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Old 02-22-2012, 02:33 PM   #61
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This is probably why I shouldnt off road,,,,,,,,,,,,I whoud GUN it all the time.

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Old 02-22-2012, 02:59 PM   #62
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Morons.

Guys in the video, I mean. Not y'all.

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Old 02-22-2012, 03:12 PM   #63
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What type of deductible would you get hit with to cover everything? I guess the answer is kinda obvious. It would be the comp/collision one but I'd imagine it be several thousand dollars and that's before the higher insurance comes into play on the next vehicle resulting from this.
Yeah I'd imagine that after the deductible and insurance comes Into play you lose several thousand dollars. Plus your premium is going to skyrocket cuz now you are labeled as an off roader AND a terrible driver. And that's if you can even get insurance any more. It's becoming more and more common, especially in Europe to be deemed "uninsurable" if you are prone to this kind of stuff.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:49 PM   #64
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Slow or fast, mud and hills requires experience that takes years to develop, and you have to keep it up on a per vehicle basis. It's a 2012 Jeep, you guys are being hard on the guy. As much as it is a JK, it is a new machine, that drives differently, and needs time to be evaluated and learned by the owner, regardless of if he had even a 2011 JK before that.

To share my story when starting off wheeling, I was on a So Cal trail deemed very easy (The Cleghorn Trail), and it was all good and fun and dandy until it started to rain. I got to a section of the trail that had what looked like a relatively easy up hill climb, not too steep, but it looked wet. It was not puddled, so I drove ahead at moderate speed. As I started going up, I started to dig in and knew it was a bad idea to keep going. So, I stopped to assess the situation, the mud was just really thick and mucky, so I decided that I would turn back and head out where I came from (1 hr drive back to the start of the trail from basically the end).
Anyway, as I started to back up, the truck started to slide towards the edge. Move forward... slide towards the edge. Had to evacuate my passengers and very, very slowly make my way backwards while sliding closer to the edge each time. Luckily, I got to a spot where the rear tires sat on firmer ground and could help straighten out the truck. But, I almost had to sit there and wait for someone to come tug me, which given the weather, might not have been any time soon. There was nothing around to attach a strap to, either, except some small little trees that would surely have been yanked out by the winch cable.
Lesson learned that day, always assess the terrain condition of any hill that appears even remotely wet, avoid if possible (no matter how simple it looks). Assume that you will get stuck, and have a concrete plan for extraction. If one can't be made, find an alternate route. Yes, yes, I know... don't wheel alone. I still don't follow that rule, but find myself religiously following a lot of other ones that sometimes seem to over-do it, but better safe than sorry.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:49 PM   #65
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Slow or fast, mud and hills requires experience that takes years to develop, and you have to keep it up on a per vehicle basis. It's a 2012 Jeep, you guys are being hard on the guy. As much as it is a JK, it is a new machine, that drives differently, and needs time to be evaluated and learned by the owner, regardless of if he had even a 2011 JK before that.
I don't think we are being to hard. I think the consensus is in agreement on this one.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:13 PM   #66
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Inexperienced driver. Bad instructions to driver. Glad they walked away.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:24 AM   #67
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Not sure if it's a 2012 like the first vid but a new one up today. Why would you not wear a seat belt?
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:29 AM   #68
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No seat belts !

Too many younguns don't want ANY RESTRICTIONS ONEM--it don't matter what the result might be !

Live and learn--SOMETIMES !

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Old 02-25-2012, 12:13 PM   #69
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Why would you not wear a seat belt?
Exactly. I've thought about getting those 3 point restraints because I'm paranoid. I used to be an EMT and can't believe people will even get in a moving vehicle without a seat belt. He's lucky he didn't get killed.

Like the first video, going WAY too fast!
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:38 PM   #70
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That jeep could have crawled through there at idle. Glad no one was hurt.
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:28 PM   #71
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In the sand video it looks like someone got ejected at the very end. Stupid driving and no seat belts?
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:47 PM   #72
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Put it in second gear and giver her all she's got!
Funny how dumb some people are. Four low, second gear, zero throttle and they would have crawled right through. It is a Jeep, not a pre-runner.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:21 AM   #73
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"Put it in 2nd and give her all she's got" Inexperienced driver and spotter IMO.

