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Old 07-07-2011, 01:14 PM   #2341
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For me it didn't when I clicked on it. Regardless, I got my 2 auto rubi orders in D1 modified and now have the 4.10
I hear the phones of all the dealers who had members on here order Auto Rubis ringing right now...

Looks like there is hope. Call your dealers, get it changed. Good Luck everyone.

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Looks like there is hope. Call your dealers, get it changed. Good Luck everyone.
Not me! I want the 3.73 axles! I trust the Jeep engineers and my own calculations more than the old gearing rules of thumb born of the previous auto tranny and 3.8 engine! My rubi will see snow, sand, trails, but I go around rocks, and don't need a crawler with gears so low I have to get huge, tall tires to drive on the road. Careful what you wish for! Do your own calculations and research!

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For me it didn't when I clicked on it. Regardless, I got my 2 auto rubi orders in D1 modified and now have the 4.10
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How should I go about getting my Rubi auto changed from 3.73 to 4.10? Who should my dealer call, and what should they say? Thanks for the possible hope!
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How should I go about getting my Rubi auto changed from 3.73 to 4.10? Who should my dealer call, and what should they say? Thanks for the possible hope!
Ask your dealer to call the supply chain manager for your business center. They should give the supply chain manager your VON or VIN and ask to have the 4.10 added. If not, then ask to order another Wrangler.
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Sound advice, Bill. That kind of advice comes from a person who's made some mistakes and learned some lessons along the way.

There's a reason the 4.10 gearing is an option: It's not for everyone! Choose based on your needs and wants. If you want an idea of how fast your engine will be turning at highway speeds, there are many calculators available. Also, speak to any current JK 6 speed manual trans owner with 3.73's and/or 4.10's and ask. Their top gear and the new auto trans top gear are nearly identical.

I just wish Jeep had done a better job of letting us know what was available earlier on. I stalled for almost two weeks on ordering mine until I could get what I wanted.
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... That kind of advice comes from a person who's made some mistakes and learned some lessons along the way.
If I learned from my mistakes, I'd know just about everything!
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Up Hill Bill is right. Here is a comparison using 32" (stock size) and 35" tires. The 32s are with the 3.73 and 35s are on the 4.10. Trans is of course the 5 speed auto, and the 4:1 Trac-Loc transfer case.

This comparison shows that using those two tire sizes makes the final tire to pavement about the same.

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This one is using the same 32 for each gear set.

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Not me! I want the 3.73 axles! I trust the Jeep engineers and my own calculations more than the old gearing rules of thumb born of the previous auto tranny and 3.8 engine! My rubi will see snow, sand, trails, but I go around rocks, and don't need a crawler with gears so low I have to get huge, tall tires to drive on the road. Careful what you wish for! Do your own calculations and research!
No Thank you, You can keep your research, I've been driving my 08 rubi with 4.1 rear ,and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What calculations?? gas mileage??

3.73 gears, I'm going to tell them to keep it.Its a Rubicon,its not a Sahara.Next thing you know they will do is ,offer painted fenders like the Sahara.AARRRGHH!!!!!!!!! they are doing that!!!!!

I am just kidding around Bill.

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Interesting points on the stick vs auto. Never thought about it on a sports car, stick just made sense. I was by default just going to get auto in my Jeep since I have been in a Montero Limited for so long. Any thoughts on resale of a manual? As everyone pointed out, there are a lot stick drivers these days.
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No Thank you, You can keep your research, I've been driving my 08 rubi with 4.1 rear ,and I wouldn't have it any other way.
If your '08 is stick, you'll be happy as a clam with 4.10. If it's auto, you're going to be surprised, and hopefully happy, too!

And, I certainly agree with everyone that Jeep should have done a much better job of letting people know of the change! They blew that one!

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What calculations?? gas mileage?
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If you want an idea of how fast your engine will be turning at highway speeds, there are many calculators available.
My decision to go with 3.73 was based on knowing how I will use the Jeep, and spreadsheet calcs of final gear ratios, tire travel calcs, etc. including new auto tranny gearing, not just axle gearing.

If your going crawling, heavy towing in the mountains, big tires... go for it my friend!

And, if I was worried about MPG's I wouldn't have owned jeeps for the last 43 years!
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plus, from a numerical standpoint, there isn't that big of a difference between a 3.73 gear and a 4.10 gear. i have 3.27s in my mustang, and i'm considering going up to 4.30s. now, that is a big jump lol
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Probably better for when you have the Total Soft Top Failure. Seems like the electics might not like that too much.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/tot...re-100351.html
LMAO! Especially if going throught the carwash repetitively to get the mud off (during a total-soft-top-failure).
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This comparison shows that using those two tire sizes makes the final tire to pavement about the same.

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This one is using the same 32 for each gear set.

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Maybe this will help some of you.

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Thank you, thank you! I've been pretty much hanging out here by myself on this issue. Glad to have my own, perhaps suspect, calculations verified!
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I am working with my dealership to get my D1 Auto-Rubi switched to 4.10 gears. I lost the auto vs. manual war as this will be the daily driver for the wife and she has gotten used to remote start. That was her only request ... otherwise it would be a 6-spd.

As for the gear wars ... if the 7/24 delivery date holds true ... I don't care if it has 3.73s or 4.10s. If I have to wait until the end of August ... it better have 4.10s or my dealership will be doing a free upgrade.
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Just to make sure this dead horse is really dead, in my mind at least...

