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Old 07-07-2012, 07:47 AM   #1
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I am wondering if anyone else is having issues with their 2012 JK stalling. I have a 2012 JKU Rubicon that I bought new last Oct. and have been dealing with stalling issues when I stop every few weeks since I bought it. I have had it to the shop numerous times (they can't figure it out) and they say that they don't know of this happening to anyone else. I am wondering if any of you on the forum have heard of this happening to any other 2012's. Thanks for your help!

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Standard or auto? Record it with your smartphone and then take it in 3 times for repair and if they don't figure it out then they own it. That's how I would approach it. This is a major safety issue for you and your family for them not to be able to figure it out unless it's something you are doing with the clutch, etc.

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I am wondering if anyone else is having issues with their 2012 JK stalling. I have a 2012 JKU Rubicon that I bought new last Oct. and have been dealing with stalling issues when I stop every few weeks since I bought it. I have had it to the shop numerous times (they can't figure it out) and they say that they don't know of this happening to anyone else. I am wondering if any of you on the forum have heard of this happening to any other 2012's. Thanks for your help!
This is pretty vague, maybe if you could more closely outline the circumstances someone here might have a better idea? Is your jku a stick or auto, does this happen during the coast or brake to stop, does this happen when taking off from the stop, is your fuel tank often empty when this happens?
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this is pretty vague, maybe if you could more closely outline the circumstances someone here might have a better idea? Is your jku a stick or auto, does this happen during the coast or brake to stop, does this happen when taking off from the stop, is your fuel tank often empty when this happens?
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:59 AM   #5
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My 2012 JKU did this for the first time yesterday. I cut the steering wheel hard to the left to get in to a tight parking spot and the engine stalled. Not sure what happened. It started right back up and hasn't happened again so far. Glad I'm not the only one.
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I am wondering if anyone else is having issues with their 2012 JK stalling. I have a 2012 JKU Rubicon that I bought new last Oct. and have been dealing with stalling issues when I stop every few weeks since I bought it. I have had it to the shop numerous times (they can't figure it out) and they say that they don't know of this happening to anyone else. I am wondering if any of you on the forum have heard of this happening to any other 2012's. Thanks for your help!
I don't know if it is happening to anyone else, but I would start researching the Lemon Laws in your state and documenting everything.
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Sorry, I'll add some more information here. It's an automatic, 4.10. I have a TeraFlex BB 2.5" spacer lift that the dealer installed 17" Pro Comp 7005 wheels and 33" Toyo Open Country MT's. I stall when I am braking to a stop. Happens right as I am coming to a complete stop. Sometimes I go days, even weeks with no problem, then out of the blue, it just stalls at a stop. It starts right back up with no problem. Sometimes when I am stopping it doesn't stall completely, but revs, then chugs to a stop, feeling rough.

I have had it to the dealer 5 times now. At first they couldn't replicate it, so didn't do anything. Then it almost stalled for them, they thought it was the throttle body, so they replaced that. That didn't work, it was still stalling at a stop. Last time I had it in they had the diagnostic tool in it and said that it was the oversize tires (only 1" over stock) that was causing the stall. They said with the 2012 technology the air intake is adjusted by the speed you are going, and when it senses you are going a certain speed, the air intake is adjusted. They said since the tires were bigger, it was sensing the speed wrong, causing the air to choke out. They suggested an AEV Procal to set the Jeep computer to the proper tire size so that wouldn't happen. I had actually already bought one at the suggestion of the parts tech at the dealer. It has been set properly by the dealer and still stalled since then. Now they are suggesting just running stock wheels and tires. This makes no sense, since most Jeep owners run bigger wheels/tires. They even sell 2012 JKU's on the lot with larger tires.

I am about to pursue the lemon law, but hoping to hear from other jeep owners with bigger tires that this hasn't happened to you. Or if it has, how did you resolve it?

Thanks again!
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I had some stalling issues on my 2012 JKUR that I got in October. Mine ended up finally completely dying and not starting. Had it towed in and after several days they ended up finding a connector not properly set in the left front behind the front bumper area. If you remove the front driver side wheel liner, it should be towards the front. try unplugging it and plugging it back in. I havent had a problem since it was fixed. Only about 10 days and 150 miles. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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I have a stock 2012 JKU Rubicon. I noticed it today while hitting some trails. Completely stock and only 1600 miles on here. This is the first time I have ever had it stall on me. It actually stalled 4 times. I had it in 4wd High most of the time and was on a 3-4 trail, but had lots of rock lips/ledges that I had to push up over. I noticed when she was slow with low RPMs when I would start up a rock lip or had to cut the wheel sharp to follow a natural travel line (particularly to the left) that she would cut out. What was more interesting to me was I noticed the radio would jump stations. Made me think there was something electric. Each time she would fire right back up.

