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Old 06-14-2012, 03:42 PM   #1
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2012 towing capacity?

I'm thinking about getting the 2012 sport, will it really only pull 2000lbs? Our pop up weighs 1500. Thanks

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Only if you get the 3.73 gears. 3.21 gears are only rated at 1000lbs.

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So you have to pay for a separate gear package?
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:24 AM   #4
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I guess no one knows
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3.73 is an option by its self. if you get the tow package (its like 200) then they come with the package.

either way be sure to get the 3.73, you will not be happy with the 3.21
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I guess no one knows
The 3.73's are an option. Only about $50 but most on the lots seem to have 3.21's.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:01 AM   #7
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Ick.

What's the weight rating for a JKUR with 4.10s?
How about tongue weight too...?

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For 2012's, it is 2000 pounds for ALL 2-door Wranglers, regardless of transmissions or axle gearing.
http://www.jeeppr.com/jeep/pdf/2012_...gler_Specs.pdf

And to answer the question, the two door is limited to 2000 pounds because of wheelbase, COG, brakes, ect...
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Ick.

What's the weight rating for a JKUR with 4.10s?
How about tongue weight too...?

I'm thinkin', Daggo; I'm thinkin'....
3500lbs. Not sure about tongue weight. I knew it! You've been hanging out quite a bit lately.
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3500lbs. Not sure about tongue weight. I knew it! You've been hanging out quite a bit lately.
There's no PW love in the trade market though.

Nobody knows the tongue weight? My trailer is a little porky up front with the two Optimas there.

Wouldn't it look good behind a JKUR though?

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There's no PW love in the trade market though.

Nobody knows the tongue weight? My trailer is a little porky up front with the two Optimas there.

Wouldn't it look good behind a JKUR though?
Download a 2012 manual from jeep.com.
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It can tow way more than what it is rated for. The same engine tows 5,000 lbs in the Grand Cherokee

the rating is lower based primarily no the shorter wheelbase and some transmission limitations. You will have no trouble pulling that. The 3.73 is more than adequate.

These ratins are devised by their freaking attorney's I swear
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:22 AM   #13
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Download a 2012 manual from jeep.com.
Good idea but I thought the Encyclopedia Daggo would know....

Just looked it up. The JKUR has a 350 pound tongue weight and 3500 rating.

It's back on the "list".

Just gotta find a motivated dealer.
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Tongue weight rating for vehicles is virtually always 10% of towing weight rating.
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Just ordered a LivinLite Quicksilver Popup, so I was doing some research and had this handy...

(BTW: LivinLite is the company that makes the Mopar popups)

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These ratings are devised by their freaking attorney's I swear
You are most likely correct, probaby some warranty people in the mix too..
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So the consensus is that it COULD pull more?
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So the consensus is that it COULD pull more?
It can "pull" A LOT more lol. I yanked a full size GMC diesel truck out of a mud hole lol. But Yah I'd say it can definitely tow more than what they rate them at. But again its a use at your own risk type of situation.
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So the consensus is that it COULD pull more?
It CAN pull a heck of a lot more. Stopping and controlling it is the issue.
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If I could pull 3000+ with my <200 hp '07 Liberty, I have no doubt my 280 hp (yes flywheel not rear wheels) 12 JK will better. The factory recommendations are likely based on a factor of safety of 2 to -3+ as well as a the lawyers.

Pretty sure I pulled more with my '86 Nissan truck 4-banger as well.

Stopping is the issue, not pulling.

Tractor pull anyone? I want pics.
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I don't know why, but I think the conservative rating on the unlimited has to do with having an open top. U-Haul will not rent a trailer to a Wrangler with a soft top. I'm not saying there's any scince behind it, I'm saying it could be part of the reasoning some how.

Bill, My wife's 08 Liberty is about the same wheel base as an Unlimited Wrangler and has the 3.7 with 210 hp and the 4 speed automatic. It is rated at 5000lbs. I recently towed close to the limit, give or take a few. It hunted in and out of OD on the slightest highway grade and fuel economy was cut in half.

The 3.6 with 285 hp and the 5 speed auto should do better.
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It CAN pull a heck of a lot more. Stopping and controlling it is the issue.
Daggo hits it on the head, again.

The ratings may be conservative, and you certainly can tow way more than the rating. But, should you? If your Jeep is rated to tow 1,000 pounds, and you are in an accident while towing 1,500 pounds, guess what....
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:08 PM   #23
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Funny you mention those. I contacted Jeep about the above charts as I was hoping they would bump the 2012, 4 door, automatic tranny, tow ratings up to 3500 pounds instead of 2000 pounds. (They had made another updated on the 2 door model with 3.21's.....from 1000 pounds to 2000 pounds).

As you can see, the 2012 prints you posted are missing the 3.21 gear ratios for the autos. It appears as if they (Jeep) simply took the 2011 boxes and changed them to 2012. When I had called about the tow rating, the rep referred to those charts, and had actually told me Jeep did not make auto's with 3.21's.
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Can the engine and auto tranny combination tow more than that? Yes.....easily.

A 2012 Dodge Durango with the same 3.6L engine, same 5 speed tranny, and a measly 3.06 rear axle can tow up to 6200 pounds.
http://www.dodgepr.com/dodge/pdf/2012_DG_Durango_SP.pdf

But I gave up the fight.....if you plan on towing....get a 4 door with 3.73's or higher. But no matter what, you will be capped at 3500 pounds because Jeep lawyers say so. COG, brakes, cooling, hitch design, all that stuff plays a big part in it. You have to be able to control the trailer as well. (Which is again why 2-doors are capped at 2000 pounds).
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and trailer brakes help a lot.
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Bill, My wife's 08 Liberty is about the same wheel base as an Unlimited Wrangler and has the 3.7 with 210 hp and the 4 speed automatic. It is rated at 5000lbs. I recently towed close to the limit, give or take a few. It hunted in and out of OD on the slightest highway grade and fuel economy was cut in half.
I pulled my 5,500lb boat/trailer with my 2004 MANUAL trasmission Liberty for several years with NO problems at all. The 04 manual was rated for 3,500 lbs towing capacity. I had no transmission issues at all. I would pull it up the ramp in 4-Lo, then switch back to 4-Hi for the ride home, again no issues. The lawyers are vastly lowering the ratings from what they can actually safety pull.

As someone else mentioned TRAILER BRAKES help tremendously. Part of the reason for the low rating is stopping the load rather than pulling it. But with trailer brakes it will be no problem
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Tongue weight rating for vehicles is virtually always 10% of towing weight rating.
I thought 500lbs was just a standard tongue weight for a class 3 hitch(I think that's what wranglers come with)

FWIW I tow 2,000 lbs with my manual tranny and 3.21 gears. It does it ok but it's not great. The brakes are the same so I'm not worried about stopping(liability) but once my tires wear out I'll gear up to 5.13 and that'll be better for towing
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I would pull it up the ramp in 4-Lo, then switch back to 4-Hi for the ride home
2-Hi for the ride home? Or were you offroading to your boat ramp?
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The Wrangler hitch is class 2.
My PW is class 4 with standard brake controller...
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2-Hi for the ride home? Or were you offroading to your boat ramp?
Oops, mean't 2-Hi

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I thought it would be capable of pulling more. We pull our pop up now with an 03 Durango with no problems, but it has the 4.7 and has trailer brakes, which we have never used since owning it, but if we get the 2012 sport it seems like we would have to use trailer brakes, just want to make sure it will pull it so we an get rid of this Durango.

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