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Old 08-04-2011, 04:54 PM   #31
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Damn your good Mike.

That looks like it took a lot of work looking up all those threads.

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I never understood the need for hill-assist. After driving a manual fir a bit your quick enough it's not needed.

Or you can use the e-brake...
It's a luxury item for sure especially since you can use the parking brake. But I like it. They do get you spoiled though and can take the edge off of your shifting speed over time if you get complacent.
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Hope you don't mind a little piggy backing on your last post. I plan on adding to the bottom of it on the next auto/manual thread.
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Hope you don't mind a little piggy backing on your last post. I plan on adding to the bottom of it on the next auto/manual thread.
Of course, as you all know, I NEVER asked oft-repeated tired topic questions when I first joined WF. Hence, I get to make snarky posts impugning others' honest questions.

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Lol mike.... Stage 1 jet chip holy moly--ur a man for bringing that one up Hahahhahaha too funny (still laughing)
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I am (was) a die-hard manual tranny guy. Then I got this IH Scout with an automatic. I discovered that the auto was better for rock crawling. It gave infinitly slow speeds for climbing up & over rocks but required the other foot to be on the brake to control the descent. With manual trannys I was always wanting lower gears. Granny first gears, lower R&P ratios. With the auto, most of that went away.

On the down side (pun intended) ATs are a pain going down hill. A manual does a much better job of allowing engine compression braking

My current JKU is a manual because I drive mostly on the street and prefer to operate a manual. I was also hoping I could squeeze some better fuel economy out of the jeep with the manual but I think I was mistaken.

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...The ability of the auto to maintain constant forward torque to the wheels was invaluable to the control of the vehicle. I'm all about control, and though the manual lets me pick the gear I'm in and lets me disengage the engine from the drive train, it only gave the illusion of control. For real control of the whole vehicle, the auto won me over.... Take a peek at pro rock crawlers rigs and see what they run.
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On the street, I drive a manual every day to work. Again, it's about control. I have no need for constant torque application while plying city traffic and highway expanses. Plus, it's also about fun for me, and the manual is more fun, and more engaging. I'm lucky to have two vehicles, so I can have one of each type of transmission. I'm not sure what I would do if I had to have only one vehicle.
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I am (was) a die-hard manual tranny guy... I discovered that the auto was better for rock crawling. It gave infinitly slow speeds for climbing up & over rocks but required the other foot to be on the brake to control the descent. With manual trannys I was always wanting lower gears. Granny first gears, lower R&P ratios. With the auto, most of that went away.
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On the down side (pun intended) ATs are a pain going down hill. A manual does a much better job of allowing engine compression braking...
X2, but the downhill brake problem can be solved with the correct gears (5.38s), 4 low, and shifting into 1st gear. I can keep off my brakes better than stockers with a manual.
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You have no idea how a JKU Rubicon, with the NV241 OR -Rock Trac xfer case and 5.38 gears can go up/down hills !!


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I am (was) a die-hard manual tranny guy. Then I got this IH Scout with an automatic. I discovered that the auto was better for rock crawling. It gave infinitly slow speeds for climbing up & over rocks but required the other foot to be on the brake to control the descent. With manual trannys I was always wanting lower gears. Granny first gears, lower R&P ratios. With the auto, most of that went away.

On the down side (pun intended) ATs are a pain going down hill. A manual does a much better job of allowing engine compression braking

My current JKU is a manual because I drive mostly on the street and prefer to operate a manual. I was also hoping I could squeeze some better fuel economy out of the jeep with the manual but I think I was mistaken.

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Ok Ok I should have performed a better search... But all the threads you mentioned were for the older models. I specifically wanted info on the 2012s.

I read all those threads and with the 2012 Rubi (new engine lower torque, 4:1 transfer case, HSA and Anti-stall it seems like a no brainer... Stick shift!!!

The one thing I can't wrap my head around is why can't I change gears under water... What is the difference between the two? The Jeep website states I can drive in 30" of water. Obviously the tranny would be under water. They don't mention anything about changing gears under water. It seems obvious to me that in order to say you can drive in 30" of water that you can obviously change gears. What am I missing?
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Ok Ok I should have performed a better search... But all the threads you mentioned were for the older models. I specifically wanted info on the 2012s.

I read all those threads and with the 2012 Rubi (new engine lower torque, 4:1 transfer case, HSA and Anti-stall it seems like a no brainer... Stick shift!!!

The one thing I can't wrap my head around is why can't I change gears under water... What is the difference between the two? The Jeep website states I can drive in 30" of water. Obviously the tranny would be under water. They don't mention anything about changing gears under water. It seems obvious to me that in order to say you can drive in 30" of water that you can obviously change gears. What am I missing?
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Ok Ok I should have performed a better search... But all the threads you mentioned were for the older models. I specifically wanted info on the 2012s.

