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Old 09-26-2011, 06:35 PM   #31
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Aren't those basically the same engine with different bores and strokes?

I don't see what the big deal is. I do get annoyed digging through all the 2012 stuff trying to find something, but it really doesn't kill my forum experience. If we start a new forum for the 2012, maybe we should one for the 2011 as well since it got a new interior, or maybe the 2010 since it got a new foglight bulb? The foglight bulb change is actually far more annoying to my forum experience than the engine change. I've been searching for some fog light info for weeks and everytime I think I've found what I need it turns out to be for an 07-09 model.

Once the fever breaks things will be normal again, although since I've only been here a couple of months normal for me is having all the 2012 stuff on the forum.
Yes, the 4.0 came from the 4.2. I was just being an a$$ to illustrate the absurdity of a separate 2012 forum.

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You're absolutely correct kj--

I suggested the seperation of the jk forum, because of the totality in reference to the "Jesus" engine and "new" jeepers applaud 'JEEP" because they FINALLY DID SOMETHING RIGHT-like the jeeps up untill 2012 have been "tinker toys"--now

Since there isn't gonna be a split, I can't wait tell all the NEW 2012 jeepers praise the "Jesus" engine in off-road escapades--Rubicon/Winch hill/ the Hammer-


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swore you asked for the separation of the 2012 in a couple of your other post

Usually in frustration of a 2012 (er) gratifying his/her new 12 and how crappy and "underpowered" the pre 12's all are .

I actually was awaiting for you to chime in and agree.

Other posters-

you keep mentioning other engines in other years/models.

the 2.5 and 4.0 were the same inline type engine and the buyer chose when going sport or SE.

I don't know about 4.0 and 4.2.

The Pstar is a significant change and the way people talk about the 2012 as it's a whole different beast (and it is)

Not sure when this forum was started but it would of made sense to just make sub forums for CJ YJ TJ Jk and call it a day.

If the mods would have to jump through hoops to pull this off, I can see it not happening.

If not WHY NOT?
I'm just gonna feel so ah ah ah ah INADEQUATE, cause I've gotta 2008/42rle --HOW archaic!


Or there'll be a pic of a 2012, with one tire up on a two foot rock, will wonders never cease ??


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You're absolutely correct kj--

i suggested the seperation of the jk forum, because of the totality in reference to the "jesus" engine and "new" jeepers applaud 'jeep" because they finally did something right-like the jeeps up untill 2012 have been "tinker toys"--now

since there isn't gonna be a split, i can't wait tell all the new 2012 jeepers praise the "jesus" engine in off-road escapades--rubicon/winch hill/ the hammer-

i'm just gonna feel so ah ah ah ah inadequate, cause i've gotta 2008/42rle --how archaic!

Or there'll be a pic of a 2012, with one tire up on a two foot rock, will wonders never cease ??

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Fortunately the '12 problem seems (so far) to be limited to this forum...
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Would be great to have a '12 section. Even if only a subsection of the JK section.
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I would be p!ssed too if I owned a 07-11 JK and then the Jesus-Star came out.......I would feel like my Jeep is now worthless and I am less of a man. I would know that my girl was going to leave me for the first guy with a Jesus-Star 2012 she sees!!

I know my dog won't even want to ride in my 07-11 now after he has heard about the 2012's.

In fact, if I had a 07-11 JK, I would just go out to the garage, start that wuss of a mini van engine, and kill myself with carbon monoxide!!!
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Can't tell who is being sarcastic, but jeez relax. The 3.8 and 3.6 are both good engines and the jeep is a legendary piece of equipment. All people are saying is that the powertain on the '12 is significantly different than that of the '11s and earlier. Thus...it would make sense to have a separate forum.
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In fact, if I had a 07-11 JK, I would just go out to the garage, start that wuss of a mini van engine, and kill myself with carbon monoxide!!!
Hopefully it is one of the oil burners so things go a little quicker for you.
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Just a thought...

If a post is for a particular year JK, any year not just the '12s, just put the year in the subject line. If is pertains to all JKs then don't include a date. That way if someone isn't interested in reading about a particular year they can skip the post.
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I kinda agree, most of them are "waiting rooms" or talks about colors... I guess I don't have room to talk I'm a newbie but it's frustrating to go to the jk section and see 9/10 threads about crush or dozer instead of slightly more useful stuff :P

I haven't gotten to the point of hanging out at another forum but I find myself on the off-topic and current sections more an skipping over the jk section

A jk is a jk... Maybe after they all get delivered we'll see less of the waiting rooms and more action shots
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I think that you should all just sit back, relax, and enjoy this forum that is provided to you at NO COST. It's a free wealth of information. So what if you have to sift through some crap? I dislike a ton of things people post. That doesn't mean I can't get answers to my questions.

I've never seen so many people whine and complain about a free service that is so functional and convenient.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:40 AM   #42
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Can't tell who is being sarcastic, but jeez relax. The 3.8 and 3.6 are both good engines and the jeep is a legendary piece of equipment. All people are saying is that the powertain on the '12 is significantly different than that of the '11s and earlier. Thus...it would make sense to have a separate forum.
Ironically, so few of the discussions revolve around engine tech. Most of the posts are things that apply to all JK's. It's just that some 12 owners seem to think that everything about the 12 is unique.
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Can't tell who is being sarcastic, but jeez relax. The 3.8 and 3.6 are both good engines and the jeep is a legendary piece of equipment. All people are saying is that the powertain on the '12 is significantly different than that of the '11s and earlier. Thus...it would make sense to have a separate forum.
God I would hope no one is really contemplating suicide over this!!! That was my point, essentially these guys do not want to here about the improvements to the 2012....I assume they were hoping that it would not be as good as it is, and now with every major magazine coming out and saying the 2012 is the best Wrangler ever, and that the value of 07-11 JK's will surely drop at least in the enthusiast market (JP), they are tired of hearing about it.....and I don't blame them.