It made me think there is an RPM related issue. My previous Jeep was a JKU Sport but I had the 6 spd manual in her. The sensation today was similar to when you have the RPMs too low and not enough fuel being pushed when you are trying to start up a hill or ledge and the clutch catches and you don't have the right amount of gas flow and the motor dies. It was similar to that.

Once I got off the trail I didn't have any other issues. After reading some of these posts think I'll have to call the dealer and get her in for a check up. A little un-nerving to have it stall in the back country multiple times.

Will let you know what I can find out, but since it is the weekend, don't know how quickly I can get it into the dealer next week. Updates to follow.
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Hmmmm just found this comment on 4wd Magazine during a review of the 2012 JK

"The mill feels weak until about 4,000 rpm, when it comes on strong. Freeway cruising will now be fun in a JK, but the new V-6 has very little low-end torque. The high stall speed of the new five-speed automatic’s torque converter bares this out. Go up to a ledge and the JK stops cold, the engine revs, and revs, and finally the Wrangler hooks up and the Jeep pops up to the top."

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK - Trail Test - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

I did notice a couple of times when I had to climb that this seemed to occur. Wonder if it is a "feature" of the new 5spd auto? More research commencing.....
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Hmmmm just found this comment on 4wd Magazine during a review of the 2012 JK

"The mill feels weak until about 4,000 rpm, when it comes on strong. Freeway cruising will now be fun in a JK, but the new V-6 has very little low-end torque. The high stall speed of the new five-speed automatic’s torque converter bares this out. Go up to a ledge and the JK stops cold, the engine revs, and revs, and finally the Wrangler hooks up and the Jeep pops up to the top."

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK - Trail Test - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

I did notice a couple of times when I had to climb that this seemed to occur. Wonder if it is a "feature" of the new 5spd auto? More research commencing.....
Neither 3.8 or 3.6 has low end. It really depends on the differential gearing.
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Neither 3.8 or 3.6 has low end. It really depends on the differential gearing.
Hi...thanks for responding. Not sure I understand what you mean though. I'm rigged with 3.73 gears. Same gears on my 2010 manual, never had an issue on that one. But from the review during today's excursion I noticed what they did with the new auto.
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Hmmmm just found this comment on 4wd Magazine during a review of the 2012 JK

"The mill feels weak until about 4,000 rpm, when it comes on strong. Freeway cruising will now be fun in a JK, but the new V-6 has very little low-end torque. The high stall speed of the new five-speed automatic’s torque converter bares this out. Go up to a ledge and the JK stops cold, the engine revs, and revs, and finally the Wrangler hooks up and the Jeep pops up to the top."

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK - Trail Test - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

I did notice a couple of times when I had to climb that this seemed to occur. Wonder if it is a "feature" of the new 5spd auto? More research commencing.....
I do have to rev my engine a bit more than he does in his '11 to go over certain obstacles. But we've been just assuming it was the difference between the 3:73's in mine and his 4:10's. Since we plan a regear later anyway, it's something we haven't done much other than idly discuss over drinks after a day out playing with em.

I can't give an objective opinion though since we do have different gearing my experience with such things is nullified b/c of a variable between the two.
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Mine just decided it wanted to stall instead of start. Tried 3 or 4 times, if I kept the rpm's up it would try to hold, but once I let off on the gas it died. Now it won't turn over at all. Filled tank this morning at the same station I always use, and later this afternoon is when the JK decided it needed a bit of a nap. Plan to have the dealer(stealer?)pick it up tomorrow to find out what the problem is. Just over 5000 miles on the odometer. It feels like fuel pump-hope to find out soon.
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Sorry, I'll add some more information here. It's an automatic, 4.10. I have a TeraFlex BB 2.5" spacer lift that the dealer installed 17" Pro Comp 7005 wheels and 33" Toyo Open Country MT's. I stall when I am braking to a stop. Happens right as I am coming to a complete stop. Sometimes I go days, even weeks with no problem, then out of the blue, it just stalls at a stop. It starts right back up with no problem. Sometimes when I am stopping it doesn't stall completely, but revs, then chugs to a stop, feeling rough.

