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Old 02-23-2012, 01:01 PM   #1
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:19 PM   #2
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The owner's manual states a depth of 30", but it also states a maximum speed of 5MPH.

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Old 02-23-2012, 02:20 PM   #3
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Interesting...Any one else on the forum taken their 2012 through any significant water fording within the limits of the owner manual?
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:18 PM   #4
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Interesting...Any one else on the forum taken their 2012 through any significant water fording within the limits of the owner manual?
I have. Shortly after taking delivery in August 2011 I forded deep waters left over from a tidal surge in Chesapeake Bay in order to check on my boat. The waters were about 24-30 inches in depth, with no flow or current to speak of. The JK handled it fine. The only issue was removing the sticks and debris from between the frame and the body after the crossing.

I can't explain the issues that were seen in the So. African Jeep. Perhaps too much speed, perhaps just unlucky.
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Here is the problem Vern, he keeps calling it a #?!$& car. That poor jeep was just getting revenge
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:53 PM   #6
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maybe they build them slightly different for them, to cut down on the border crossing? dont want anyone getting any ideas u know...

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:30 PM   #7
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I took mine through atleast 30" inches when the remnants of Irene hit PA....at 5mph, with no issue
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:49 PM   #8
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Just curious, I've just read a blog post where the author forgot to turn off traction control and had a similar problem. Could they be confusing traction control with hill decent control? Disclaimer, I have no real world experience with this, SE Michigan barely has dirt roads, let alone water fords.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:59 PM   #9
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I'm not getting it seriously deep until I've rigged her for that kind of play; a subject I'm trying to learn more about.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:14 PM   #10
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If he was going against a current of say 10mph and he was going 5mph, would this not be the same as going 10-15mph through water with no current? Thus maybe some splashed into the air intake? Did the op check if there was any moisture in the air filter after?

Not to experienced in water fording but just a thought.

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Old 02-24-2012, 01:07 PM   #11
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Just watched the sticky: "Jeep 4wd explained" and the especially the blog attachment on ESC/TCS/BLD from Chrysler. The problem they experienced is explained in this link. The traction control system is limiting the engine power thus creating the problem experienced in S.A. Turning off traction control, not hill decent control is what is needed. (If I were better at manipulating this forum I would have linked the sticky here.)
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:08 PM   #12
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Ive gotten into some deep water right around 30 inches and never had a problem, also I am sumwhat sure I did more then 5mph
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I'm not getting it seriously deep until I've rigged her for that kind of play; a subject I'm trying to learn more about.
uncle mike you definatly went into at least 30 inches of water with me when I lost the license plate
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:44 PM   #14
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Ive gotten into some deep water right around 30 inches and never had a problem, also I am sumwhat sure I did more then 5mph
Just to confirm, that's on a 2012?
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uncle mike you definatly went into at least 30 inches of water with me when I lost the license plate
You really think it was?

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Old 02-25-2012, 08:18 AM   #16
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Turning off traction control, not hill decent control is what is needed.
Traction control is automatically disengaged when you shift into 4lo.

I don't know why Hill Descent would be an issue in a water crossing.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:28 AM   #17
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I agree, tcs is disengaged in 4 lo. We don't know if they were in Lo or hi. There is a blog review on a 2012 sport somewhere in this forum where the author had the same problem. I believe he was in 4hi while fording and commented that he had to disengage tcs while in the middle of fording the water. He also commented that tcs resets with ignition off and he had to manually disengage it several more times during the drive.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:40 AM   #18
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"he keeps calling it a #?!$& car"

I've had my 08 in axle deep water with no issue other than a little anxiety about the current sweeping me off the pavement & into the flooded field it was flowing into.

One of those odd places where the paved county road actually serves as a coffer dam, with the field on one side under about 6' water and the linear spillway/road draining it onto the other side of the right of way...

No real issue for the Wrangler but there was a couple of moments I felt rather *exposed*.....
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:10 PM   #19
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This is a good string for me, I have learned more about my Jeep! I hope this helps: ESC/TCS/ERM are all related systems as follows: Electronic Stability Control and Electronic Roll Mitigation are both systems which use the Traction Control System and engine power reduction to mitigate loss of stability on pavement (high speed) driving conditions. These systems and their control functions are not necessarily helpful on off road (low speed) driving. The Wrangler allows the following ESC options;
Drive mode....Full On...Partial Off...Full Off
2WD...............X...........X
4Hi.................X...........X.............X
4Lo............................................X (below 35 MPH)
Partial Off allows more wheel slip but will limit engine power if the system thinks its necessary.
Full Off only permits electronic limited slip across each axle.
In 4Hi partial Off is activated by momentarily pushing the ECS Off button. The ESC Off warning light will be turned on. This mode is cancelled at ignition off.
4hi Full Off is activated by pushing and holding the ECS Off button until the ESCOFF message shows on the ODO readout. This mode is cancelled at ignition off.
4Lo automatically activates the Full Off mode with both the warning light and ODO messages displayed. This mode is deactivated if the vehicle speed exceeds 35MPH.
I learned something and hope this helps others.
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Sorry to dig up an old thread with an ignorant question, but I've gotta ask...
In the link provided in the first post, one of the guys says you should never shift gears on a manual when submerged in water. Why is that?
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Sorry to dig up an old thread with an ignorant question, but I've gotta ask...
In the link provided in the first post, one of the guys says you should never shift gears on a manual when submerged in water. Why is that?
Because water gets sucked up by the flywheel when you press the clutch. The water itself wouldn't be an issue, except most water you ford isn't going to be clean. Dirt and debris can really mess things up.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:16 AM   #22
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Because water gets sucked up by the flywheel when you press the clutch. The water itself wouldn't be an issue, except most water you ford isn't going to be clean. Dirt and debris can really mess things up.
That makes sense. Thanks! Can't wait to find some places to test this thing (and myself) and I'm just trying to learn as much as I can before I do.
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I'm just trying to learn as much as I can before I do.
Very wise choice. I'd suggest going with someone else who has done some water crossing if it's ur first time.

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Very wise choice. I'd suggest going with someone else who has done some water crossing if it's ur first time.

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Oh I certainly hope to find someone for that. I might even look into a class before I do anything too major. I know some people say it's a waste since most people on the trails will help you with advice n' stuff but I really liked the Rider's Edge course I took when I bought my Harley. I'm definitely one to be over prepared. Just ordered my winch last night.

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