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Old 06-15-2011, 02:08 PM   #601
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I was the one that mentioned it. My Jeep dealer in Indiana is offering it on all 2012s. This isn't a nationwide program.
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Not really, but we've argued enough today. Plus, Jeep dealers never go out of business.
You confirmed that I was correct in the above post. It's a dealer warranty not a factory warranty. A factory warranty is honored at any dealer. A dealer warranty is only good at that dealer.

Jeep dealers never go out of business? Hundreds of them closed in the past 2 years.

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Your right to look at it at 2,500 rpm. That's a very important point in the map. But I think 13.6% is fairly significant.

If we were talking about horsepower or fuel consumption and I told you it was 13% better, how would you feel? 13.6% in the powertrain world is a big number. Most of the OEM's would pay millions for a 5% improvement in fuel economy - so a 13% improvement in torque must be worth something??? I know I'll be enjoying those extra foot-pounds in my 2012. As long as we keep going in the right direction!
Yep yep yep--Absolutely.

I am not, in any way, claiming that 13.6% is inconsequential. If you offered to touch my hood with a magic wand and increase my MPG, hp, or torque by 13.6% I would undoubtedly take it. Hell, I'd pay you for it. I believe all of you are making the right choice, and if I was looking for a Jeep today, I'd wait for the 2012s just like you.

My point is simply that "3.8=minivans only" and "3.6=monster Jeep near diesel torque master dominance" isn't really reflected by the evidence, and that those of us who are happy with the 3.8s are not blind or dense. The 3.8 was a good engine, and the 3.6 should certainly be better.

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Well I know for sure I'll be feeling a horsepower deficit because my car has 420hp in stock form. I have accepted this because I need a vehicle that can handle NY and it's 4 seasons. When I need speed, I have my Ducati 1098S. For the other times, I'll have my Jeep. I also got tired of worrying about dings and dents and curb rash from parking and all that stuff. The timing worked out perfectly for me as my car goes back in October and the 2012's will be out a few months prior to that. The new engine is just a bonus.

I ordered the Jeep with everything that I've gotten used to in my car. All the bells and whistles. I'm not your typical offroader. As a matter of fact, I've never gone offroading. I'm willing to venture into this new world though because I've always been into fast cars. I've learned quite a lot from all you guys here to the point where I'm compiling a list of mods already for my Jeep. The YJ, TJ, CJ etc and which is better never really mattered to me because I wasn't into them in those days. I just see it as an evolution of the previous model. All I can say is enjoy what you have, buy what you can afford and wave.
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Just out of curiousity the chart is for a challenger wouldn't a Grand Cherokee Chart be more relevant?

Has someone seen the real numbers for the 12? I haven't. All I know is the 3.6 makes 260 torque in all applications. I'm not on any of the other forums so maybe I missed the info. All we know is 260 torque and hopefully somewhere around 283 hp right?
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I agree with Mike. the 3.6 is definitely going to be better and everyone is definitely smart to wait. If I wasn't happy I would trade up, but I'm perfectly happy with not only my engine, but everything I've already put into my Jeep.
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You confirmed that I was correct in the above post. It's a dealer warranty not a factory warranty. A factory warranty is honored at any dealer. A dealer warranty is only good at that dealer.

Jeep dealers never go out of business? Hundreds of them closed in the past 2 years.
Okay so I'll argue. It is a factory Chrysler warranty. They are just extending the power train warranty from the 5yr/100K miles standard warranty to lifetime like the one they offered in 08-09. You can buy that from Chrysler today if you want to (the extended lifetime pwr train one). This dealer is throwing it in a no extra cost (so they claim), but they have to be passing the cost one somehow unless it's so little that they can eat it. I'm going to get some info from my buddy that works there. He still claims that I'll get 4-6% (not set yet) under invoice plus $200 fee using the CDI discount.
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Okay so I'll argue. It is a factory Chrysler warranty. They are just extending the power train warranty from the 5yr/100K miles standard warranty to lifetime like the one they offered in 08-09. You can buy that from Chrysler today if you want to (the extended lifetime pwr train one). This dealer is throwing it in a no extra cost (so they claim), but they have to be passing the cost one somehow unless it's so little that they can eat it. I'm going to get some info from my buddy that works there. He still claims that I'll get 4-6% (not set yet) under invoice plus $200 fee using the CDI discount.
You're going to have to read the fine print to see which you are getting and how much. Nothing is free. There's nothing to argue about.
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Just out of curiousity the chart is for a challenger wouldn't a Grand Cherokee Chart be more relevant?

