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Old 11-14-2011, 05:56 AM   #1
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2012 fog light assembly replacement help

Whats up guys, I'm looking to install 3000K HIDs into the fog lights (3000K is the ion yellow used on Le Mans cars) but the size of the OEM bulb is weird, and no one makes HID bulbs in that size. I was wondering if anyone had any luck replacing the OEM housings with another housing that is the same size and fit, but uses a standard bulb? Thanks for any and all help.

P.S. Just wondering, I know the headlights require a relay so the computer doesnt go nuts with HIDs, but I wanted to know if the fog lights need a relay as well if installing HIDs?

P.P.S. Also wondering for those that know, would a ballast like this one fix the relay requirement problem?

http://www.philipsxenon.com/philips-...hid-kit-p-1294

(Can-BUS ballasts)

I tried to search around, and it seems SOME canbus systems just detect if the bulb is ON or BLOWN, while others detect malfunctioning bulbs. Also, some (ie Mazda) still flicker due to the voltage fluctuation, so I would assume the JK is the same right?

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You will need to find some other way to get more from the fog lights because the PCM only allows them to draw about 40-45 Watts of power before it shuts down. You can get LED bulbs cheap or you can do an entire retrofit. Any way you slice it you will probably want to use a relay to make sure the computer doesn't shut them down when you least expect it.

I finally finished wiring up our KC fog lights yesterday after 3 months of looking at options. I ended up buying the cheapest set of LED lights on ebay for $7 shipped to my door. I smashed the LEDs off of them and used the base to solder the fog light relay wiring to. Then I just had to plug them in. OK, it was slightly more involved than just plugging them in, but it was the cheapest and simplest way to get a clean install without butchering the factory harness to pieces.

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Old 02-01-2012, 05:14 PM   #3
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Hid lights on both my Main and Fog Lights



^ Thats a link to the fog lights. there were a little more complicated them the main lights but that a diy. if you have any questions fill free to ask. i didnt use a relay for the fogs just the hid bulbs and thats it!!

For the main lights, i needed to use a relay and then its just plug in play!!
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:21 PM   #4
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I installed a 3000K HID kit and was warned from other people that the OEM housings melt from the heat. This is NOT true, and they do NOT melt (if you run the regular 35w kits) so I no longer need a replacement. Thanks for the advice though.
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Not HID related, but, I hooked a set of IPF Driving Lights to the factory fog light harnes without issues. 2012, I know previous years have had issues doing this.
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I know what you're all expecting and I'm not going to do it. If he wants to bugger his TIPM and install an illegal and unsafe HID "kit", so be it.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:52 AM   #7
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I know what you're all expecting and I'm not going to do it. If he wants to bugger his TIPM and install an illegal and unsafe HID "kit", so be it.
My TIPM is just fine, since I am using a relay for them, and since the lights are low, they don't bother anyone, but it's ok. You can keep going around spreading misinformation, and promoting overpriced, underperforming products to your fellow Jeepers, I won't stop you.
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hey. . im got to give it to hilldweller. . i replaced my headlights with hids. . even got booted off the forum bc of posting pics on here. . but he is right. . i took em off. . way to bright in the factory housing. . unsafe. . if you gonna do it. . do it Legally!
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My TIPM is just fine, since I am using a relay for them, and since the lights are low, they don't bother anyone, but it's ok. You can keep going around spreading misinformation, and promoting overpriced, underperforming products to your fellow Jeepers, I won't stop you.
You are referring to Hilldweller, right?
That is some of the most level headed, scientifically derived misinformation I have ever seen on a forum of this type.

If you have something other than hurt feelings to back up your claim, I don't think I'd be alone in asking to see it.
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You can keep going around spreading misinformation, and promoting overpriced, underperforming products to your fellow Jeepers, I won't stop you.
well you could always leave this forum and stop posting useless BS with no actual facts to back it up! At least his info is backed with cold hard scientific and real world proof unlike your misinformed rant.
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...since the lights are low, they don't bother anyone, but it's ok. You can keep going around spreading misinformation, and promoting overpriced, underperforming products to your fellow Jeepers, I won't stop you.
How do you know if they bother others? Surveyed them, did ya?
Counting on being flashed by oncomers? That doesn't work; people squint and look away. A driver came at me this morning with highbeams on and the three cars in front of me didn't flash him.