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He may have had the front locker on. That could have contributed to not being able to turn to the left and plowing straight ahead off the edge. It is a bit of an eye opener of how the turning radius changes with the Rubi front locked and add that to what everyone else said about inexperience and bad advice.
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He may have had the front locker on. That could have contributed to not being able to turn to the left and plowing straight ahead off the edge. It is a bit of an eye opener of how the turning radius changes with the Rubi front locked and add that to what everyone else said about inexperience and bad advice.
Interesting. That's the first time I've heard of this.
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Interesting. That's the first time I've heard of this.
I was going to mention the lockers too. Locked on wet mud with speed can keep pushing you straight even though the wheel is turned.

Sad to see this happen. And I bet his wife will never go off road with him again.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:35 AM   #77
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I was going to mention the lockers too. Locked on wet mud with speed can keep pushing you straight even though the wheel is turned.

Sad to see this happen. And I bet his wife will never go off road with him again.
seriously. flip the jeep once, and she never wants to go out again
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:44 AM   #78
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"Put it in 2nd and give her all she's got" Inexperienced driver and spotter IMO.

Sport cage has moved up a little higher on my mod list
After wheelin with friends a few years back and having a very dear friend roll his, that cage went from the bottom of the list right up to the top.

His roll was a complete fluke with one tire that ran up a sapling and it all happened so fast that there was just no stopping it.

Now, I have a full cage, it's not the biggest, best, baddest or fanciest, but it's more than what comes stock and I'm doggone glad to have it.

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^ very nice cage.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:33 PM   #80
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After watching the video a second time You can tell he had at least the rear end locked possible both front and rear locked. He was trying to turn to the left to avoid the drop off. Even with just having the rear end locked, on slick surfaces the rear end can continue to push the front end straight even though the wheel is turned.

Just want people to know that lockers shouldn't be used all the time. (I've been being mentored by more experienced drivers in my club b/c I use to over use mine as well).
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After watching the video a second time You can tell he had at least the rear end locked possible both front and rear locked. He was trying to turn to the left to avoid the drop off. Even with just having the rear end locked, on slick surfaces the rear end can continue to push the front end straight even though the wheel is turned.

Just want people to know that lockers shouldn't be used all the time. (I've been being mentored by more experienced drivers in my club b/c I use to over use mine as well).
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Two things about these videos make me really mad
1: "young guns" or inexperienced drivers have no common sense. I'm Fairly new to wranglers, but I'm not stupid and don't go apeshit on obstacles! Common sense.
2: I hate that people who can afford nice upgrades go and mess up their vehicles when others (me) have to save up forever and make do with stock yet DO NOT mess up their vehicles. If you're gonna crash the damn thing, do it stock and give me the money so I can use it responsibly.
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Two things about these videos make me really mad
1: "young guns" or inexperienced drivers have no common sense. I'm Fairly new to wranglers, but I'm not stupid and don't go apeshit on obstacles! Common sense.
2: I hate that people who can afford nice upgrades go and mess up their vehicles when others (me) have to save up forever and make do with stock yet DO NOT mess up their vehicles. If you're gonna crash the damn thing, do it stock and give me the money so I can use it responsibly.
I hear ya, the first vid had a pretty well up there guy driving but the second was definitely young ones.
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I just donkey under stand WHY, it was such a small patch of mud, and did he not notice the drop ahead, don't they know always look where your gonna end up.
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I just donkey under stand WHY
Looks like spell check got someone. I couldn't help but laugh when I read that.
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Looks like spell check got someone. I couldn't help but laugh when I read that.
Dam you apple!!!! Hahahaha
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woah. I'm no expert by any means, but he was hauling ass in the slippery mud. no one was hurt, that's the important part. cool to see that the jeep just started back up and was drivable from what it showed at the end.
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woah. I'm no expert by any means, but he was hauling ass in the slippery mud. no one was hurt, that's the important part. cool to see that the jeep just started back up and was drivable from what it showed at the end.
I was impressed that it stayed running on its side and they told him to shut it off.

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