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Old 09-20-2011, 08:18 PM   #31
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These kinds of issues is why I'm still holding off in purchasing one.
I don't blame you. I'm holding off because my business is off this year. But if things were better I think I might still be holding off. If you look at how many members here took title to a 2012 Wrangler, and how many are having problems the % of people having problems seems I little high. At least to me.

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I have a 2012 with about 1100 miles on it now, only problem I'm experiencing is some whiplash from the power! .....And I've already damn near sunk it twice in the swamp

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I don't blame you. I'm holding off because my business is off this year. But if things were better I think I might still be holding off. If you look at how many members here took title to a 2012 Wrangler, and how many are having problems the % of people having problems seems I little high. At least to me.
Same with the other JK forums,already the 2012's with the new engines have the same *don't wanna start* syndrome like the previous ones.

And the dealerships have no clue? Just get in,turn the key and pray
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Same with the other JK forums,already the 2012's with the new engines have the same *don't wanna start* syndrome like the previous ones.

And the dealerships have no clue? Just get in,turn the key and pray

Interesting. Haven't seen word one about this. Can you back that up? My 2012 starts right now, every time. And it'll blow your TJ away in every measure. I drove a 4.0L for 11 years. No comparison, sorry.
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Same with the other JK forums,already the 2012's with the new engines have the same *don't wanna start* syndrome like the previous ones.

And the dealerships have no clue? Just get in,turn the key and pray
I was unaware of that, but I read on this site just this morning two more members with problems. I hope they sort them out.
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Interesting. Haven't seen word one about this. Can you back that up? My 2012 starts right now, every time. And it'll blow your TJ away in every measure. I drove a 4.0L for 11 years. No comparison, sorry.
Go to the jeepforum/JK section forum someone is already having the same transmission issues.

You had a an 11 year old TJ,well of course the JK would be like an Escalade to you.

Mine is an 2006,it's not stock....it will climb over anything and loves snow.
That's what I purchased it for,not for better gas mileage or horse power.

No one is comparing the two,they are like night and day.
Stay on the topic.........
And relax ,I like the new JK's but don't want to be one of those guys,who spends half their time at the dealership.I have no idea why some of you get all wind up when these problems are pointed out.Folks want to hopefully have their JK's for the same amount of time you held on to your TJ.

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So what DO you do? Is there any more to the article?
Here is the entire article: November 2011 4Word Editorial - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

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We spend a lot of time talking about JK Wranglers and how well they work in the dirt. They do. When they’re running, that is.

In the good ol’ days, if your fuel pump failed, you could put a gas can on the hood with a hose running into the carb and get home. Electrical issues were usually caused by a worn wire or blown fuse, both easy fixes. Points, condensers, rotors were all parts that were cheap and easy to carry in the tool kit. Jeeps got you home.

Today, what if you start your JK, the transmission is mysteriously stuck in Second gear limp mode, and you can go no faster than 3 to 5 mph? What if you’re at the north rim of the Grand Canyon, 100 miles from pavement and cell service, and you get nothing but an array of warning lights on the dash when you turn your key? What do you do?

About the only fix is to disconnect the battery for a while and pray. There’s a chance that after connecting the battery again, everything will be fine. There’s also a chance that you’ll be utilizing your survival skills. If you’re able to get the Jeep into a dealership, you’ll find they’re as much in the dark as we are. R&R today means Reflash & Replace. They can’t fix the TIPM, wireless module, and PCM any more than we can. They reflash or replace those parts (then pray that everything will work).

To be fair, all new vehicles are rife with electronics. However, GM, Ford, Toyota and Nissan vehicle’s electronics work. I don’t worry if I’m 100 miles from service in a Ford Raptor or my Chevrolet Colorado.

Electronics aside, what about the JK’s other glaring weakness, its frontend? It’s impossible to understand how anyone thought the weak housing, worthless ball joints, or the C-clips on the axles would hold up under the intended uses Jeeps are put to. Luckily, there are replacement axles and parts from the aftermarket that cure the issues, but why doesn’t Jeep do anything about the problems that have existed since 2007?

The JK Wrangler was a giant leap forward in off-road prowess. However, it’s not fun being able to go further off-road when you’re worrying about having to hike further to get back.

My wife has a new 2011 Chrysler Town & Country minivan with the same 3.6L VVT V-6 that is going into the Wrangler. Granted, the transmissions are different, but the mills are the same. In the minivan, the new V-6 produces 283 horsepower at 6,400 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque at 4,400 rpm. The 2012 Wrangler’s V-6 will be a little less powerful.

The 3.6L VVT’s mediocre performance at low rpm is forgotten as soon as it hits 4,000 rpm, where it starts to scream. It returns fuel economy figures from the high teens to low 20s. That’s fine for a minivan, but Jeeps need low-end torque, which the 3.6L does not deliver. Will the ’12 Wrangler perform? Yes, on the freeway there will be no problem setting the cruise at the speed limit and staying there. In the dirt? We’ll have to see. Before trading in your 3.8L JK Wrangler, drive a new one. Think hard before getting rid of your 4.0L-equipped TJ or YJ. The days of good low-end torque in Wranglers are long gone.

