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Old 01-01-2012, 10:10 AM   #61
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Would love to but I needed something my wife could (would) drive too. For now auto is MUCH easier/safer with kids piled into the back anyway. I'll get a manual again when they aren't yelling and crying in their car seats anymore.
I understand the wife driving part, but what the heck does a manual have to do with safety and kids?

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I thought one of the advantages of the auto was that it was better sealed against water/sand/mud.

Is the auto or manual better sealed?

What is the best link for the best way to extend the breathers for a 2012 Rubi Unlimited?

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I thought one of the advantages of the auto was that it was better sealed against water/sand/mud.

Is the auto or manual better sealed?

What is the best link for the best way to extend the breathers for a 2012 Rubi Unlimited?
The MT would be better suited for water and mud than an AT. One thing to keep in mind is it's a Jeep, not a boat or submarine, so knowing how deep the water/mud is would be a plus.
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The MT would be better suited for water and mud than an AT. One thing to keep in mind is it's a Jeep, not a boat or submarine, so knowing how deep the water/mud is would be a plus.
The MT has disadvantages as well. You shouldn't use the clutch when submerged as it could allow water/mud to enter the clutch housing.
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Old 01-01-2012, 02:38 PM   #66
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I have a '12 JKUR and get that deep rather frequently. I am in the process of extending the breather tubes. Is there any other point in the trans or transfer case where water could enter?
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The MT has disadvantages as well. You shouldn't use the clutch when submerged as it could allow water/mud to enter the clutch housing.

Yes! Each has its weakness, but the MT would be the better choice in mud or water, IMO. The key with the MT would be pick a gear before entering the water or mud and stay in it, don't shift while in mud or water.
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Im new to the whole Jeep thing, But not new to doing things outside of the warranty. But like they say with anything. You gotta pay to play. Ive gone through some pretty deep stuff in my Sport without any issue. If i do have problems I attempt to figure them out on my own before dealing with a dealership.
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I just wanna talk from experience, I've also gone through a lot deeper water than that mud hole, and I have a JKR, and my stock breathing tubes are mounted a lot higher than that mud hole
I mean yeh, inexperience will come back to haunt you, but even if you were trying to get out of that hole for 15 minutes it shouldn't have flooded anything because your breathing tubes if connected correctly are higher than that
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What is the best link for the best way to extend the breathers for a 2012 Rubi Unlimited?
This one is pretty good, but I'm sure there are others from this forum that I have not found yet.
http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13156
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I just wanna talk from experience, I've also gone through a lot deeper water than that mud hole, and I have a JKR, and my stock breathing tubes are mounted a lot higher than that mud hole
I mean yeh, inexperience will come back to haunt you, but even if you were trying to get out of that hole for 15 minutes it shouldn't have flooded anything because your breathing tubes if connected correctly are higher than that
Yeah has anybody figured out how the heck the water actually got in those driveline parts to begin with? Is that one pic the deepest you went?
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Yeah has anybody figured out how the heck the water actually got in those driveline parts to begin with? Is that one pic the deepest you went?
He was stuck in that hole for at least 15 minutes, shifting gears, spinning tires, and thowing water every where. That's much different than rolling through a water hole that is twice as deep.
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He was stuck in that hole for at least 15 minutes, shifting gears, spinning tires, and thowing water every where. That's much different than rolling through a water hole that is twice as deep.
And your statement is exactly what we are wondering about. How is it different? Presuming the dealer had the vents connected properly, how did the water get into all four of these expensive components? Through the shaft seals? The factory cork/paper coated gaskets? I just can't figure out where.
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And your statement is exactly what we are wondering about. How is it different? Presuming the dealer had the vents connected properly, how did the water get into all four of these expensive components? Through the shaft seals? The factory cork/paper coated gaskets? I just can't figure out where.
Could be the heat generated by trying to unstick himself caused the breathers to "inhale" since thats what actually happens - the diff / tcase get hot and "exhales" then rapidly cools because of the water or mud causing them to suck air - if the breathers were just stuck on without clamps / silcone ( I use both ) I suppose they could suck in water / sand etc....
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Could be the heat generated by trying to unstick himself caused the breathers to "inhale" since thats what actually happens - the diff / tcase get hot and "exhales" then rapidly cools because of the water or mud causing them to suck air - if the breathers were just stuck on without clamps / silcone ( I use both ) I suppose they could suck in water / sand etc....
I also silicone my diffs every so often around the outside casing just to be sure!
I always thought that was overkill but maybe not.....
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To the original poster, sorry for your mishap. To the others on the forum, besides extending the breather tubes (which I didn't know about either) how does one go about bullet proofing all these components to ensure this doesn't happen? Like many on here I watch many videos on YouTube and I've seen many Jeeps go through deeper stuff than what he was stuck in. Grant it we don't know the extent of the mods other than the obvious lift/tires/snorkel but for things that aren't easily seen like breather tubes and stuff how would you seal them properly?
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And your statement is exactly what we are wondering about. How is it different? Presuming the dealer had the vents connected properly, how did the water get into all four of these expensive components? Through the shaft seals? The factory cork/paper coated gaskets? I just can't figure out where.
Lets all look at the picture, He is not that deep in water and it does not look like he got carried away spinning the wheels jeep looks pretty clean to me and no high mud lines.
The work he had done at the dealer,maybe the vent lines were left off. IMO
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Lets all look at the picture, He is not that deep in water and it does not look like he got carried away spinning the wheels jeep looks pretty clean to me and no high mud lines.
The work he had done at the dealer,maybe the vent lines were left off. IMO
Yeah I am not buying the rocking-back-and-forth thing causing the problem, unless he rocked the freakin' vent lines off. I guess that's possible, and no, that's not what you are supposed to do if you get stuck in water like that, but still ...
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Lets all look at the picture, He is not that deep in water and it does not look like he got carried away spinning the wheels jeep looks pretty clean to me and no high mud lines.
The work he had done at the dealer,maybe the vent lines were left off. IMO
Look at his tires. They are BFG MT KM's. Now do you still think he didn't get "carried away spinning the wheels?"
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Yeah I am not buying the rocking-back-and-forth thing causing the problem,
You don't need to "buy it", but that's what happened.
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Like many on here I watch many videos on YouTube and I've seen many Jeeps go through deeper stuff than what he was stuck in.
There is a huge difference between going through and being stuck. Once you're stuck in water, reach for the strap.
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I also believed his problems were a result of the first dealer particularly on a new vehicle, not reconnecting the breather hoses. Even the best Techs mess up when replacing items when they are out of the norm. Years ago many many shops failed to replace Ground Straps between the Transmission case and the frame when Transmissions where R&R. If the vehicle had a Floor Shifter within a couple of months the Trans would no longer shift due to a Broken Cable between the Shifter and the Transmission. The reason was the Cable was serving as the ground strap and burned thru.
I believe the hose or hoses were left disconnected and just dangled because they were not connected back up. Some Techs do not even know what they are for since Jeep Dealers sell and service all kinds of non off road vehicles. I'm also sure when that dealer Tech checked they were reconnected and there is no way it could ever be proved that they were not. Naturally this is all IMHO.
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Look at his tires. They are BFG MT KM's. Now do you still think he didn't get "carried away spinning the wheels?"
Tread could be full of mud just getting to the water. The Jeep is amazingly clean, sure haven't spun them much.