I have had it to the dealer 5 times now. At first they couldn't replicate it, so didn't do anything. Then it almost stalled for them, they thought it was the throttle body, so they replaced that. That didn't work, it was still stalling at a stop. Last time I had it in they had the diagnostic tool in it and said that it was the oversize tires (only 1" over stock) that was causing the stall. They said with the 2012 technology the air intake is adjusted by the speed you are going, and when it senses you are going a certain speed, the air intake is adjusted. They said since the tires were bigger, it was sensing the speed wrong, causing the air to choke out. They suggested an AEV Procal to set the Jeep computer to the proper tire size so that wouldn't happen. I had actually already bought one at the suggestion of the parts tech at the dealer. It has been set properly by the dealer and still stalled since then. Now they are suggesting just running stock wheels and tires. This makes no sense, since most Jeep owners run bigger wheels/tires. They even sell 2012 JKU's on the lot with larger tires.

I am about to pursue the lemon law, but hoping to hear from other jeep owners with bigger tires that this hasn't happened to you. Or if it has, how did you resolve it?

Thanks again!
So larger wheels/tires cause stalling? How much smoke do you plan on letting them blow up your ass? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, next to one of the sleazebag dealerships I had my car at for service.

I was getting my car checked in with the service writer and the service writer right next to him was trying to convince some little old lady she needed to replace the air in her tires with "winter air" for the upcoming winter season. They could do it for a cheap $25. At that point I just interrupted the guy and told the lady there was no such thing as "winter air" and to get her keys if she hadn't already handed them over, and take her car elsewhere. To say the least, I immediately left and took my car elsewhere.
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So larger wheels/tires cause stalling? How much smoke do you plan on letting them blow up your ass? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard
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I feel for you guys. Lived through this nonsense with 2 bikes (not the 'Busa) over the last decade. Both Italian makes, purchased new and started the stalling soon after delivery. The dealership line...exotic Italian bikes, expect them to be finicky. Stalling while in motion on a bike is no joke. Many shop visits, no sustainable solution.

My 2013 3.73 auto Sahara is 1 1/2 weeks old and just crossed 500 miles. Fingers crossed. Any 2013's with this issue?
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I had a pretty bad stalling problem on my 2012 a couple of months ago. On one occasion I also had difficulty shifting out of park and the "HOTOIL" message displayed, even though it hadn't been driven that day. Check engine light finally came on. Got it to the dealer, they were able to trace the problem to a loose connector underneath the battery tray, #C105 I believe. You can see it by pulling back the plastic splash guard inside the right wheel well and looking up. Whenever the tech would wiggle the connector back and forth the vehicle would stall. They took it apart, cleaned all the pins (32 I believe), and put it back together...so far no problems since.
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I feel for you guys. Lived through this nonsense with 2 bikes (not the 'Busa) over the last decade. Both Italian makes, purchased new and started the stalling soon after delivery. The dealership line...exotic Italian bikes, expect them to be finicky. Stalling while in motion on a bike is no joke. Many shop visits, no sustainable solution.