Has someone seen the real numbers for the 12? I haven't. All I know is the 3.6 makes 260 torque in all applications. I'm not on any of the other forums so maybe I missed the info. All we know is 260 torque and hopefully somewhere around 283 hp right?
No, Pat. It wouldn't because of the inertial weight of the vehicle. I wish I could provide the Wrangler Power and Torque curves, but that's not public information. I'll just say this, when you have the same base engine without significant hardware modifications, you make more power by going to higher rpms. The torque curve at the bottom end of the speed range will be about the same for all Pentastar engines unless there is a fundamental change in hardware or calibration (i.e., a new chip and/or adding DI or Multi-air or something like that to change the thermodynamics or pumping losses).
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You're going to have to read the fine print to see which you are getting and how much. Nothing is free. There's nothing to argue about.
I read the fine print and it says... Section 12.4b: Your warranty is just as good as Tom's, but your Jeep is faster and gets 5 Mpg better on the highway"

In all seriousness, it's the same lifetime Chrysler power train warranty, but it does have a $250 deductible.
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Thanks so much for everyone's contributions! I recently ordered 2012 Rubi Unlimited with your help. I asked my dealer for a tow package when I ordered. I just noticed on my order form, it says AHQ "Max Tow Package.". That sounds good on the surface, but reading the forums AHT "Trailer Tow Group" seems the better option with sway control and a Class V hitch. Is that the case? Can you even get the AHT package on a Rubi? Thanks again for this great community. First ever Jeep for me!
On the 2 Door I ordered it says AHT Trailer Tow Group. I wonder if it's just different for the Unlimited?
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Well I know for sure I'll be feeling a horsepower deficit because my car has 420hp in stock form. I have accepted this because I need a vehicle that can handle NY and it's 4 seasons. When I need speed, I have my Ducati 1098S. For the other times, I'll have my Jeep. I also got tired of worrying about dings and dents and curb rash from parking and all that stuff. The timing worked out perfectly for me as my car goes back in October and the 2012's will be out a few months prior to that. The new engine is just a bonus.

I ordered the Jeep with everything that I've gotten used to in my car. All the bells and whistles. I'm not your typical offroader. As a matter of fact, I've never gone offroading. I'm willing to venture into this new world though because I've always been into fast cars. I've learned quite a lot from all you guys here to the point where I'm compiling a list of mods already for my Jeep. The YJ, TJ, CJ etc and which is better never really mattered to me because I wasn't into them in those days. I just see it as an evolution of the previous model. All I can say is enjoy what you have, buy what you can afford and wave.
Man, for the first five minutes, it must be like pulling teeth with a pliers when you move from that Ducati to the Jeep. Of course, then, there will be the satisfaction of knowing that you go through a river or foot-deep mud with the Jeep and still make it out the other side!!
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Thanks so much for everyone's contributions! I recently ordered 2012 Rubi Unlimited with your help. I asked my dealer for a tow package when I ordered. I just noticed on my order form, it says AHQ "Max Tow Package.". That sounds good on the surface, but reading the forums AHT "Trailer Tow Group" seems the better option with sway control and a Class V hitch. Is that the case? Can you even get the AHT package on a Rubi? Thanks again for this great community. First ever Jeep for me!
The Max Tow Group will be $320 (MSRP) vs. the Trailer Tow Group at $270 (MSRP). The Trailer Tow Group is NOT available on Unlmitied Rubicons. It doesn't make sense to me that the Max Tow Group will include LESS ....

Guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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The Max Tow Group will be $320 (MSRP) vs. the Trailer Tow Group at $270 (MSRP). The Trailer Tow Group is NOT available on Rubicons. It doesn't make sense to me that the Max Tow Group will include LESS ....