Here are some calculations on the final gear ratios for the old auto transmission and the new. This should demonstrate that the new auto, coupled with 3.73 axles, will give virtually the same final gear ratios as the old auto with 5.13 axles:

Note: higher number = lower gearing = more rpm's/mile per hour, etc.

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Now, look at the much referred to chart for gearing/tire size for the old auto. It shows that with 3.73 axles and the new tranny, which is equal to 5.13's in the chart for the old tranny, you will be in the sweet spot for 32" to 36" tires! With 4.10's, your building a real crawler (compare to 5.38 in chart.) And that doesn't even account for the increased torque of the 3.6.

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3.73's look mighty sweet to me!
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Up Hill Bill is right. Here is a comparison using 32" (stock size) and 35" tires. The 32s are with the 3.73 and 35s are on the 4.10. Trans is of course the 5 speed auto, and the 4:1 Trac-Loc transfer case.

This comparison shows that using those two tire sizes makes the final tire to pavement about the same.

Attachment 56978

This one is using the same 32 for each gear set.

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OK , enlighten me, interpret those numbers for me. I'm not a mechanic.

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Interesting points on the stick vs auto. Never thought about it on a sports car, stick just made sense. I was by default just going to get auto in my Jeep since I have been in a Montero Limited for so long. Any thoughts on resale of a manual? As everyone pointed out, there are a lot stick drivers these days.
Since an automatic transmission is a luxury item compared to a manual transmission and usually costs more, the automatic will probably command a higher resale as long as the general public still demands automatics more so than manuals. The big question is to ask yourself is "Whats it worth to you?" when deciding which one to buy. I prefer manual transmissions myself. Invest in yourself, not the vehicle.
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First, I have no Horse in this race. I'm getting a manual.

However, I don't think it's quite that simple. Either that or I'm just not reading this right.

Let's confuse everyone and add the Manual, which looks like this with 4.1:

R 16.65
1 18.29
2 10.7
3 7.05
4 5.13
5 4.10
6 3.44

By your argument then the 4.1 gears plus Manual should match the old Auto Tranny with 6.17, which they CLEARLY do not. It's more like between 4.88 and 5.13.

I could be completely off base here though. Just trying to learn and add value at the same time. is that possible?

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By your argument then the 4.1 gears plus Manual should match the old Auto Tranny with 6.17, which they CLEARLY do not. It's more like between 4.88 and 5.13.
Huh? I don't know how you got 6.17?

It's hard to compare a 6-speed manual with a 4-speed auto. That's why I compared auto to auto. But, you are right, the closest comparison is probably the 6-speed with 4.10's to the old auto with 5.13's.
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My Jeep is in D1 and I can't get my soft top changed to a hard top! They told me to order another one... this is inconvenient.
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I plan to run 37's when the time comes (after the stock tires are bald lol). My question is, how would the 3.73 and 4.10 fair with a 37" tire or would I have to upgrade anyway? I also ordered an auto Rubicon before the option issue was clarified.
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Huh? I don't know how you got 6.17?

It's hard to compare a 6-speed manual with a 4-speed auto. That's why I compared auto to auto. But, you are right, the closest comparison is probably the 6-speed with 4.10's to the old auto with 5.13's.
Still learning, but here are the numbers for

Old Auto with 6.17:
1 17.52
2 9.69
3 6.17
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Looks like manual with 4.1, no?
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OK , enlighten me, interpret those numbers for me. I'm not a mechanic.

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I am not a mech either. I just found this site that takes into consideration more factors in the calculation and also shows RPM versus speed, speed verses RPM, crawl speed in feet per minute, and of course final drive ratio. All you need are trans gear setup, axle gears, tire size, and transfer case. Simple to use and allows side by side comparison so you can see how various things like two tire sizes will compare or transmissions will.

Here is the link to GrimmJeeper's gear ratio page: Gear Ratio Calculator

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I am not a mech either. I just found this site that takes into consideration more factors in the calculation and also shows RPM versus speed, speed verses RPM, crawl speed in feet per minute, and of course final drive ratio. All you need are trans gear setup, axle gears, tire size, and transfer case. Simple to use and allows side by side comparison so you can see how various things like two tire sizes will compare or transmissions will.

Here is the link to GrimmJeeper's gear ratio page: Gear Ratio Calculator

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Thats what I used to get my numbers.
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I'm gonna get the auto I think but that's simply because I'm not sure if knees will take the shifting, especially in heavy traffic. To many jumps and humps with a heavy ruck! lol, it's a bitch getting old!
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I hope all those guys who have been ordering electric door locks and windows don't end up being very unhappy in a year or two. I know a lot of guys that had that stuff in their vehicles they went off-road with and it always seems to be the first thing to go belly-up after you've been in water/mud, etc, especially if you take your doors off a lot. I ordered mine with good old fashioned manual locks and a crank handle for the window, for that reason.
Same here. Don't need all that power stuff in my Wrangler. Again, to each their own.
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Not me! I want the 3.73 axles! I trust the Jeep engineers and my own calculations more than the old gearing rules of thumb born of the previous auto tranny and 3.8 engine! My rubi will see snow, sand, trails, but I go around rocks, and don't need a crawler with gears so low I have to get huge, tall tires to drive on the road. Careful what you wish for! Do your own calculations and research!
Same here Bill! 3.73s for me.
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