Until other manufacturers challenge Jeep by building utility vehicles, such as downsized Broncos or Blazers, customers will have to decide if the Wrangler’s electronic issues and no low-end torque problem are outweighed by its great off-road suspension.

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I don't think anyone should be overly surprised or concerned that the early adopters of a new engine/tranny combo go through a time period of finding and working out bugs. I think it is more or less to be expected, and in a few months will be worked out.
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I don't blame you. I'm holding off because my business is off this year. But if things were better I think I might still be holding off. If you look at how many members here took title to a 2012 Wrangler, and how many are having problems the % of people having problems seems I little high. At least to me.
Show us some #'s
Delivered 2012's
And those with problems

I can pull facts out of thin air and state less than .5% are having problems
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I don't think anyone should be overly surprised or concerned that the early adopters of a new engine/tranny combo go through a time period of finding and working out bugs. I think it is more or less to be expected, and in a few months will be worked out.
The last model year...I did that with my TJ and VW no problems.
Probably take the same approach with the JK's......
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So after all of the discussion, are most of you thinking it is likely a software problem with the trans or a bad trans?
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So after all of the discussion, are most of you thinking it is likely a software problem with the trans or a bad trans?
My guess is a software issue. If the transmission was having the problem, it would break and not start working again. Since it is working, I'm guessing a software gremlin is the culprit.
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The WA580 was used in many different Chrysler products, starting with the 2005 Chrysler 300 and Dodge Magnum; it was used with the 3.5 liter V6 and Hemi V8engines. Later, it was used in the Jeep Liberty, Grand Cherokee, Dodge Charger, Dodge Challenger, and Ram truck, as well as every automatic-transmission SRT8 through at least 2012, and the 2012 Jeep Wrangler. The transmission was first launched in 2003 by Mercedes; one engineer familiar with it believes it to have been a copy of the five-speed ZF automatic.
  • W = Transmission using a hydraulic torque converter.
  • 5 = 5 forward gears [not always written out].
  • A = Automatictransmission.
  • 580 = Maximum input torque capacity in Newton-meters (428 ft-lbs.)
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So after all of the discussion, are most of you thinking it is likely a software problem with the trans or a bad trans?
Software. If the trans worked fine later in your trip, it was a software problem. Sadly, software issues are not uncommon in a new vehicle configuration, especially one form Chrysler. As the article referenced, your dealer will probably have no good answers for you at this early time of the 3.6 and new for 2012 auto trans.

It will likely be sorted out in future computer system flashes. At least one can hope for that. In the interim, I'd have a communications backup plan if you venture off the grid.
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Go to the jeepforum/JK section forum someone is already having the same transmission issues.
SomeONE is having tranny, problems. Oh no, I better get to the dealer, this 2012 JK is a piece of junk!


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No one is comparing the two,they are like night and day.
Stay on the topic.........
You're the TJ-driver who came on a JK forum and started off-topic hacking on JKs. I have a JK. Have you seen me on the TJ boards hacking on TJs and insulting their owners?

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And relax ,I like the new JK's but don't want to be one of those guys,who spends half their time at the dealership.I have no idea why some of you get all wind up when these problems are pointed out.
Excuse me if, once in a while, I get tired of reading baseless attacks on the JK and the new drivetrain from people who probably haven't even seen a 2012 yet, none the less driven one. You came on here with totally unfounded, uneducated, biased hacks on my ride, and then act like I'm the one who is going off topic because I had the temerity to challenge your false assertions.

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So after all of the discussion, are most of you thinking it is likely a software problem with the trans or a bad trans?
Firmware, or a bad sensor. Your dealer will be able to retrieve stored codes. I think you can only read active codes (CEL on) with the on-off trick.

You're under warranty, so it'll be straightened out. Let us know!
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I can pull facts out of thin air and state less than .5% are having problems
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First off I'm a big fan of the new Wrangler. I was also referring to this forum, since it is the only source of info I have at the moment for the new Wrangler.

Having said that search this site, you have transmission issues with accidental downshifting, a dangerous thing, and not one but a few members reporting the problem. An airbag installed upside down, a blown engine, that's off the top of my head. The OP of this thread with a totally different transmission issue, and others. IIRC someone had vibration issues and needs a front drive shaft. Use the search engine and see for yourself. Considering how many members are driving 2012 Wranglers, and how many have reported problems I'd say the rate is a bit high, at least on this site.

Do I think Chrysler will iron the issues out? I DO! Am I bashing the product? No in fact I will be buying one if not later this year then a 2013. These things are common for a first year engine tranny change in a vehicle.