Guess I'll just have to wait and see.
That's interesting. I ordered my Rubicon with the AHT package.
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I read the fine print and it says... Section 12.4b: Your warranty is just as good as Tom's, but your Jeep is faster and gets 5 Mpg better on the highway"


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In all seriousness, it's the same lifetime Chrysler power train warranty, but it does have a $250 deductible.
Mine doesn't have a deductible.
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That's interesting. I ordered my Rubicon with the AHT package.
2 or 4 Door?
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Same here. Looking forward to pics of your new Wrangler!
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Same here. Looking forward to pics of your new Wrangler!
For sure. The wait will be horrible
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2-door (did I miss something in the thread about 2 vs. 4 doors??)
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2-door (did I miss something in the thread about 2 vs. 4 doors??)
I ordered 2 Door and got AHT also. He ordered unlimited and got Max Tow. I wonder if that's the issue
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I ordered 2 Door and got AHT also. He ordered unlimited and got Max Tow. I wonder if that's the issue
Sounds like an investigative job for our ace sales guy, Pat (who has continually impressed me with his ability to get hard questions answered quickly -- how *do* you do that?)
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I haven't seen the specs on the 3.6 engine in the Wrangler application. But I know that the engine can be tuned at the factory, and a different cam can be used, so the HP and torque numbers and ranges can change. That's if Chyrsler decided to go that route for hardcore off road drivers, and get the torque coming in at lower rpms. In other words hopefully they tweaked the engine a bit from the GC application to the Wrangler application.
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OK so on the East Coast most Chrysler/Jeep dealers are open about 2 hours now. Who was the first to place an order for a 2012 Wrangler? Shout it out!
Let's see if we can't get this question answered. According to my order sheet, my order went in on 6/6/11 at 2:53 PM EDT.

All that means is I have already been waiting 9 days since ordering with no end in sight
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Just out of curiousity the chart is for a challenger wouldn't a Grand Cherokee Chart be more relevant?

Has someone seen the real numbers for the 12? I haven't. All I know is the 3.6 makes 260 torque in all applications. I'm not on any of the other forums so maybe I missed the info. All we know is 260 torque and hopefully somewhere around 283 hp right?
Pat, I thought about this a little more and I think you're right. Outside of the vehicle, an engine is an engine. Here's the Power and Torque information that is in the public domain for the 283 HP version.

Like I said, at low rpms, all of the Pentastar engines are similar -- about 240 foot-pounds at 2,500 rpm. But this is still the 2011 data.
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Man, for the first five minutes, it must be like pulling teeth with a pliers when you move from that Ducati to the Jeep. Of course, then, there will be the satisfaction of knowing that you go through a river or foot-deep mud with the Jeep and still make it out the other side!!
Yep lol they are complete opposites for different moods. I'll love them both equally I promise. No favorites here
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The Max Tow Group will be $320 (MSRP) vs. the Trailer Tow Group at $270 (MSRP). The Trailer Tow Group is NOT available on Unlmitied Rubicons. It doesn't make sense to me that the Max Tow Group will include LESS ....

Guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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Thanks RogerW! I thought was missing something. Indeed it makes no sense you would pay more and receive less with the "Max Tow Package.". Seems like the "Trailer Tow Group" would be the "max" with the Class V hitch! Just glad to know I didn't have any other option on the 2012 Rubicon Unlimited 4 dr.
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Why would someone buy a vehicle without even seeing it or driving it. I mean the 12 has never even been proven yet? I'm
Sure it will be an awesome jeep. Why the rush? just to say "I'm the first to have" I don't get it.
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Why would someone buy a vehicle without even seeing it or driving it. I mean the 12 has never even been proven yet? I'm
Sure it will be an awesome jeep. Why the rush? just to say "I'm the first to have" I don't get it.
Im sure a majority are like me, I am looking to get a new vehicle soon and the jeep wrangler seems to be a good choice. And mine as well wait a couple more months to get the new engine.
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Why would someone buy a vehicle without even seeing it or driving it. I mean the 12 has never even been proven yet? I'm
Sure it will be an awesome jeep. Why the rush? just to say "I'm the first to have" I don't get it.
I almost bought an '11, but decided to wait for a '12 since I couldn't custom order what I wanted. I need a car badly, and I want to get exactly the build I want. The Green I like is in production for 1 month only.

Might I like a newer green better? Maybe, but not worth the risk for me. If I don't like the new green, and I don't like the yellow or the blues, I'm stuck.

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