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Old 07-31-2011, 10:22 AM   #271
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A few years ago, the Jeep factory assembled all current allocation, 'sold' orders for a dealer, before any of that dealers current allocation, 'dealer stock' vehicles. But, one dealers 'stock' orders may have been built before another dealers' 'sold' orders. [If that makes sense]

Is that no longer true? Or, was it never the case?

And, as you have seen, Jeep has done a brilliant job of creating excitement [=demand!] for the 2012s!
There is a point when dealers are allowed to request (order) Jeeps from the factory that is before the general public can do so. This makes sense because the dealers need the extra time to display the vehicles on the showroom, etc. Having the first also generates a lot of foot traffic into the dealership once the word is out! Therefore there is a reason the dealership wants them.

The public offering/order process that started in July put each individual's "custom" orders in the factory queue. As I understand it, color drives the timeline -- separate runs of colors are done, the more unique the longer the wait. Then the issue is the 2DR vs. 4DR, then packages, then options. By the time it is all said and done it takes months, or just really good timing!

I think everyone would agree the new car business is just that a business. When you contract for a "special" order that becomes your vehicle, and when it comes into the dealership it is treated that way. You wouldn't want us to sell you ordered vehicle (I can't wait till that happens!).

So since the dealer gets a priority on the first orders it should also recieve the first units. Amongst the dealerships there might be some envy, but those of you who ordered will get your personalized car soon -- and this will be just another story for folks to talk about during a run!

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but those of you who ordered will get your personalized car soon

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There is a point when dealers are allowed to request (order) Jeeps from the factory that is before the general public can do so. This makes sense because the dealers need the extra time to display the vehicles on the showroom, etc. Having the first also generates a lot of foot traffic into the dealership once the word is out! Therefore there is a reason the dealership wants them.

The public offering/order process that started in July put each individual's "custom" orders in the factory queue. As I understand it, color drives the timeline -- separate runs of colors are done, the more unique the longer the wait. Then the issue is the 2DR vs. 4DR, then packages, then options. By the time it is all said and done it takes months, or just really good timing!

I think everyone would agree the new car business is just that a business. When you contract for a "special" order that becomes your vehicle, and when it comes into the dealership it is treated that way. You wouldn't want us to sell you ordered vehicle (I can't wait till that happens!).

So since the dealer gets a priority on the first orders it should also recieve the first units. Amongst the dealerships there might be some envy, but those of you who ordered will get your personalized car soon -- and this will be just another story for folks to talk about during a run!
July? I ordered 6/6. The day order banks opened. Are you saying as a dealer you ordered before 6/6? I doubt you ordered before then. I you did, please correct me. But that means there is no ordering priority except that which your own dealership imposes.

Also, while you may be using this for foot traffic, it's very clear that a lot of dealers are hiding the '12s because they have '11s to sell (smart move IMO) and there has been no announcements of '12s anyway.
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A bit long, but worth it....

Confessions of a Car Salesman - Edmunds.com

Written a while ago, but a recent interview with the author concludes that absolutely nothing has changed in most (not all, i.e. Pat) dealerships.

To all of you guys (or gals) out there reflecting on the "rat" of a salesperson you had please remember a few things: 1) these guys are people trying to make a living; 2) they don't make % money on the new cars they sell - used cars are a different story; 3) the guys in the "tower" have the power - not the salesperson, he/she really is "just the messenger"; 4) if the salesman did a good job in finding the specific car for you, that you really wanted, and can afford - then he did his job; 5) If the salesperson did not hook you up with all the incentives, rebates, and set any other expectations for you before you met the "tower" person (sales manager), then your salesman failed you and now you can bitch!
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To all of you guys (or gals) out there reflecting on the "rat" of a salesperson you had please remember a few things: 1) these guys are people trying to make a living; 2) they don't make % money on the new cars they sell - used cars are a different story; 3) the guys in the "tower" have the power - not the salesperson, he/she really is "just the messenger"; 4) if the salesman did a good job in finding the specific car for you, that you really wanted, and can afford - then he did his job; 5) If the salesperson did not hook you up with all the incentives, rebates, and set any other expectations for you before you met the "tower" person (sales manager), then your salesman failed you and now you can bitch!
I agree. And there are some really good salespeople out there. Some slime balls and slimy dealers. But the internet helps spread the word on all of this.

Problem is a lot of sales people are misinformed or under informed about the product they are selling an the process. That's a problem.
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To all of you guys (or gals) out there reflecting on the "rat" of a salesperson you had please remember a few things: 1) these guys are people trying to make a living; 2) they don't make % money on the new cars they sell - used cars are a different story; 3) the guys in the "tower" have the power - not the salesperson, he/she really is "just the messenger"; 4) if the salesman did a good job in finding the specific car for you, that you really wanted, and can afford - then he did his job; 5) If the salesperson did not hook you up with all the incentives, rebates, and set any other expectations for you before you met the "tower" person (sales manager), then your salesman failed you and now you can bitch!
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I agree. And there are some really good salespeople out there. Some slime balls and slimy dealers. But the internet helps spread the word on all of this.

Problem is a lot of sales people are misinformed or under informed about the product they are selling an the process. That's a problem.
That is very true.

I happen to have a Jeep dealership close to me where the S/M is a Jeep fan. He is trying to figure out a way for the dealership to build the JKU pickup conversion.
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To all of you guys (or gals) out there reflecting on the "rat" of a salesperson you had please remember a few things: 1) these guys are people trying to make a living; 2) they don't make % money on the new cars they sell - used cars are a different story; 3) the guys in the "tower" have the power - not the salesperson, he/she really is "just the messenger"; 4) if the salesman did a good job in finding the specific car for you, that you really wanted, and can afford - then he did his job; 5) If the salesperson did not hook you up with all the incentives, rebates, and set any other expectations for you before you met the "tower" person (sales manager), then your salesman failed you and now you can bitch!
I had a great salesman and hope he is still there the next time I buy. The article was a good read and was more positive for the salesmen then anything else. Being a salesman is a stressful job that I would never want. Knowledge is power and the more the consumer knows about their 2012 wrangler purchase and trade in value the higher chance the whole process will be positive. Lets get back on track and talk about the 2012 wrangler.
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Lets get back on track and talk about the 2012 wrangler.
Wish of the lucky members that have actually recieved their 2012 would take of that big engine shroud/cover thingy and shoot and post some photos.

Guess they are out having too much fun right now.
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Wish of the lucky members that have actually recieved their 2012 would take of that big engine shroud/cover thingy and shoot and post some photos.

Guess they are out having too much fun right now.
Maybe there guilt of getting theres first has kept them away. I'm not even getting a 2012 and I've been waiting for a decent hands on review. How about someone mount a camera and give us a ride in there new 2012? Is there anything on the outside that tells if it has the 3.6 or not?
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Wish of the lucky members that have actually recieved their 2012 would take of that big engine shroud/cover thingy and shoot and post some photos.

Guess they are out having too much fun right now.
milliken posted a few under-the-shroud engine picks here:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ml#post1418587
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milliken posted a few under-the-shroud engine picks here:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ml#post1418587
Thanks Bill.

That thread is so much about when my 2012 will arrive (as it started out and should be) I don't follow every post.

Looks to me (not a Jeep engineer) that it is not connected to or part of a necessary function. Maybe it is for keeping the suds off the engine while going through the car wash?
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Thanks Bill.

That thread is so much about when my 2012 will arrive (as it started out and should be) I don't follow every post.

Looks to me (not a Jeep engineer) that it is not connected to or part of a necessary function. Maybe it is for keeping the suds off the engine while going through the car wash?
Looks heavily insulated. No idea why they would want to do that. Sound deadening maybe?
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It looks insulated also. What's everyone thoughts on it's purpose? Some uneducated guesses of mine are. Purely cosmetic to give a simple clean look. Keep the intake hotter. Noise reduction. Protect something from the elements. Create a pleasant hot plastic smell. Probably just there because other motors have started the trend of hiding them selfs.
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As you might expect there was not a lot of give on the dealership side. So we did not get below invoice. Without giving any incentives, other than interest rate reducutions, the price ended up still being around $34K.
Do not buy till you sign up at treadlightly.org 3yr membership is only $60 and will save you a couple thousand dollars. That what everyone on this forum is doing.

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Do not buy till you sign up at treadlightly.org 3yr membership is only $60 and will save you a couple thousand dollars. That what everyone on this forum is doing.

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ric is the salesman in this case. His point was they had only a few '12s so they didn't have to sell it for below invoice. Demand was higher than supply. This is a case where having a '12 on the lot that is not sold can generate extra revenue I guess.
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Skid Plate Question

Sorry, posted this on the June2nd thread...might get more traffic here.

Skid Plate question ...
I don't remember what my window sticker showed on my '09 JKUR ... but I noticed that on my '12 it only shows (as well as my build sheet):

Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield

Did Chrysler/Fiat decide to cancel the transmission skid plate? If so ... I wonder how long until aftermarket companies have skidplates for the new tranny.

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Silly question but does the TL discount also apply to Canadian purchases? Just trying to get as much info as possible before I go to another dealer.
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Silly question but does the TL discount also apply to Canadian purchases? Just trying to get as much info as possible before I go to another dealer.
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I think I found my answer. According to their site they only mention using the Control Number at a US dealership
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It looks insulated also. What's everyone thoughts on it's purpose? Some uneducated guesses of mine are. Purely cosmetic to give a simple clean look. Keep the intake hotter. Noise reduction. Protect something from the elements. Create a pleasant hot plastic smell. Probably just there because other motors have started the trend of hiding them selfs.
The purpose of the cover is for noise reduction. Without the cover the valve train and intake radiate a lot of noise. Some of that noise is airborne and this cover is intended to dampen that. The other noise is structure borne and must be dealt with via engine mounts and other structural damping features.

Hey.... you guys asked. There's the answer.
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The purpose of the cover is for noise reduction. Without the cover the valve train and intake radiate a lot of noise. Some of that noise is airborne and this cover is intended to dampen that. The other noise is structure borne and must be dealt with via engine mounts and other structural damping features.

Hey.... you guys asked. There's the answer.
I had a felling you would have the answer. Awesome.
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The purpose of the cover is for noise reduction. Without the cover the valve train and intake radiate a lot of noise. Some of that noise is airborne and this cover is intended to dampen that. The other noise is structure borne and must be dealt with via engine mounts and other structural damping features.

Hey.... you guys asked. There's the answer.
The 2012 brochure that has been posted stated:

Instrument Cluster
— Speedometer, tachometer, odometer, trip odometer, temperature, fuel level, oil pressure, voltmeter

Does your 2012 have the oil pressure and voltmeter gauges?
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Thank You Milous for the info -- very helpful...helped me score a great deal (better than TL - which is a good deal). Now the wait begins
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Perhaps some of the wiser and more experienced guys and gals could answer my question...on the new jeeps, that come with open differentials, do they come with the brake limited slip that cut down on excessive wheel spinning? I believe ive seen this on the challengers, where one wheel starts to slip, the brake at that corner is applied, and the other wheel starts to spin. Not as good as a true limited slip, I believe, but better than a one tire fire. Any info would be appreciated
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Is there any way to tell a wrangler has a 3.6 from the outside? Is the tailpipe still the same?
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Perhaps some of the wiser and more experienced guys and gals could answer my question...on the new jeeps, that come with open differentials, do they come with the brake limited slip that cut down on excessive wheel spinning? I believe ive seen this on the challengers, where one wheel starts to slip, the brake at that corner is applied, and the other wheel starts to spin. