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Old 08-10-2011, 07:00 PM   #1
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2012 Sport or Rubicon?

So I'm planning on buying a 2012 JKU as soon as the dealer closest to me gets firm specs and pricing. I'm just not sure if I'm going with a Rubi or a Sport S.

Now, I get it, the Rubi has the different tires, the electronic disconnect swaybars, the e-lockers, and 4.10 gears. But what else am I getting over a Sport S that really makes it worth it to pay for the extra 6-8K?

I don't do alot of off-roading and won't when I get the vehicle. I want the JKU for towing and some camping and such but I'm really not planning on trying to attack Moab or anything. Besides, with all that money I'm saving, I can have AEV put on a lift, new tires, gears, and all that stuff and STILL save money over the Rubicon.

So what am I missing here?

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Buy a Sport S, and a couple of them aftermarket RUBICON hood decals.

Then later on you can upgrade only what you want to, and upgrade to the parts you want to upgrade to.

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Oh...the sticker trick...like I did with my TJ? I'm familiar...

BTW, don't do the sticker trick with a 1985 CJ7...people will know you're full of it. Don't ask how I know.
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So I'm planning on buying a 2012 JKU as soon as the dealer closest to me gets firm specs and pricing. I'm just not sure if I'm going with a Rubi or a Sport S.

Now, I get it, the Rubi has the different tires, the electronic disconnect swaybars, the e-lockers, and 4.10 gears. But what else am I getting over a Sport S that really makes it worth it to pay for the extra 6-8K?

I don't do alot of off-roading and won't when I get the vehicle. I want the JKU for towing and some camping and such but I'm really not planning on trying to attack Moab or anything. Besides, with all that money I'm saving, I can have AEV put on a lift, new tires, gears, and all that stuff and STILL save money over the Rubicon.

So what am I missing here?
If you're not going to ever wheel it, the Rubicon is the wrong choice. I'd get the sport, probably with 3.73 gears (and READ the "2012 Wranger and June 2nd" and the "2012 Wranger Information Thread" for all the discussion on gearing. There are all kinds of weird things going on in Chryslers computer system with ordering options and gearing. You might want to PM Up Hill Bill and tell him what you're thinking. He seems to have worked out all the ins and outs on the gearing and knows what the best combinations are.
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Really, if you not rock crawling period then a Rubicon is not needed at all. A sport will handle most off road trails and if you get the bug later and set of lockers and your set. JP magazine did an article about this not too long ago where they stated a Rubicon was not a very good value to most who buy a Jeep. Now if you plan on rock crawling where you need the discos and the 4:1 transfer case then Rubicon becomes a value buy and a must.
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Here's the other thing...JK or JKU? I have a 1977 Ford Bronco that I restored on my last deployment and I need to haul that thing around. Pullin just my Harley on my TJ was painful and I"m thinking the JKU would, somehow, be a better platform for towing. That was one of the big reasons for getting the Rubi in the first place is that it had the gears. That and I can put the rear seats down and sleep in the back when I need to.

Thoughts?
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JK Sport, manual, ac, no power anything else, "S" package tires/wheels (to sell as soon as you get home), buy some 33s AT or MTs and get a soft top.

Call it a day then go wheel it the next.
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Two words - RESALE VALUE I would def go Rubicon, the 4.10 gearing standard is a huge plus. I guess with the 12 you have an option though. You may not have "the jeep bug" yet, but- I'm sure you will. I can't count how many threads titled "what will it take to turn my sport into a rubi?"
For what the Rubicon offers, I think the price is well worth it.

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Two words - RESALE VALUE
Both the Sport and Rubi retain the majority of their resale. Either one if taken care of will net back some of the highest resale out of any vehicles on the market. It's more important here that the OP gets a Jeep that functions for what he wants and from what was mentioned, the Sport is the perfect fit.
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I don't do alot of off-roading and won't when I get the vehicle. I want the JKU for towing and some camping and such but I'm really not planning on trying to attack Moab or anything.
Get a Sport.

Rubis resell for more, by they cost more to begin with so I don't see any benefit there.

More practically, the truth is that while you can't "recreate" a Rubi exactly (e lockers, e sway disco, etc) for less money, it's still a "cookie cutter" item that only really fits a certain offroading profile. You can customize a Sport to your particular needs for less than a stock Rubi. For example, it sounds like a lift is going to be more important to you than e-lockers.

No doubt a Rubi has a certain "top of the line" appeal. And if money was no object, we'd all have them--why not start customizing from the top of the line? But if a few thousand bucks one way or the other matters and you don't need the Rubi's uber-aggressive offroad options (particularly in light of how good an offroader the Sport already is), a Sport simply makes more sense.

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Get a Sport.

Rubis resell for more, by they cost more to begin with so I don't see any benefit there.

More practically, the truth is that while you can't "recreate" a Rubi exactly (e lockers, e sway disco, etc) for less money, it's still a "cookie cutter" item that only really fits a certain offroading profile. You can customize a Sport to your particular needs for less than a stock Rubi. For example, it sounds like a lift is going to be more important to you than e-lockers.

