you have redundancy, which is nice, since you can effectively lose a battery and still be okay. Versus with a single large capacity battery, if that dies, you're in trouble. I think it has its benefits versus a single battery in that respect, and the effect on the charge system seems minimal for a healthy adequately sized alternator like the 160A one on the JKs.

I didn't intend to say that dissimilar battery chemistry is ideal, as you said, the best bet would be to have batteries of the same type and capacity. With an isolator that cuts off the parallel connection at say 13V, when no charge voltage is present, then I also don't see how dissimilar chemistry and dissimilar floating voltage would matter much here, since they would no longer be tied together. They would be free to float at whatever voltage they wanted. I do see how this can be a problem when the disconnect voltage is set too low, say below the float voltage levels.

Now, to be fair, yes, a smart isolator or ACR, or whatever gets used is another potential failure point, so one can argue that its easier to swap a single dead battery than try to track down a problem with these things if one arises. Guess that's up to how comfortable each person would be with their understanding of these things.

Please don't think I'm trying to be rude or anything. Not my intention at all. I simply see things in the above way, and would love to hear more arguments on the topic, in particular from someone with your background.

Also looking forward to hearing about your battery test results. Subscribing to the thread this time!
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:29 PM   #40
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Took it to dealer Monday and they checked everything out...turned out to be bad battery. Just surprising considering I've only had it about year and half and it's got less than 25k miles. Glad that's all it was. They replaced it under warranty.
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:30 PM   #41
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LBrito... I...I love you. Want a job? I struggle to find techs who actually want to know an answer for the reason of furthering ones knowledge base. I'm a little too
...inebriated to answer your questions intelligently tonight, but expect something soon! Maybe not tomorrow.. got a 2002 Land rover HSE that a customer attempted to jump start someone with and hooked the cables up backwards in his vehicle. So far I've got 13 blown fuses, one failed BCM and about 10 hours worth the problems to sort on this beast!
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Whats the latest on the Optima, Odyssey, Die Hard, "Shoot Out"?
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UPS brought my new Odyssey battery. Odyssey Southeast recommended a PC 1220 rather than the PC1500. Exact dimensions as the stock. I asked about Sears Die Hard Platinum being Odyssey built. They were for a while but now built by East Penn Deka.

Just waiting for a Hiccup from the stock battery (37,000 mi) to slide in the Odyssey.
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I dont have a 2012, but did have battery problems in my 2011. Battery died a few times. Got tired of it and replaced with a Sears diehard platinum. I havent had any problems since. I have been able to run an ARB fridge for 3 days while camping and would still start without problems. I used to be a big fan of optimas, but the last 2 I bought had problems.
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2012 with 22,200 miles. Battery died yest. Dealer installed new.
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UPS brought my new Odyssey battery. Odyssey Southeast recommended a PC 1220 rather than the PC1500. Exact dimensions as the stock. I asked about Sears Die Hard Platinum being Odyssey built. They were for a while but now built by East Penn Deka.

Just waiting for a Hiccup from the stock battery (37,000 mi) to slide in the Odyssey.
Just leave the head lights on all night.

I don't know about you, but if I buy a 'better' part for my Jeep, it always goes in ASAP. Don't wait until you need it.
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What size category (not CCA) is the JK battery? Sadly, a new baby is going to cause me to trade my beloved TJ for a JKU soon, and I've read nothing but bad about the factory battery. I have a DieHard Platinum AGM battery that's <1 year old - if it fits, I'm going to insist on a swap being part of the deal.
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I'm surprised so many 2012's are going bad. Thanks to corvallis I'll know whats the best picks.
I was at the dealer yesterday talking to the service manager and he said the bad battery's are still happening they have had 43 so far on 2013 Jeeps.
He says there all from the factory in India.
He said one guy had to stay over night in the middle of no where in a thunder storm with no top. He was not at all happy.
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2013 JKU - 11k - bought in Oct 2012 - battery was doing ok, but when I did a pre-check before my trip I noticed it was wet in the tray underneath so I pulled it out. The dang thing was leaking form the seams at each end. I washed the tray out and put a different battery in for the trip before I got a warranty swap at the dealer. After reading stuff like this I'm sticking with a different battery...
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Just had battery fail, less than 5000 mi, 20 mos. old. Was covered under warrantee. Now seems to have intermittent starting issue. Cranks but doesn't start after being run. Can't seem to recreate the event.
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I find myself to be in this club now. But thankfully, after a day of running all over the place, it gave up the ghost right in my driveway.

All the freaky things I see everyone else say, like the Jeep was possessed. I swapped out the battery from the wife's Taurus. Since I am still under warranty, I will go see if they will place a new battery in the Jeep.

20,068 miles on my 2012 JKUS

It is amazing how these things die, no warning. All the previous startups today were normal. No hesitation. Till the last one, click, click, click Nada. Immediate voltage drop when checking it with a meter. Slow rebound afterwards. Used my Battery Tester, The Taurus Battery tested Good. The Jeep Battery tested as Dead/Replace. Put it on a charger after swapping the batteries, still a no go. It's DOA.

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I find myself to be in this club now. But thankfully, after a day of running all over the place, it gave up the ghost right in my driveway.

All the freaky things I see everyone else say, like the Jeep was possessed. I swapped out the battery from the wife's Taurus. Since I am still under warranty, I will go see if they will place a new battery in the Jeep.

20,068 miles on my 2012 JKUS

It is amazing how these things die, no warning. All the previous startups today were normal. No hesitation. Till the last one, click, click, click Nada. Immediate voltage drop when checking it with a meter. Slow rebound afterwards. Used my Battery Tester, The Taurus Battery tested Good. The Jeep Battery tested as Dead/Replace. Put it on a charger after swapping the batteries, still a no go. It's DOA.

Fun Fun Fun
After a little more looking on this problem between the dealer and jeep and a buddy that works for Delco found out they have had over 16000 bad battery's in just jeep and 29000 in Toyota's they are the one's that own the factory in India that makes the bad battery's. The main problem with them is contaminated lead used in processing and NO way to fix it. Here's the best part Jeep not Chrysler has a 10 year contract with Toyota battery plant.
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I find myself to be in this club now. But thankfully, after a day of running all over the place, it gave up the ghost right in my driveway.

All the freaky things I see everyone else say, like the Jeep was possessed. I swapped out the battery from the wife's Taurus. Since I am still under warranty, I will go see if they will place a new battery in the Jeep.

20,068 miles on my 2012 JKUS

It is amazing how these things die, no warning. All the previous startups today were normal. No hesitation. Till the last one, click, click, click Nada. Immediate voltage drop when checking it with a meter. Slow rebound afterwards. Used my Battery Tester, The Taurus Battery tested Good. The Jeep Battery tested as Dead/Replace. Put it on a charger after swapping the batteries, still a no go. It's DOA.

Fun Fun Fun
When this happened to mine the same thing I thought I might need to run a silver spike through the block freeky but at least I learned a good lesson about jeeps roadside assist or lack there of it only covers the 1st $100 of a tow so remember if you break down depending on how far you are you might be better off to call your Insurance company my has free towing up to 100 miles I would deff call them just my 2 cent
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So to follow up on my Dead Battery Issue.
(Yeah, Silver Spike was looking almost necessary)

Went to the service dept of my dealer. I told them I have a DOA Battery in my Jeep, and it's In the back. Had to borrow my wife's battery to get there.

So they say, can't take your word for it that the battery is dead, we have to put it back in the jeep, hook it up to a machine for an hour, just so they can test it properly. Bla Bla Bla. I told them my Battery Tester said it was Dead Dead Dead, Replace.

So, They Did, Brand new Battery in the Jeep again. No cost out of my pocket. All covered under the factory warranty.

More in the transmission recall thread and tailgate stopper thread.
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So to follow up on my Dead Battery Issue.
(Yeah, Silver Spike was looking almost necessary)

Went to the service dept of my dealer. I told them I have a DOA Battery in my Jeep, and it's In the back. Had to borrow my wife's battery to get there.

So they say, can't take your word for it that the battery is dead, we have to put it back in the jeep, hook it up to a machine for an hour, just so they can test it properly. Bla Bla Bla. I told them my Battery Tester said it was Dead Dead Dead, Replace.

So, They Did, Brand new Battery in the Jeep again. No cost out of my pocket. All covered under the factory warranty.

More in the transmission recall thread and tailgate stopper thread.
You won't be happy the next time it happens your warranty will be over. The biggest problem is they replaced your dead battery with another one of those bad battery's. I don't want to be stranded in the middle of no where when that happens. I paid for a replacement for my jeep I bought a interstate battery they sell them in every town everywhere. My dealer first tried to say my winch caused my battery problems I have since replaced my dealer also and given him the reviews on-line NO dealer wants to have. Good luck with that 12-20 month battery they gave you.
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This battery warranty replacement frees up cash that was not allocated to Jeep parts that might have had to be spent otherwise. (Christmas Presents for my kid) Knowing now that these batteries have issues, I will test mine more frequently. I have the meter, why not, especially knowing this WILL happen again in the future.
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2012 JKU - 32K miles - battery died saturday, no warning, just DOA. dealer installed new OEM one under warranty, mopar 36K battery. assume it's the same POS that died. keeping fingers crossed this one lasts a little longer - maybe spring for a better one. just something else to obsess about today

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