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Old 06-13-2013, 02:21 AM   #1
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2012 Rubicon Failed OBD Inspection

My Jeep hasn't been driven much in the last year because I've been overseas. I drove it for two weeks over Christmas Vacation, but it's been in the garage since then. It has about 18K miles on it. My wife took it to get inspected yesterday. Even though it passed emissions, has no cracks in the windows, and everything is good according to state law, it failed because of reading from the OBD II because it has not been driven enough......weird, right?

The technician recommended it be driven a couple of hundred miles (he even offered to keep it for a few days to help out...yeah right) and it should clear the codes.

He said the computer does that to prevent people from disconnecting the batterey to reset the Check Engine light prior to an inspection. Although, the Jeep had no lights indicating an issue on the dash, it is still seen when inspected through the OBD port.

I thought it would be easy to resolve the situation by having it driven more, but my wife can't get the car seats for our kids out of the back of her Prius because I put them in there so tight before I left, she can't get them undone. I told her to go to a Fire Station for help.

So, she has to drive the Jeep a couple hundred of miles because of another Big Brother computer control in the OBD.

WTH???? This got me thinking....There should be a function to turn off certain controls in the computer when....say....you're in the middle of nowhere and the computer is more of a hinderance then a help.

I just thought I would give anyone a heads up who stores their Jeep and tries to get it inspected right after.

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This is the OBD readiness test or something like that. It sounds like BS, but I know what he means. I'm glad PA has an exemption for vehicles driven under 5000 miles per year that helps avoid this... I bought my Jeep in March and just clocked 1000 miles on it. I could easily get into a situation where it sits for a couple months.

I think if its not getting driven anyway, I'd just let it sit till you get back. Good luck!

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Given the Big Brother stuff in the news lately, I wonder if the computer reports how often the vehicle has exceeded a certain speed or other such information.

I don't like a piece of equipment on my vehicle that rats me out...or government rules that require me to carry recording equipment for their benefit. I miss my TJ.
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This is the OBD readiness test or something like that. It sounds like BS, but I know what he means. I'm glad PA has an exemption for vehicles driven under 5000 miles per year that helps avoid this... I bought my Jeep in March and just clocked 1000 miles on it. I could easily get into a situation where it sits for a couple months.

I think if its not getting driven anyway, I'd just let it sit till you get back. Good luck!
How do you prove it it's been driven less than 5000 a year? The inspection was done in NJ, but it's only about 10 minutes away from PA.
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There are several monitors that require a certain amount of distance or full warm-up/cooldown cycles to be 'ready'. This doesn't mean that there is a CEL or an issue, just that it is not complete with diagnostics.

These monitors reset if the battery drains or is disconnected (this is a way to clear the CEL). If you have a code scanner, you can see if the monitors are 'ready' or not. Autozone or those places can help if you do not have one. If the wife doesn't drive it, I would recommend a battery tender if possible during deployment, either that or disconnect the battery and just renew the registration when you get back.

If you're worried about big brother, get something at least 20 years old, get rid of your cell phone, and pay for everything with cash. OBD-II is the least of your worries.
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There are several monitors that require a certain amount of distance or full warm-up/cooldown cycles to be 'ready'. This doesn't mean that there is a CEL or an issue, just that it is not complete with diagnostics.

These monitors reset if the battery drains or is disconnected (this is a way to clear the CEL). If you have a code scanner, you can see if the monitors are 'ready' or not. Autozone or those places can help if you do not have one. If the wife doesn't drive it, I would recommend a battery tender if possible during deployment, either that or disconnect the battery and just renew the registration when you get back.

If you're worried about big brother, get something at least 20 years old, get rid of your cell phone, and pay for everything with cash. OBD-II is the least of your worries.
Agreed. Just one more annoyance.
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How do you prove it it's been driven less than 5000 a year? The inspection was done in NJ, but it's only about 10 minutes away from PA.
My mechanic has it in his computer... It may also be written on the back of the PA sticker. Can't remember if they write the date and mileage or only the date.

I don't think there is anything they can do for you with a NJ registration, but I'd read up on the NJ laws to see if there is a similar mileage exemption.
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There are several monitors that require a certain amount of distance or full warm-up/cooldown cycles to be 'ready'. This doesn't mean that there is a CEL or an issue, just that it is not complete with diagnostics.

These monitors reset if the battery drains or is disconnected (this is a way to clear the CEL). If you have a code scanner, you can see if the monitors are 'ready' or not. Autozone or those places can help if you do not have one. If the wife doesn't drive it, I would recommend a battery tender if possible during deployment, either that or disconnect the battery and just renew the registration when you get back.

