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Old 06-27-2011, 11:54 AM   #1351
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Like you, I don't care a whit about dealer community help. Again like you, it's all about price!@ I placed an order in Calif., 1500 miles from my home because I was quoted a price -2% of factory invoice, $55.00 doc fee, $8.00 fee for temp permit. I have to take delivery in AZ and will pay an additional $200.00 to have them deliver vehicle to AZ border. Note, I do not have to join "Tread Lightly", USAA, ect., to recieve the 2% discount.

I did call one of the internet guys who said he had the lowest prices on the web, but he was a joke! Below is his actual quotes:

$395 Doc Fee
$299 Tint (if ordered can delete this fee)
$100 90 day Temp plate
$? Tax 2.9% Co state+2.35% City/County tax

By the way, there is no 2.35% city/County tax here. I guess that was just his way of making a few extra bucks!!

In any case, be careful of who you place your order with.

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I belong to USAA and I also use the BoA zag pricing. They have always been the same price for me when I have run the numbers. I'll run a USAA quote and see if mine matches the BoA quote. Either way, I am about paying the lowest price and could care less about community since my town and neighborhood are mostly full of illegal aliens anyway. The way I figure it, they are already getting enough of my tax money. The zag/USAA price will almost always be your cheapest route but you will be limited by what dealers participate and if you don't live in a city/suburban area then you will have to drive to find a dealer that participates. There are 3 Jeep dealers within 20 miles of me that do but the one dealer that is 2 blocks away from me does not and their prices aren't even close.

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pat i agree. my dealergroup donates and supports so much charity and represents many different organizations. I wish people took this into consideration when spending their money. Isnt it funny how some people make 35k 5 year decisions over a couple hundred dollars?
I dunno...I'd prefer that my charitable contributions be made in channels where I could get TAX DEDUCTIONS for them and not the dealer.

Of course, that's just the MBA in me talking.

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Wow some of these comments are really sad. I guess I just didn't realize there were so many members that are all about themselves. I don't think a day goes by that someone doesn't come in to our store asking us to donate to a charity/school/sports club etc. The last 3 posters should make sure they skip right by any of their local dealers when they are looking for a donation, or for a sponsorship. I would be willing to bet that something the 3 of you are involved in has hit up at least one dealership looking for a donation.

Sorry for the rant guys, just something that frustrates the heck out of me. I'll never understand that mentallity. Maybe it's because I sit on this side of the desk.
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Wow some of these comments are really sad. I guess I just didn't realize there were so many members that are all about themselves. I don't think a day goes by that someone doesn't come in to our store asking us to donate to a charity/school/sports club etc. The last 3 posters should make sure they skip right by any of their local dealers when they are looking for a donation, or for a sponsorship. I would be willing to bet that something the 3 of you are involved in has hit up at least one dealership looking for a donation.

Sorry for the rant guys, just something that frustrates the heck out of me. I'll never understand that mentallity. Maybe it's because I sit on this side of the desk.
I think a lot of this is driven by those dealers that are sleazy. Living in a small meto area we don't have a lot of choices and some of the dealers are unbelievable.
I also don't think it is unreasonable for a dealer to make only a few hundred on a car that isn't going to sit on the lot at all. Yes there is prep and paperwork and of course we test drove their vehicles. And I do understand that they are carrying millions in inventory. If I trade they are also going to make at least 2-3 thousand on that (06 Corvette). Again I understand they have some detailing costs and of course a small risk that it might sit a while on the lot.
Anyway, with the treadlightly and extra 1% they will make about $900 on me even without additional incentives even if I decide not to trade. I wasn't aware that some cars don't count toward the extra incentives but they would still be getting the entire 3%.
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The choice is simple really. If you care about community then by all means pay $1000 more for your vehicle if your dealer donates to local charities that concern you. If not then use USAA or Zag. This is business for me. It aint personal Pat. Feelings got no place in a business transaction. I am and have always been willing to pay $200-300 more for a vehicle to go with my chosen dealer who I thought gave me better service but anything beyond that and the dealer with the best price wins. The people in my community have already sucked enough blood from me and shouldn't even be here in the first place so I won't lose any sleep in this debate. I have already contacted a few Zag dealers and one already said he has dealer allocation that comes close to matching what I am after. Price is still up in the air of course. I have never been one for ordering a vehicle from the factory if I can drive on to a lot and get what I want, or close enough to it.
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Wow some of these comments are really sad. I guess I just didn't realize there were so many members that are all about themselves. I don't think a day goes by that someone doesn't come in to our store asking us to donate to a charity/school/sports club etc. The last 3 posters should make sure they skip right by any of their local dealers when they are looking for a donation, or for a sponsorship. I would be willing to bet that something the 3 of you are involved in has hit up at least one dealership looking for a donation.