No doubt a Rubi has a certain "top of the line" appeal. And if money was no object, we'd all have them--why not start customizing from the top of the line? But if a few thousand bucks one way or the other matters and you don't need the Rubi's uber-aggressive offroad options (particularly in light of how good an offroader the Sport already is), a Sport simply makes more sense.

Please don't. If you must, get "Rubi-Clone" decals.
Well at least you agreed with me on this lol

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Maybe not so much the value on resale but- like you said Rubi's have an appeal. Imo they are easier to sell and get close to what you want for it
I was looking into a Rubicon for a while.
This dealership had one, but the miles were a bit high, it sold in a week. 2 more came in went just as quick. The sport 09 a Sahara 08 and an older Tj sport are still sitting there. It's been over 4 months.
My point, if money's not really an option-go Rubicon
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If I were you I would get the Sport JKU ... unless you want factory leather, Nav, factory body color flares or top, or the 4.10 gears, but from all you said it seems like the 4 door (towing) Sport is the way to go and then get all the extras you want on it.
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Here's the other thing...JK or JKU? I have a 1977 Ford Bronco that I restored on my last deployment and I need to haul that thing around. Pullin just my Harley on my TJ was painful and I"m thinking the JKU would, somehow, be a better platform for towing. That was one of the big reasons for getting the Rubi in the first place is that it had the gears. That and I can put the rear seats down and sleep in the back when I need to.

Thoughts?
Are you saying you want to tow a 77 Bronco behind a JKU? I don't think that's a very good idea. Maximum towing is only 3500 lbs.

I would choose a Sport. The Rubicon is a poor way to spnd money unless you just want the status symbol or want to rock crawl all the time. You can start with a Sport and build a more capable overall off roader for less money than the Rubi. We considered a Rubi briefly, but for what we need it would have been a step backward. I want something to get through our one snow storm per year and a limited slip axles are better for that than lockers.

Whatever you get, make sure you get the 3.73 gears so you have the right carriers for lower ones if you want them later.
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I'm not too concerned with pullin' the Bronco behind the JKU. Fully loaded, with the hard top on and a full 31 gallons of fuel it weighs in just about 3,000 lbs. I'll probably dump the top and I'm sure the fuel will be in my usable tank, not the Bronco.

As far as the "jeep bug" goes, I think I've had it for awhile now, this will be my fourth since 2003. The sticker thing...yeah, we were kidding.

The Sport S sounds like it could be a better value in the short run. I'll be saving 6-8K off the base price and that leaves alot of money to get a lift, rims n tires, and a few other things. Thanks for the input, everyone.
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Have you actually weighed the Bronco? A basic 2wd F-150 is over 3500 and you've got all the 4wd components on top of that plus a trailer. A 3000 lb full size Bronco would likely hold the record for the lightest one ever by a wide margin.
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Two words - RESALE VALUE I would def go Rubicon, the 4.10 gearing standard is a huge plus. I guess with the 12 you have an option though. You may not have "the jeep bug" yet, but- I'm sure you will. I can't count how many threads titled "what will it take to turn my sport into a rubi?"
For what the Rubicon offers, I think the price is well worth it.

Oh-- and don't do that sticker thing
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The Rubicon has a higher resale value only because it has a higher price point. Both will hold their relative value.
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Maybe not so much the value on resale but- like you said Rubi's have an appeal. Imo they are easier to sell and get close to what you want for it.

. . .

My point, if money's not really an option-go Rubicon.
That's a good point. Time-on-the-market is likely lower with a Rubi.

That said, I'm not sure how much the particulars of selling a vehicle should really play into your purchase decision. You're buying for you, not for somebody else. But still, time-on-the-market is not immaterial.

Now if money REALLY wasn't an issue, I'd actually go with an AEV J8 MilSpec (Google it).
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If you are going to tow anything at all, you should get the JKU. The JK's can only tow 2000#.. Thats not much of a tow rig. Neither is the JKU, but it has a much higher rating.

Also, the sport S is also a waste of money if you are planning on switching to custom wheels/tires. Break the package down and really you only get the Chrome shift knobs and leather steering wheel, and lose money selling off your stock wheels/tires.
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Also, the sport S is also a waste of money if you are planning on switching to custom wheels/tires.
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The Rubicon has a higher resale value only because it has a higher price point. Both will hold their relative value.
And they are harder to get. My sis got an 11 last year and it took months to get it while there were tons of saharas on the lot. She sold it 3 weeks ago and made 2500.00 over what she paid for it.
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Not to Hi-Jack or complicate the thread, but, is there good logic in buying a 2011 Rubicon over a 2012 well equipped Sport such that the extra Rubi "stuff" is now significantly discounted?