My 2013 3.73 auto Sahara is 1 1/2 weeks old and just crossed 500 miles. Fingers crossed. Any 2013's with this issue?
So the final verdict was, "It's a Ducati thing?" That's as bad as things people blowing off issues here and saying, "It's a Jeep thing." What it really is is a "Jeep's problem thing," because damned if they aren't going to fix that "Jeep thing" on that $35,000 vehicle I bought.
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Good luck getting it fixed. I still have the invoices for all the repairs Ford attempted at fixing an intermittent stalling problem back in 1987, over $14,000 in warranty attempts before they tossed in the towel. The funny part in all of it was they were actually stupid enough to exceed the cost of the vehicle in repair attempts. I had plenty of patience, I was a lot younger, and ended up forcing them into buying it back. This is why I'm waiting to be certain the Pentastar tick is resolved before I buy a new Wrangler. I have flash backs of my days fighting with Ford. Good luck in your repair, document everything and if they can't fix it let them buy you a new one. I came out of the deal making $5,000 for all the work I did customizing my Ford, they had to buy all of that too. I had the last laugh, but it was a long and rocky road.
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Good luck getting it fixed. I still have the invoices for all the repairs Ford attempted at fixing an intermittent stalling problem back in 1987, over $14,000 in warranty attempts before they tossed in the towel. The funny part in all of it was they were actually stupid enough to exceed the cost of the vehicle in repair attempts. I had plenty of patience, I was a lot younger, and ended up forcing them into buying it back. This is why I'm waiting to be certain the Pentastar tick is resolved before I buy a new Wrangler, I have flash backs of my days fighting with Ford. Good luck in your repair, document everything and if they can't fix it let them buy you a new one. I came out of the deal making $5,000 for all the work I did customizing my Ford, they had to buy all of that too.
Do you think just because something's a law they aren't going to put up a fight? Do you think they're just gonna say, "Yeah, we're really sorry about that, here's a new $30,000 Jeep to quell your sorrows!" C'mon now...
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Do you think just because something's a law they aren't going to put up a fight? Do you think they're just gonna say, "Yeah, we're really sorry about that, here's a new $30,000 Jeep to quell your sorrows!" C'mon now...
Get a lawyer and they will have to quell your sorrows. Depending on your states laws you will at least get your money back. My buddy went through this with a Dodge pickup. They jerked him around for months. Finally he got an attorney and the dealer had a rep from Chrysler come to the dealer. Long story short he got his money back, they lawyer made his share and my buddy got an extra 5 grand for his troubles. If you've been jerked around like this it's worth consulting with an attorney. On your own the dealer will try to screw you. With an attorney you stand a very good chance of being compensated for being dicked around.
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Get a lawyer and they will have to quell your sorrows. Depending on your states laws you will at least get your money back. My buddy went through this with a Dodge pickup. They jerked him around for months. Finally he got an attorney and the dealer had a rep from Chrysler come to the dealer. Long story short he got his money back, they lawyer made his share and my buddy got an extra 5 grand for his troubles. If you've been jerked around like this it's worth consulting with an attorney. On your own the dealer will try to screw you. With an attorney you stand a very good chance of being compensated for being dicked around.
And who quelled your friend's wallet after he quelled the lawyer's sorrows? Didn't you state he just got $5,000 reimbursement for his mods? That's not "getting an extra five grand." "Getting an extra give grand" would be being compensated for the vehicle, the mods, PLUS an additional five grand.
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Do you think just because something's a law they aren't going to put up a fight? Do you think they're just gonna say, "Yeah, we're really sorry about that, here's a new $30,000 Jeep to quell your sorrows!" C'mon now...
And what did I say that would lead you to believe that? They'll fight like hell, cheat, and lie, just like Ford did, only I fought better. Should he lay down and get screwed out of $30K? The OP should document everything and if need be get a lawyer. I really didn't want a new vehicle I liked mine just the way it was, which is why I had the patience to let the repairs tally $14,000. It wasn't my money so I couldn't care less. Then when I had enough off came the gloves, realized they couldn't fix it I got 1 model year newer and a check for $5,000 for my mods, and did it w/o a lawyer. Patience, documentation, and persistence is the key.

Ironically it was for a stalling problem too, probably something electrical.
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Should he lay down and get screwed out of $30K?
Sure, that's EXACTLY what he should do!
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Sure, that's EXACTLY what he should do!
LOL I'm sure he's smarter than that.
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LOL I'm sure he's smarter than that.
Well in the rare case he isn't, I have some oceanfront property in Nebraska I'm trying to unload for cheap!
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And who quelled your friend's wallet after he quelled the lawyer's sorrows? Didn't you state he just got $5,000 reimbursement for his mods? That's not "getting an extra five grand." "Getting an extra give grand" would be being compensated for the vehicle, the mods, PLUS an additional five grand.
Did you read my post or do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Where did I say "mods" anywhere in my post. The truck was stock. The lawyer was paid by Chrysler. I dont know why you would assume that my friend had to pay the lawyer out of his settlement. Read carefully. My buddy got his money back for his stock truck. He got paid 5k extra and the attorney fee was paid by Chrysler. End of story.
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Did you read my post or do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Where did I say "mods" anywhere in my post. The truck was stock. The lawyer was paid by Chrysler. I dont know why you would assume that my friend had to pay the lawyer out of his settlement. Read carefully. My buddy got his money back for his stock truck. He got paid 5k extra and the attorney fee was paid by Chrysler. End of story.
Gee, I'm sorry, I got your post confused with someone else. No need for the rude comments, newb.

Now, read carefully. Lawyers don't work for free. Use the miniscule brain the gods gave you. Congrats to Chrysler for paying for the attorney.
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Gee, I'm sorry, I got your post confused with someone else. No need for the rude comments, newb.

Now, read carefully. Lawyers don't work for free. Use the miniscule brain the gods gave you. Congrats to Chrysler for paying for the attorney.

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