Sorry for the rant guys, just something that frustrates the heck out of me. I'll never understand that mentallity. Maybe it's because I sit on this side of the desk.
Please don't get me wrong. I have to be charitable to be shrewd to be charitable...

It's not that I don't support charities. Personally, I support quite a few but I am also in a situation where I have to rely on being able to claim deductions to stay within a more favorable tax bracket.

Number 1 comes first but I also make room for 2, 3, 4,...

At the same time...

Do I mind that a portion of the cost of the Jeep I ordered from you is going towards charities in your community in ORD and not mine here in DTW? Not one bit.

Why? Kids are kids no matter where they are from (except St. Louis, I hate that place so * those little bastards ).

I'll still get a state deduction on the taxes paid for our sale and those monies will be donated to the community football league in my town and Operation Smile.

I feel where you are coming from as I once ran a university paintball club (UMich). Fundraising is a tough racket!!

So please don't think of this particular commenter as selfish or anything. It's just that I have to maximize my cash to get what I want which does include that feeling of helping out those initiatives that interest me.

If I didn't care, I'd just be pissing it all away in taxes.
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...I have never been one for ordering a vehicle from the factory if I can drive on to a lot and get what I want, or close enough to it.
I guess it's just "to each, his own"

I've never bought a car off the lot... I have always ordered. And, I'm not exactly new to car or Jeep buying! I won't pay for an option I don't want, and I don't want a vehicle that's lacking an option I do want.

Pat, I think you're a throw-back, and along with some of us old timers, you would like to see honest, responsible, straight-forward capitalism flourish. Others seem to prefer cut-throat, short term personal gain motivated capitalism. So, look what we're getting... socialism.../soapbox/
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I'm a Noob on here. Need some advice/help.
Just ordered a 2012 from a local dealer. $1,000 over dealer invoice is what I am paying.

I'm a local business. And agree with Pat. I get hit up 3 times a day for donations. Important to buy local for me as I expect peeps to buy locally from me.

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black with high gloss black top, auto, nav, loaded out

I want all black leather seats but dealer didn't seem to think it was available. Thought I read somewhere on here it was an option.

Also, any thoughts on the temp control? get it or not?

Also, I am wanting to order the FUEL Hostage rims in black and have them painted high gloss black to match the body. Not sure what size to get. I'm thinking 20's or 22's with some Nitto's on them. Mine will be a Mall Crawler since I have my 76 FJ40. Just not sure of the width to get either. 9.5 or 11"

Any help or thoughts are appreciated.
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I'm a Noob on here. Need some advice/help.
Just ordered a 2012 from a local dealer. $1,000 over dealer invoice is what I am paying.

I'm a local business. And agree with Pat. I get hit up 3 times a day for donations. Important to buy local for me as I expect peeps to buy locally from me.

WU sahara 4x4
black with high gloss black top, auto, nav, loaded out

I want all black leather seats but dealer didn't seem to think it was available. Thought I read somewhere on here it was an option.

Also, any thoughts on the temp control? get it or not?