You might have a different opinion than I do, that's fine too.
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First off I'm a big fan of the new Wrangler. I was also referring to this forum, since it is the only source of info I have at the moment for the new Wrangler.

Having said that search this site, you have transmission issues with accidental downshifting, a dangerous thing, and not one but a few members reporting the problem. An airbag installed upside down, a blown engine, that's off the top of my head. The OP of this thread with a totally different transmission issue, and others. IIRC someone had vibration issues and needs a front drive shaft. Use the search engine and see for yourself. Considering how many members are driving 2012 Wranglers, and how many have reported problems I'd say the rate is a bit high, at least on this site.

Do I think Chrysler will iron the issues out? I DO! Am I bashing the product? No in fact I will be buying one if not later this year a 2013. These things are common for a first year engine tranny change in a vehicle.

You might have a different opinion than I do, that's fine too.
What about a 6speed?

No different than any other model year
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What about a 6speed?

No different than any other model year
Not sure what you're referring to. I read a few had problems with the 6 speed hopping out of gear, only I don't remember if the 2012's were involved in that. The other cases I mentioned where 2012 Wranglers.
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Not sure what you're referring to. I read a few had problems with the 6 speed hopping out of gear, only I don't remember if the 2012's were involved in that. The other cases I mentioned where 2012 Wranglers.
I'm aware but..

haven't heard of any 12's with the 1st gear issue.
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FWIW(since I am a newb in this forum..I have had this tranny in an E55 and 3 STR8's with no problems whatsoever. The only complaints were the srt's really needed a 6 speed.
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FWIW(since I am a newb in this forum..I have had this tranny in an E55 and 3 STR8's with no problems whatsoever. The only complaints were the srt's really needed a 6 speed.
The engine and tranny have been around for awhile with very good results. The programming for this application has not, which makes me suspect a software issue.. It is common in all first year models to initially have some bugs to work out. This stands for any new product from phones to heavy equipment.

FWIW I have a 2008 used as a DD and have never had any PCM issues. I would not have any concerns about driving 100s of miles into the wilderness.
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SomeONE is having tranny, problems. Oh no, I better get to the dealer, this 2012 JK is a piece of junk!



You're the TJ-driver who came on a JK forum and started off-topic hacking on JKs. I have a JK. Have you seen me on the TJ boards hacking on TJs and insulting their owners?

Excuse me if, once in a while, I get tired of reading baseless attacks on the JK and the new drivetrain from people who probably haven't even seen a 2012 yet, none the less driven one. You came on here with totally unfounded, uneducated, biased hacks on my ride, and then act like I'm the one who is going off topic because I had the temerity to challenge your false assertions.

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No...actually I have three vehicles that I am looking to buy.
I'm looking at four doors to add to my fleet of 2-door vehicles.

One of them happens to be the four door Jeep Wrangler.
Because after owning a 2006 TJ,I would like to buy another Wrangler.

I've narrowed it down to three four door SUV's,including the Jeep.

Ready.............

1)Jeep Grand Cherokee 2011-?
2)Mercedes Benz GLK-2011-?
3)Jeep JKU-Rubicon-2011-2013 (not concerned about mileage)

Visited other forums concerning these three,concerning any issues good or bad.NHSTA is also an informative website to visit,recalls and complaints.I've been on this site from 2006,alot of people who were on around that time have moved on.Mostly I do alot of reading,like many others who prefer to *lurk* because they are trying to gather as much information as they can for their next purchase.

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Well I haven't had a single problem with my transmission or any other item on my Jeep. It has been 100% perfect (knock on wood). I spend a considerable portion of my working life looking at defects and will tell you unless you have the complete raw data then everything else is anecdotal . A forum such as this will always highlight issues and a percentage of any product will have defects. Systemic issues generally need far more then 30 days to establish a pattern.
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Well I haven't had a single problem with my transmission or any other item on my Jeep. It has been 100% perfect (knock on wood). I spend a considerable portion of my working life looking at defects and will tell you unless you have the complete raw data then everything else is anecdotal . A forum such as this will always highlight issues and a percentage of any product will have defects. Systemic issues generally need far more then 30 days to establish a pattern.
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I drove my Jeep today. Nothing happened.
See, anecdotal evidence of an issue. You drove your Jeep and NOTHING happened!! This clearly illustrates an issue with the drivetrain. How is it possible to drive and not have the drive shaft turn or wheel rotate. Buddy, you have a severe issue with your Jeep! Lets start a lawsuite*!


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Hard sometimes, huh?

I think that's where the attorney's offices are.....


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I'm aware but..

haven't heard of any 12's with the 1st gear issue.
The issue of popping out of gear usually only occurs during cold weather. Won't know if the issue is in the 2012 until December or January but since they didn't fix it in the 2011 models, I would assume there will be some that have the problem in the 2012's also. It is the same tranny and they never really fixed it in the prior years. Not everyone even in prior years have the problem. Not sure if that is because some live in colder climates or some other effect helping cause the issue.

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