I was pissed when I bought my 98 TJ with the AX15 and then the NV3550 came out and the mag guys were like "oooohhhh", but when my ax15 blew up in 2005, I swapped in a brand new NV3550!! Problem solved.

I own a 46 CJ2A and it has 60 hp.......so even the 3.8 has almost 4 times as much power!!! But I still love it, drive it, and enjoy it for what it is......a Jeep that leaks, creaks, and squeaks!!
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can we split the forum up based on paint color?? i hate looking at bumpers on different color jeeps. it confuses me .
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Old 09-27-2011, 08:27 AM   #45
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Mods, can we please get the 2012 PentaStar owners their own Tech forum?

I have to sift thru endless banter of "2012 this" or "2012 that" to finally find something that may refer to my 2011 model.

With as much traffic as their is on this forum regarding the holiness and questions about the 2012 Jeep Wrangler, they really need their own Tech forum. Maybe call it the JK "P" or something, I dunno...

Just a suggestion to maybe ease the "2012" traffic jam on the site
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Coming from a 12 owner, I can see why you look at it that way
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Coming from a 12 owner, I can see why you look at it that way
I was also an 04 Rubicon owner and saw this same nonsense from TJ owners back in the day. I see it as it is.
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I was also an 04 Rubicon owner and saw this same nonsense from TJ owners back in the day. I see it as it is.
Owned an 01 sport but unlike now- with the Internet an all, I did not even know that happened back then.
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Yes, the 4.0 came from the 4.2. I was just being an a$$ to illustrate the absurdity of a separate 2012 forum.
Tom I've never known you to be sarcastic!

So does that make you an ..... and my image of you is smashed!




I have been a fan of Forums now since internet dinosaur dung was still soft and see this 2012 thing as just a microscopic bump in the road. This is a JK forum. We will get a new forum when they release the new wrangler JX were X is the next model of the complete makeover. May I suggest you use the tags to help guide users towards your threads. Another suggestion is to use your massive brain to speed read through the info you don't want and let it filter. That's what I do...
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It would be nice to have a layout that breaks down sections such as 2011+ and in there you could separate out stuff that is not the same with all the flavours such as 2012 Rubi, 4-doors, 2-doors, blah blah blah. I go into a thread right now to see what 33's look like on a 4-door and I have to weed through over 100 pages of pics of 2 doors. Did I learn anything from this. Ya, I am tired of seeing pictures of 2 doors when all I am interested in is pictures of 4-doors.

Being a moderator on a mustang site I don't see this as being a difficult task.
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Sometimes the devil is in the details. And another favorite saying of mine is: be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. We have important tools at our hands to filter out information that we don't want; it's called search and google. Too many sub-topics within a forum complicates it unnecessarily for the users of the forum. In forums, in general, regarding sub-topics I subscribe to the KISS club. Develop too much of a maze and users will be driven off. Too difficult to use or read.
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It would be nice to have a layout that breaks down sections such as 2011+ and in there you could separate out stuff that is not the same with all the flavours such as 2012 Rubi, 4-doors, 2-doors, blah blah blah. I go into a thread right now to see what 33's look like on a 4-door and I have to weed through over 100 pages of pics of 2 doors. Did I learn anything from this. Ya, I am tired of seeing pictures of 2 doors when all I am interested in is pictures of 4-doors.

Being a moderator on a mustang site I don't see this as being a difficult task.
Well Im sick of looking at 4 doors and all I want to see are 2 doors-- so there
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Here's an idea: Why don't we do the forums by VIN number. That way none of us will have to see anything that isn't specifically about our own Jeep. This should work great since we all think our Jeeps are the best and most special of the breed. The only down side would be if you had a question that someone else might have some valuable input on, but will never see the post because they never visit the forum for your Jeep. I still think it's a great idea. VIN specific forums are definitely the way to go.
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here's an idea: Why don't we do the forums by vin number. That way none of us will have to see anything that isn't specifically about our own jeep. This should work great since we all think our jeeps are the best and most special of the breed. The only down side would be if you had a question that someone else might have some valuable input on, but will never see the post because they never visit the forum for your jeep. I still think it's a great idea. Vin specific forums are definitely the way to go.
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That right there hit the nail on the head. When you carry an idea like this to its logical extreme and see the ridiculousness of it, it begins to take on a new perspective. Then we can get back to good ole KISS.
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Ya'll have a good one, I am going to take a vacation for a while. I guess I will never get used to this "blog" stuff or whatever it is called. Good luck to everyone. Sorry if I mashed any toes.
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...a subsection of the JK section.
Exactly that could work or people could use the forum search function.

BTW my 2012 Rubicon should be in by Friday morning. I doubt I'll want a significant segregation of the JK forum. The JK in the end will have more in common than not.

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I hear you! The 2012 Challenger SRT 392 is such leaps above my '09 SRT8 with the 6.1 HEMI. It got so bad for me I traded my Challenger in to buy a 2012 Rubicon.

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