This.
Put another way some of the O2 sensors aren't "ready" until really heated up. Depending upon how far the drive was from where it was parked to the inspection station, it might not have been warm enough....but yeah I also suspect this was an issue with the monitor not being ready. Typically 50-75 mile drive is all it takes to remedy that situation.
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It sounds like they really stick it too you where you reside. Does that mean that no License plate will be issued? Do you have any options, to register it in a different county, or state?
In Arizona, Maricopa county, a inspection on a new vehicle is not required for the first 5 years.
Some of our counties never require a inspection.
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I forgot to mention, the inspection is being done in NJ, but registered in NC. I was stationed there before I went overseas. We are having the inspection done there, and faxing the documents for the registration renewal to the DMV in Raleigh.
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I would think if it fails a test like that then warranty should come into play on a newer low mileage vehicle like that.
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In Texas you are allowed 1 "Not Ready". I go through this every year because I run a Wide Band O2 sensor on my Mustang and use one of the factory O2 bungs for the sensor. I have a tune that disables the after cat sensors 364 days a year. On inspection day I have to remove the Wide Band sensor and load my "inspection tune". It requires a drive cycle (and $39.75) to get all of my "Ready" indications for the inspection dude to give me a "Pass" and my new sticker.

This is probably why some states don't even inspect. It's a waste of time and resources for 99.99% of the vehicles out there on the road.

BTW, I could run no cats and still get it to pass as long as they didn't do a visual inspection for the convertors. Anything can be hacked, including exhaust systems!

Did the OP maybe have a dead or low battery from sitting so long? That may be the reason for the "Not Ready". Usually about 30 minutes of driving city and highway will give me all of the "Ready"s that I need to pass here.
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I would think if it fails a test like that then warranty should come into play on a newer low mileage vehicle like that.
No, the owner caused the problem by not driving it enough. Is no different than a battery being drained if the vehicle is parked too long.
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In Texas you are allowed 1 "Not Ready". I go through this every year because I run a Wide Band O2 sensor on my Mustang and use one of the factory O2 bungs for the sensor. I have a tune that disables the after cat sensors 364 days a year. On inspection day I have to remove the Wide Band sensor and load my "inspection tune". It requires a drive cycle (and $39.75) to get all of my "Ready" indications for the inspection dude to give me a "Pass" and my new sticker.

This is probably why some states don't even inspect. It's a waste of time and resources for 99.99% of the vehicles out there on the road.

BTW, I could run no cats and still get it to pass as long as they didn't do a visual inspection for the convertors. Anything can be hacked, including exhaust systems!

Did the OP maybe have a dead or low battery from sitting so long? That may be the reason for the "Not Ready". Usually about 30 minutes of driving city and highway will give me all of the "Ready"s that I need to pass here.
Lucky you're not running that way in California. A buddy of mine has had inspection stations, CHP and local PD have him pop the hood looking for aftermarket intakes/exhaust mods, has even had police look under his car for the presence of deleted cats.
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I forgot to mention, the inspection is being done in NJ, but registered in NC. I was stationed there before I went overseas. We are having the inspection done there, and faxing the documents for the registration renewal to the DMV in Raleigh.
too bad you didn't buy it in Jersey to begin with....No inspection for 5 years now... I jst got my 2013 Sahara..inspection stickers says 2018

with all the taxes and other BS we put up with here at least this is one thing that goes our way.....
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Around here, if they check your window tint, during an inspection, they are doing a lot, much less check emissions or plug in a computer. Most of the time, they just check, your registration, insurance, license, make sure all light work and horn works. Pay them $20 and you are good for 2 more years. When I take my Mustang in, I just leave the windows down, and they don't even check.
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my guess is that the battery was disconnected during storage
the local emission tests where I live require X number of cycles to be run after clearing engine codes so folks don't just disconnect the battery to clear CEL codes immediately before running the test rather than fixing the problem

the solution would be running a battery tender or other storage charger when the jeep is idle rather than removing the battery
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Lucky you're not running that way in California. A buddy of mine has had inspection stations, CHP and local PD have him pop the hood looking for aftermarket intakes/exhaust mods, has even had police look under his car for the presence of deleted cats.
I know this is off topic and if NoOBish I apologize but are you saying that aftermarket engine parts are illegal in California?
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It only takes 2 drive cycles. A cycle is stop n go driving mixed with at-least 5 minutes of 60mph steady. A/C on. All cars vary a little but that will take car of your computers 'readiness' monitors.
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Given the Big Brother stuff in the news lately, I wonder if the computer reports how often the vehicle has exceeded a certain speed or other such information.

I don't like a piece of equipment on my vehicle that rats me out...or government rules that require me to carry recording equipment for their benefit. I miss my TJ.
Our Lotus records # of standing starts, average speed, top 10 speeds, top 10 RPMs, etc. It is primarily to deny warranty claims to people who overrev the engine. The engine spins to 9 grand, so this is an important consideration.
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I had to chuckle about this one a bit. I see so many posts on the internet that smack of conspiracy theory that make me believe there are just too many of these types out there.

Call me a liberal....I have broad shoulders so I can take it. Realize that there are many forces out there pulling this emissions debate in all directions. If it were up to the manufacturers there would be no emissions controls and we would be living like the folks over in China.....do you remember the olympics.....they had such a nasty air to breath that they had to suspend traffic around the area to get the smog down enough so that the athletes could compete without respiratory problems. This is what it would be like here without any controls. I for one like to breath air that is as clean as possible and understand that there are regulations necessary to accomplish this. I also believe that laws which account for special situations like this one give me hope that we can have strict regulation with reasonable accommodations to allow for how we live.