HID capsules rebased and kitted to fit in reflectors that were made for halogen bulbs (or other light sources) are illegal, unsafe, and don't work right.
Inserting obligitory Daniel Stern Lighting link here, just in case there are still people who haven't read it. And for the googlers of the future; after all, it is all about the future, isn't it?

Everything I "promote" works and, better still, is legal/safe. That matters to some folks.
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You can keep going around spreading misinformation, and promoting overpriced, underperforming products to your fellow Jeepers, I won't stop you.
It took me all of two weeks to recognize Hilldweller's expertise with lighting (as well as other topics) on this forum, as well as several others. You can choose to heed his advice or ignore it, but don't impugn my intelligence by implying that I'd be easily misinformed.

Just because someone tells me something, doesn't mean I won't put the work in to ensure that what I've been told is right.

But when someone like Hilldweller is correct time and time again, I come to value and trust his advice. Obviously, you choose to ignore it. I've got no problem with that, personally. It's entirely your prerogative.

But don't sling mud at someone who has helped untold numbers of us improve our Jeeps' lighting, with minimal hassle and cost, at the expense of his own time and effort.
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First of all, if you all chose to believe his "scientific tests" then fine, but I don't go into every single thread when someone asks a question and say "do it legally."

Nevermind the fact that...

1)The human eye is MUCH more sensitive to glare from yellowish/white light, thus, a 35W halogen is MORE blinding to the EYE than a blue/white light.

2) The blinding of oncoming traffic can be done with ANY BULB. The type of bulb has NOTHING to do with "blinding someone."

3)The reflector/projector housing argument is nothing short of stupid, since my 2000 Acura actually has HIDs in a reflector housing from factory. The bulb has a cap on it to prevent scatter, just like any quality aftermarket HID bulb. They will have shields and/or caps to prevent scatter.

Regardless, this is pointless. Do whatever works for you. I welcome anyone who is a local to come and compare the OEM lighting against my crappy HID lighting, in output, light control, "blinding-ness," and whatever else you think you need to see.
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It took me all of two weeks to recognize Hilldweller's expertise with lighting (as well as other topics) on this forum, as well as several others. You can choose to heed his advice or ignore it, but don't impugn my intelligence by implying that I'd be easily misinformed.

Just because someone tells me something, doesn't mean I won't put the work in to ensure that what I've been told is right.

But when someone like Hilldweller is correct time and time again, I come to value and trust his advice. Obviously, you choose to ignore it. I've got no problem with that, personally. It's entirely your prerogative.

But don't sling mud at someone who has helped untold numbers of us improve our Jeeps' lighting, with minimal hassle and cost, at the expense of his own time and effort.
I didn't sling mud at anyone. I've had probably 5 threads asking specific questions in regards to lighting, and NONE of them asked for advice on HID kits and the legality of them. However, in ALL the threads, he commented on the fact that they are illegal and annoying. Sure doesn't seem like help to me, and I am not the only one. I never insulted anyone, nor did I demean anyone. However, it gets REALLY old when someone continuously harps on something as if they own stock shares in halogen lighting.

Look I am sure he means well, and IS a good guy, AND actually did do a lot of tests to help a lot of members, but there really is no need to harp on other members for doing things that they like. I don't come on here talking about how I hate the a$$holes that ride fenderless, 6" lift, and 37" tires, flicking rocks at my sports cars do I, which BTW, is illegal in many states.

As for those telling me to leave....

1) I am a paying member, so I don't see why I should.

2) Although Hilldweller may be a smart, nice, and contributing member, the site does not function on one person.

I have been on MANY forums (still am) over the years from all the cars I have and done TONS to help fellow members. I install everything myself, rebuild motors myself, re-wire cars myself, build track cars myself, etc, and have posted more DIYs over the years than I can count. I have helped COUNTLESS local members, holding meets at my own house where I install/fix whatever issues they may have with their car/truck FOR FREE. Sure, I'm new here and have no credibility, and that's fine. Things take time. However, telling a new member to buzz off when they disagree with someone is childish and counterproductive. Anywho, all the best.
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As for those telling me to leave....