Also, I am wanting to order the FUEL Hostage rims in black and have them painted high gloss black to match the body. Not sure what size to get. I'm thinking 20's or 22's with some Nitto's on them. Mine will be a Mall Crawler since I have my 76 FJ40. Just not sure of the width to get either. 9.5 or 11"

Any help or thoughts are appreciated.
Lots of people are going to tell you that you can save $1,300 - $1,400 over your current deal with the Tread Lightly/Chrysler Affiliates Rewards program. Guaranteed by Chrysler - IF - your dealer accepts the program and it appears almost all do!

Rework your deal!
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I don't want to get into a huge debate over this. I do take it personally only because I don't see, hear or read about the same ferocity when buying other things. I know this is a transaction that most everyone hates. I know it's because of the amount of money and the dealings with a not so upfront salesperson. I get it, I just wonder do all of you do as much research on price for other big ticket items?

I wasn't trying to offend anyone and I know we all pay taxes, give to charities, we are Jeepers and that's what we do, but I was more or less trying to explain that if a dealer does things right, you get a great deal, dealer makes some money that might be funneled right back into your community and it's a win win. I look for companies that do that. That's who I want to deal with and I figure my time is worth more to me.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I'll stop posting on this subject from here on out. Just wanted to give you all an opinion from the other side of the desk. I think it helps knowing the other side of things when picking a dealer and purchasing from one.
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I second that.
Ok, easy guys. Did you see I have a 76 FJ40 for that? Just want a nice looking ride to take down to the beach other than my suburban. Not actually cruising the mall.
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Pat, for what its worth I agree with you. Thats the reason I sucked it up and went to the guy about 3 miles from me that I can't stand. If I left my area I was goign to make the trip to your dealership (about 14 hours away) but he does a lot for charity, and some of the things my daughter does....

My hope is this... I'm using Tread Lightly... I hope to be out the door at Invoice with my trade paid in full... and there is absolutely no reason this shouldn't happen.... and I pay taxes.... this includes all fees....
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I don't want to get into a huge debate over this. I do take it personally only because I don't see, hear or read about the same ferocity when buying other things. I know this is a transaction that most everyone hates. I know it's because of the amount of money and the dealings with a not so upfront salesperson. I get it, I just wonder do all of you do as much research on price for other big ticket items?

I wasn't trying to offend anyone and I know we all pay taxes, give to charities, we are Jeepers and that's what we do, but I was more or less trying to explain that if a dealer does things right, you get a great deal, dealer makes some money that might be funneled right back into your community and it's a win win. I look for companies that do that. That's who I want to deal with and I figure my time is worth more to me.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I'll stop posting on this subject from here on out. Just wanted to give you all an opinion from the other side of the desk. I think it helps knowing the other side of things when picking a dealer and purchasing from one.
I don't believe anyone was offended Pat. Everyone should give back to the community in a manner they judge appropriate. There isn't one set guideline for everyone. There are real benefits to giving to a charity or worthwhile group of your choice with a currency of choice (labor, cash, food, etc). Thank goodness for all the businesses that are civic minded. Put side by side with equal parameters I would choose a dealer (or business) that gave back to the community 100% of the time. In my opinion I'd like to see more businesses offer to round up a purchase to the nearest dollar with the roundup going to worthwhile groups such as Childrens Hospitals. Walmart has the best model I have seen to date.