I read all those threads and with the 2012 Rubi (new engine lower torque, 4:1 transfer case, HSA and Anti-stall it seems like a no brainer... Stick shift!!!

The one thing I can't wrap my head around is why can't I change gears under water... What is the difference between the two? The Jeep website states I can drive in 30" of water. Obviously the tranny would be under water. They don't mention anything about changing gears under water. It seems obvious to me that in order to say you can drive in 30" of water that you can obviously change gears. What am I missing?
There's no difference between my Rubi and the 2012 rubi-except diff eng/tranny, everything else is the same=some computer mods, but

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...The one thing I can't wrap my head around is why can't I change gears under water... What is the difference between the two?...
If your manual transmission is under water and you depress the clutch (to shift gears) the water (and whatever is in it) will get between your clutch and pressure plate and flywheel. When you take off the clutch the stuff will get stuck between the surfaces. The messier the water the more "stuff" you will get on the surfaces.

As a side note, even if you don't depress your clutch under water you will still get "stuff" in/on your throw-out bearing.

All of the "stuff" you get on the surfaces/throw-out bearing may not impact you, and maybe it will...

The automatic transmission is sealed.
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Sf_Kilo... both MCS and a Jeep??? That simply isn't fair. I will have to ask my wife if I can have both...
Well I'm 24 and single, living well below my means house wise so I can afford to have a few things in the house and the driveway....

The latest addition to the vehicle collection is a 2011 Can-Am Spyder Rt... more fun than the mini hands down... hence the mini is being traded with my 2010 2dr for the 2012 4dr... with a 1 car garage and a 1 jeep driveway in a townhouse complex its kinda getting old storing the mini for the winter...

Plus on a point of usefulness and preference the 2010 jeep has 15k miles on it and the 2008 MCS has 14k on it .....

Auto FTW its just as much fun and less to worry about on the trail...
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You have no idea what the JK/JKU changes have been, both manual/auto and !!

You'll be in a new world with the 2012-whatever model !
Not sure what you mean by that. The manual hasn't changed, and a manual is a manual is a manual, just differences in clutch and gearing.

As for autos, ya, they've changed but you don't really have to think about using one, do you? Least I didn't last time I was in a vehicle with an auto.
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Not sure what you mean by that. The manual hasn't changed, and a manual is a manual is a manual, just differences in clutch and gearing.

As for autos, ya, they've changed but you don't really have to think about using one, do you? Least I didn't last time I was in a vehicle with an auto.
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There's no difference between my Rubi and the 2012 rubi-except diff eng/tranny, everything else is the same=some computer mods, but

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Actually you were a big help. I've gone through all the threads you posted (not much work getting done today...). I'm just not being clear and I apologize for that. It was my understanding that the 2012's have a newer 5 speed auto and I wanted input on the new auto vs the manual. I figured there might be people on the fence like me in regards to the new auto and what it might offer.

Any way I have what I need. For me I think it will be the stick. So far I don't see an advantage about the new 5 speed tranny. The real advantage with the 2012 seems to center around the new engine with more torque at lower RPMs.

I don't know what to make of the manual tranny underwater. I honestly never thought about it until I read all those threads. All the cars I had in the past had a rubber gasket where the clutch/slave cable attached. I'll have to research this.
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X2, but the downhill brake problem can be solved with the correct gears (5.38s), 4 low, and shifting into 1st gear. I can keep off my brakes better than stockers with a manual.
Iv been on some insanely steep and long desents with my 6 speed rubi in 1'st low. Im talking about the kind of angles that make you push your self off of the stearing wheel. Now I'v never been around your jeep but I dont see any auto jk going down as slow as a 6 speed rudi. The only time Iv evey had to use the breaks was when I wanted to stop.
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...I don't know what to make of the manual tranny underwater. I honestly never thought about it until I read all those threads. All the cars I had in the past had a rubber gasket where the clutch/slave cable attached. I'll have to research this.
The water gets in the vents. There needs to be vents as it gets hot in there.

Look up threads on noisy throw-out bearings and messed up clutches.
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Actually you were a big help. I've gone through all the threads you posted (not much work getting done today...). I'm just not being clear and I apologize for that. It was my understanding that the 2012's have a newer 5 speed auto and I wanted input on the new auto vs the manual. I figured there might be people on the fence like me in regards to the new auto and what it might offer.

Any way I have what I need. For me I think it will be the stick. So far I don't see an advantage about the new 5 speed tranny. The real advantage with the 2012 seems to center around the new engine with more torque at lower RPMs.

I don't know what to make of the manual tranny underwater. I honestly never thought about it until I read all those threads. All the cars I had in the past had a rubber gasket where the clutch/slave cable attached. I'll have to research this.
There isn't any data out, on the requirements for a aux cooler --YET--

We're gonna need some hard online info, from new 2012 owners--

I think you'll be pretty dazzled by this new JKU/w the 6spd--

It'll still take you some time to LEARN about, "all them crazy buttons"--

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Iv been on some insanely steep and long desents with my 6 speed rubi in 1'st low. Im talking about the kind of angles that make you push your self off of the stearing wheel. Now I'v never been around your jeep but I dont see any auto jk going down as slow as a 6 speed rudi. The only time Iv evey had to use the breaks was when I wanted to stop.
If you have stock gears and not 5.38s--then you don't know what the Rubi xfer case, can REALLY DO !!

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Iv been on some insanely steep and long desents with my 6 speed rubi in 1'st low. Im talking about the kind of angles that make you push your self off of the stearing wheel. Now I'v never been around your jeep but I dont see any auto jk going down as slow as a 6 speed rudi. The only time Iv evey had to use the breaks was when I wanted to stop.
I know what you mean. Before I re-geared I did have to use my brakes on those kinds of hills. Now I only need the brakes to stop too.

With my 5.38s I've followed many a manual down hills and some, not all, have had to use their brakes. I think most of the ones that need to use their brakes are non-Rubicon’s - since I (like you) already have the transfer case advantage and now I have the gearing to boot.
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If you have stock gears and not 5.38s--then you don't know what the Rubi xfer case, can REALLY DO !!

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Nope never been around a jeep with 5.38's. But then again most jeeps or 4x4's that iv been around that have been regeared run such large tires that the final ratio is close to stock or maby a bit higher. Im still trying to make up my mind if im going to go with 5.38's myself when I get the coin gathered up to set up for 37's that itty bitty pinion gear has me wondering if it will hold up.
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With your 5.38s and 33s I bet you beat us all!
Using 4lo now, is a brand new world---

Before, with the 4.10 gears I'd have to always use 4lo in routine slow off-road driving--now I can use 4hi and the tranny doesn't get hot--

Hill climbing/desending, is a new world-the "locked" TC in 4lo makes it behave just like a stick, with LOW GEARS--

I've also found that even though the manual says not to use O/D when towing a trailer--now I can and not only does it stay in O/D, but the temp doesn't get over 190° F--

The jeep is three years old and it's like a brand new jeep !!

Am I spoiled---YUP--

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Old 08-04-2011, 09:54 PM   #59
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In the D44s and the Rubi HD-D44 the pinion gear for the 5.38 is almost the same size as the 4.10s, it's the D30 that has to use the tiny one, for the 5,13s-


QUOTE=WatchThis!;1440227]Nope never been around a jeep with 5.38's. But then again most jeeps or 4x4's that iv been around that have been regeared run such large tires that the final ratio is close to stock or maby a bit higher. Im still trying to make up my mind if im going to go with 5.38's myself when I get the coin gathered up to set up for 37's that itty bitty pinion gear has me wondering if it will hold up.[/QUOTE]

Yes I would worry about the longevity of the D30/5.13--

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Actually you were a big help. I've gone through all the threads you posted (not much work getting done today...). I'm just not being clear and I apologize for that. It was my understanding that the 2012's have a newer 5 speed auto and I wanted input on the new auto vs the manual. I figured there might be people on the fence like me in regards to the new auto and what it might offer.

Any way I have what I need. For me I think it will be the stick. So far I don't see an advantage about the new 5 speed tranny. The real advantage with the 2012 seems to center around the new engine with more torque at lower RPMs.

I don't know what to make of the manual tranny underwater. I honestly never thought about it until I read all those threads. All the cars I had in the past had a rubber gasket where the clutch/slave cable attached. I'll have to research this.
so i'm sorry to re-ignite an old thread but wondering what you ended up doing...

i'm looking for a 2012 sahara JKU and cant decide if i should get auto or MT. based on the fact im looking for sahara you know i'm not off roading, but i have a sports car now im trading in for the freedom (and no roof) of a JKU. love the short throws and driving the 6 speed. i know the 2012 auto transmission has "manual mode" and im not sure how i will like the long throws on the wrangler...

anyone care to weigh in on that? im strictly speaking about on-road driving here. is the MT any more lively?

of note, a dealer right by my house has the truck i want with every option im looking for. its just auto. going MT would mean special order most likely and a 6-8 week delay.

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