However, telling a new member to buzz off when they disagree with someone is childish and counterproductive. Anywho, all the best.
I see neither of those statements, written or implied, in my post.
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It wasn't directed at you brother.
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It wasn't directed at you brother.
It was directed at me

And as for you being a paying member congratulations. Does that make you more credible? No didn't think so....and as for your comment about him pushing halogen like he own stock in it, OT whatever you said......he actually does recommend a proper HID assembly.If you've got the $$ and are Hell bent on HID. I don't see a problem with him repeating facts over and over.....maybe someday it will sink in. Doubtful though.
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It took me all of two weeks to recognize Hilldweller's expertise with lighting (as well as other topics) on this forum, as well as several others. You can choose to heed his advice or ignore it, but don't impugn my intelligence by implying that I'd be easily misinformed.

Just because someone tells me something, doesn't mean I won't put the work in to ensure that what I've been told is right.

But when someone like Hilldweller is correct time and time again, I come to value and trust his advice. Obviously, you choose to ignore it. I've got no problem with that, personally. It's entirely your prerogative.

But don't sling mud at someone who has helped untold numbers of us improve our Jeeps' lighting, with minimal hassle and cost, at the expense of his own time and effort.
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He's got the technical bona-fides, so he's going to point out when you are doing something that doesn't align with standards and established rules and techniques: That's what professionals in good conscience do.

He's got the hard numbers and consistently backs his information up with them, as he has done for some time.
I'll even add that he it seems like he does his best to be even handed in his dealing with folks, though any frustration that's detected is understood if you've seen how often people get emotional and irrational in the face of his information.

If you choose to go against that advice it's your decision, but making that decision doesn't invalidate anything he has said on the subject, nor does it make your subjective statements about things like what the human eye sees any more valid.

You don't have to do anything the guy says, but I think it at least bears some fair respect and consideration, which is my basic point.
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2) Although Hilldweller may be a smart, nice, and contributing member, the site does not function on one person.


- Look, we can go back and forth all day long ab hilldweller, take it from me. . he means well. . he is like a grandpa over the rookie light kids here. . including me. .REGARDLESS of how you feel about this member. . The SITE functions so we fellow jeepers can get info. . share pics. . and enjoy the brotherhood of having a jeep !! Get OVER it and know that anything you post can be seen and commented by ALL.. Maybe someone should just close this thread !
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Nevermind the fact that...

1)The human eye is MUCH more sensitive to glare from yellowish/white light, thus, a 35W halogen is MORE blinding to the EYE than a blue/white light.
Quite the opposite is true.
Read THIS, THIS, and THIS.

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2) The blinding of oncoming traffic can be done with ANY BULB. The type of bulb has NOTHING to do with "blinding someone."
Of course you can blind somebody with almost any light. Aim is important. Focus is important.
And aim/focus are related to a parabola or projector that is tuned to work with a particular light source. Play with a Maglight for a simple demonstration.

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3)The reflector/projector housing argument is nothing short of stupid, since my 2000 Acura actually has HIDs in a reflector housing from factory. The bulb has a cap on it to prevent scatter, just like any quality aftermarket HID bulb. They will have shields and/or caps to prevent scatter.
There are OE HID applications that use parabolic reflectors; what's your point? Those reflectors are specific to the HID capsule used in them; they work.
My car has HIR bulbs in a projector; it works great. If I put an HID capsule in it, I'd have a mess of poorly focussed light, scatter, artifacts, junk.

It's like Roseann Barr singing the National Anthem. She was loud, not good.

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Regardless, this is pointless. Do whatever works for you. I welcome anyone who is a local to come and compare the OEM lighting against my crappy HID lighting, in output, light control, "blinding-ness," and whatever else you think you need to see.
Where are you? I'll put a meter to it.
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Put HID's on my bikes over the years. Granted legality in a halogen housing is dubious but on 2 wheels,I want to be seen and screw do gooders. Growing older I've discovered HD makes a decent halogen headlight vs 25 years of rice sport bikes. Go figure. Im interested in LED's for the JK but $$$ it better be worth it.

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