BTW, I do in depth research on every big ticket item I purchase. I spent two months selecting items for a recent bathroom remodel.
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I wasn't trying to offend anyone and I know we all pay taxes, give to charities, we are Jeepers and that's what we do, but I was more or less trying to explain that if a dealer does things right, you get a great deal, dealer makes some money that might be funneled right back into your community and it's a win win. I look for companies that do that. That's who I want to deal with and I figure my time is worth more to me.
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Thanks Pat. I for one feel the same way, and appreciate all the hard work you've done going above and beyond. I don't think anyone is twisting your arm to voluntarily come to this forum and provide all of us Jeepers with great information on an exciting new product. While at the same time giving us detailed directions on how to get a deal that is more than fair. My local dealer said my affiliate discount gets me to flat at invoice, then there is a $450 doc fee. So I appreciate your candor and honesty! That's just being a great guy.
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So have any other colors finally popped up into the system to order yet? I'm ready to order a Rubicon unlimited! But according to the Wife it must be some shade of orange (Crush/Header Orange which I love either way)!
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Ok, easy guys. Did you see I have a 76 FJ40 for that? Just want a nice looking ride to take down to the beach other than my suburban. Not actually cruising the mall.
I understand you have a different vehicle for off roading. However, you will find most people on this forum will steer you away from wheels over 18 inches. Personally I just don't like the look of them. They make jeeps look too much like hummers.
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Ok, easy guys. Did you see I have a 76 FJ40 for that? Just want a nice looking ride to take down to the beach other than my suburban. Not actually cruising the mall.
Then you should know that 22's don't belong on a Wrangler.
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So on edge aren't we guys? Charities are good when used for the right things. Some of us are afraid of people abusing the well intentioned donation for pocket lining or whatever. If you give to a charity and they abuse your donation, that's between them and God. Now I won't willingly give to a charity that I know to be fraudulent. That's another story.
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Also, any thoughts on the temp control? get it or not?
Anyone know this?
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I know we all have our own guidelines, just wanted people to know that some of that profit a dealer makes does go toward good use. That's all and if you look at it that way and negotiate your deal knowing a little more about how a dealership operates and a dealerships interests you might find it a lot easier to get the deal you want. My whole goal on this forum was to educate if need be and to post wrangler specific info for everyone.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread, so back to the 12s, I have yet to see any new colors announced. Milous gets that info way before me anyways, seriously Milous what do I have to do to get your contacts?
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And it looks like those that still want to be in the first allocation you have until 7/5
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I know we all have our own guidelines, just wanted people to know that some of that profit a dealer makes does go toward good use. That's all and if you look at it that way and negotiate your deal knowing a little more about how a dealership operates and a dealerships interests you might find it a lot easier to get the deal you want. My whole goal on this forum was to educate if need be and to post wrangler specific info for everyone.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread, so back to the 12s, I have yet to see any new colors announced. Milous gets that info way before me anyways, seriously Milous what do I have to do to get your contacts?
Milous already announced his terms..a new 2012 wrangler can't blame a guy for driving to a good deal. Your counter was steak dinners. the two of you will need to work to close that gap.
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And it looks like those that still want to be in the first allocation you have until 7/5
Happy happy joy joy dance! Just ordered today, was afraid of having to go an extra month of withdrawals on something I don't have yet while possibly seeing some new ones on the road. At least if I'm in the first batch (dealer estimated 8-10 weeks) the dealer won't have me hugging and slobbering over their lot 12s while I wait for mine.
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I know we all have our own guidelines, just wanted people to know that some of that profit a dealer makes does go toward good use.
I hear you! But, what is wrong with just plain good ol' profit? Many seem to equate honest profit with robbery. I can only imagine what a dealer has tied up in his business... inventory, capital investments, operation expenses... on and on. Why would anyone risk everything he has unless he can make a profit on his investment. The car dearler is looked at as a crook, while so many do-gooder non-profits that are really just churning other peoples money for no real public good, look on as saints? /rant off
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Don't know about the leather but I have never liked the automatic temp controls in my cars. I think I am a better judge than the car on what I want. Seems like the car will turn on the AC when you don't want it etc. I am ordering AC but not the auto climate control.
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Finally!!!!!!! Just got 2 phone calls today from 2 different dealers saying I can order a 12. Its about friggin time. Said they have some pricing to go along with it. Order mine tomorrow:
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... Said they have some pricing to go along with it. ...
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Seems like the car will turn on the AC when you don't want it etc. I am ordering AC but not the auto climate control.
"Auto" is a setting, you can still operate the AC manually.

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