I am on the fence between getting a 2011 Rubi that only has Auto Trans, Hard Top and Leather or getting a 2012 Sport with the 24S package, Infinity Sound, Limited Slip, 3.72, Sirius.
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That would certainly be a tough choice. I was actually thinking what I would do in that situation myself. I think I would have to get the 2012 with the new engine.
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Not to Hi-Jack or complicate the thread, but, is there good logic in buying a 2011 Rubicon over a 2012 well equipped Sport such that the extra Rubi "stuff" is now significantly discounted?

I am on the fence between getting a 2011 Rubi that only has Auto Trans, Hard Top and Leather or getting a 2012 Sport with the 24S package, Infinity Sound, Limited Slip, 3.72, Sirius.
Since there is a significant difference between the internals of the 2012 vs 2011, I would get the 2012 regardless of it being a Sport or Rubi.
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The Rubicon has a higher resale value only because it has a higher price point. Both will hold their relative value.
I agree.

The way I looked at it is, if I were going to spend that extra money on aftermarket to modify a sport, then that money would be lost when ( IF ) sold. Those options included on the Rubi from the factory are still included in the "higher" price of the rubicon. Most do end up modding their jeep -some don't. Stronger axles, gearing, lockers, etc. are some of the first things people change.

But I do agree -- if you have absolutely no plans on modifying your jeep, then there is no point. I just did not want to regret it after, like I did 11 yrs ago when I did not opt for the d44 rear in my sport. That is a huge selling point now with a Tj "does it have a 44 rear?" no
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And they are harder to get. My sis got an 11 last year and it took months to get it while there were tons of saharas on the lot. She sold it 3 weeks ago and made 2500.00 over what she paid for it.
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I am on the fence between getting a 2011 Rubi that only has Auto Trans, Hard Top and Leather or getting a 2012 Sport with the 24S package, Infinity Sound, Limited Slip, 3.72, Sirius.
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I would get the 2012 regardless of it being a Sport or Rubi.
I agree with Daggo and ESP, particularly since you're looking at the auto transmission. Maybe--maybe--if I was looking at a manual transmission 2 door I would consider the 2011. But even then, probably not. Go 2012.
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I'm not too concerned with pullin' the Bronco behind the JKU. Fully loaded, with the hard top on and a full 31 gallons of fuel it weighs in just about 3,000 lbs. I'll probably dump the top and I'm sure the fuel will be in my usable tank, not the Bronco.
3,000 pounds sure is heavy for a 31 gallon gas tank...

Yeah I was kidding about the entire sticker thing. Maybe.

Because of new engine, get 2012 regardless of model. If same engine, get the better deal on a 2011. Like what has already been said.
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well...

normally I don't recommend Rubi's, but you're one of the few who, in my opinion, should get one.

Most Jeepers mod the **** out of their jeeps, and for those guys, it doesn't really add up getting a rubi because they'll wind up removing half the rubi options anyway, to replace em with better. In your case, it's different, those rubi extras will stay, and you'll likely get good use out of them, especially the lockers. those stock Rubi lockers are really useful for the "occasional camping trip" type outings (murphy happens on those trips), and being not really a wheeler, you'll never add them to your sport. I'll add lockers to my sport, because I wheel the **** out of my jeep and I need them fairly often, but if it weren't for that need them all the time, it wouldn't be worth the expense to add, and in that case, it's better to spring the extra to have em up front.

for an "occasional camping trip" guy, it makes more sense to buy a "finished" jeep... for a guy who's gonna mod it, wheel it, break it, etc. it makes more sence to buy the "blank canvas" sport. You buying a sport would be buying a blank canvas without any plans to paint on it...
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Also, the sport S is also a waste of money if you are planning on switching to custom wheels/tires. Break the package down and really you only get the Chrome shift knobs and leather steering wheel, and lose money selling off your stock wheels/tires.
Not really. I would have bought a Sport, but without going to Sport S you are locked out of many of the options. LSD, power convenience, premium sound, side airbags, tinted windows and towing package can't be had without the S package on a two door, not sure about the JKU.

AC also comes with the S package, which is a $900 upgrade on a Sport. That means you are paying $1300 for the wheels and tires, which you can probably sell for $800, and the other S package stuff. That leaves you at $500 for the package.

The S package also comes with cruise control and fog lights which aren't on the Sport. Those two probably come close to eating up the $500 that's left.
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Have you actually weighed the Bronco? A basic 2wd F-150 is over 3500 and you've got all the 4wd components on top of that plus a trailer. A 3000 lb full size Bronco would likely hold the record for the lightest one ever by a wide margin.

I have weighed it actually. I weighed it when I towed it from NY to OH when it broke down on the throughway. If memory serves correctly, it was just over 3,000lbs with me in it. It's not an OJ Simpson style full size Bronco. It's the original classic that's about the same size as a JK. The 1978s through early 80s were really heavy as no one cared about fuel economy. They start lightening the load around the 1986 timeframe and I can find people quoting 4,200 lbs for an XLT at that timeframe.

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