I can't imagine how many times I have been in water at least that deep with one of my JKs and never had water in any of the four expensive items. He was in less water and has water in ALL FOUR! I smell a rat somewhere, just don't know where yet.
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Tread could be full of mud just getting to the water. The Jeep is amazingly clean, sure haven't spun them much.

I can't imagine how many times I have been in water at least that deep with one of my JKs and never had water in any of the four expensive items. He was in less water and has water in ALL FOUR! I smell a rat somewhere, just don't know where yet.
Why not just read what he wrote? He did have mud on the sides before he entered the hole. The bottom was thick silt that clogged his tires. His sides are clean in the picture because he obviously washed it off spinning those clogged tires. That had to be thick silt with a consitency of cement because it didn't wash out. He was stuck good.

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some mud that decorated it nicely, and then I went into a hole that trapped me. Silty thick mud packed into the tires so tightly that it made them into racing slicks and the 'water' came up to just below the doors
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You don't need to "buy it", but that's what happened.
If the water line was below the top of the tube, then either (1) the tube came loose while it was stuck (2) the tube wasn't connected in the first place. I think (2) is more likely.

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Hmm... that hole looks familiar. You cruising around in 'The Compound'? If so, you gotta watch out for those mud holes as they get pretty dug out from the trucks splashing around in them.

I almost ended up in a similar situation out there. Thankfully, no trucks had recently tried to descend the little hill (narrow path/ steep descent/ just the right size for a Jeep) that led me into the area that I was nearly got stuck in, so my mud hole was more of a swamp.

Looking at the pic below, the area outlined in yellow was completely flooded. I had entered via the downhill path to the left & didn't want to try backing up it, so I plowed on through the muck.


This was the result:
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Why not just read what he wrote? He did have mud on the sides before he entered the hole. The bottom was thick silt that clogged his tires. His sides are clean in the picture because he obviously washed it off spinning those clogged tires. That had to be thick silt with a consitency of cement because it didn't wash out. He was stuck good.
If all that mud in those tire treads came from the puddle then spinning them is not going to wash the sides Of the Jeep that clean. It almost shines. Spinning the tires in that crap much at all will have mud everywhere, inside the Jeep and out.
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If the water line was below the top of the tube, then either (1) the tube came loose while it was stuck (2) the tube wasn't connected in the first place. I think (2) is more likely.

I appreciate your steadfast insistence to the contrary and encourage you to continue typing your opinions with gusto.
I really don't care because I would never drive into something like that without checking it out. Everyone is focused on the fact that the water isn't deep and they've gone through deeper. They are missing the fact that he didn't go through. Therefore something he did while stuck in there and spending 15 minutes trying to get out, caused the problem.
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If all that mud in those tire treads came from the puddle then spinning them is not going to wash the sides clean.
Really? Then where does the water go and how did the sides get washed off? He already told us they were muddy before. I had GY SRA's before my current tires which are the same as his. The SRA's threw just as much up on the doors as the KM's.
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I really don't care because I would never drive into something like that without checking it out. Everyone is focused on the fact that the water isn't deep and they've gone through deeper. They are missing the fact that he didn't go through. Therefore something he did while stuck in there and spending 15 minutes trying to get out, caused the problem.
Why are you so sure the problem was caused during the 15 minutes he was in the water? How do you know the dealer didn't forget to hook up the tube?

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