That all being said, if you have to have some whacked out muscle car that requires you to circumvent the emissions then I have no sympathy for you if you get caught. If you have the urge that bad for the need for speed, take your car to a track and race it and you won't have to pay any attention to emissions controls. We have gotten to where we are because of the concentration of people around metropolises throughout the country. To ignore our human situation with regard to our populace would be irresponsible. We have been there and done that. China is currently getting a lesson in it.

Our jeeps do what we want them to do pretty much the way they came out of the box. Luckily most will be satisfied with that. To the OP, I hope that this situation is worked out for you soon. I for one (a former Marine) would like to thank you for your service. It is one of the things that makes our country so great. I salute you.
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Did the OP maybe have a dead or low battery from sitting so long? That may be the reason for the "Not Ready". Usually about 30 minutes of driving city and highway will give me all of the "Ready"s that I need to pass here.
No, the battery is fine. The wifey does an occasional start up and run (at least she says she does), but doesn't drive it. I know it cranks and starts right away, because she couldn't jump a battery to save her life...god bless her.
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I had to chuckle about this one a bit. I see so many posts on the internet that smack of conspiracy theory that make me believe there are just too many of these types out there.

Call me a liberal....I have broad shoulders so I can take it. Realize that there are many forces out there pulling this emissions debate in all directions. If it were up to the manufacturers there would be no emissions controls and we would be living like the folks over in China.....do you remember the olympics.....they had such a nasty air to breath that they had to suspend traffic around the area to get the smog down enough so that the athletes could compete without respiratory problems. This is what it would be like here without any controls. I for one like to breath air that is as clean as possible and understand that there are regulations necessary to accomplish this. I also believe that laws which account for special situations like this one give me hope that we can have strict regulation with reasonable accommodations to allow for how we live.

That all being said, if you have to have some whacked out muscle car that requires you to circumvent the emissions then I have no sympathy for you if you get caught. If you have the urge that bad for the need for speed, take your car to a track and race it and you won't have to pay any attention to emissions controls. We have gotten to where we are because of the concentration of people around metropolises throughout the country. To ignore our human situation with regard to our populace would be irresponsible. We have been there and done that. China is currently getting a lesson in it.

Our jeeps do what we want them to do pretty much the way they came out of the box. Luckily most will be satisfied with that. To the OP, I hope that this situation is worked out for you soon. I for one (a former Marine) would like to thank you for your service. It is one of the things that makes our country so great. I salute you.
It's not that they want to make sure it passes emissions...because it did...and I LOVE clean air and drinking water, etc. It's because it didn't pass because of redundant computer diagnostics that don't even show the user/owner there is an issue. That's the aggravating part. No lights, no codes, just a surprise when it gets inspected. The erroneous secret redundancy, especially with no warning, is the idiotic part.
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Given the Big Brother stuff in the news lately, I wonder if the computer reports how often the vehicle has exceeded a certain speed or other such information.

I don't like a piece of equipment on my vehicle that rats me out...or government rules that require me to carry recording equipment for their benefit. I miss my TJ.
Um, you might want to RTFM then because my 2013 and perhaps 2012s have a device called an 'event recorder' that does record your speed and other parameters for accident investigations.
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My Jeep hasn't been driven much in the last year because I've been overseas.
Just curious, are you deployed with the armed forces? If so this seems like it's ripe for one of your State/Federal reps to take this up on your behalf to find a way around that portion of the law. If you are deployed your deployment orders should be enough for them to realize what's going on and waive it.
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I know this is off topic and if NoOBish I apologize but are you saying that aftermarket engine parts are illegal in California?
Not illegal as long as they're CARB-compliant. They have to undergo certification with the state of California...they get a CARB compliance number that's typically stamped somewhere on the part.
Now this is for things that affect emissions...such as intake, exhaust. Aftermarket wheels or a wing on a Honda Civic, while sad/tragic, are perfectly OK. But if you put headers on it that aren't CARB compliant, you're illegal in Cali.
Also if you get caught modifying the exhaust emissions equipment (such as deleting the EGR tubing, deleting cats) you'll fail as well.
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Just curious, are you deployed with the armed forces? If so this seems like it's ripe for one of your State/Federal reps to take this up on your behalf to find a way around that portion of the law. If you are deployed your deployment orders should be enough for them to realize what's going on and waive it.
I'm sort of deployed. I'm on a one year unaccompanied short tour. I've thought about that, but I may have to take care of it when I get back, even though it will be expired. It's too much for my wife to take car of on her own with the three monsters.
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Not illegal as long as they're CARB-compliant. They have to undergo certification with the state of California...they get a CARB compliance number that's typically stamped somewhere on the part.
Now this is for things that affect emissions...such as intake, exhaust. Aftermarket wheels or a wing on a Honda Civic, while sad/tragic, are perfectly OK. But if you put headers on it that aren't CARB compliant, you're illegal in Cali.
Also if you get caught modifying the exhaust emissions equipment (such as deleting the EGR tubing, deleting cats) you'll fail as well.
Ohhh... Interesting. Thanks for the explanation

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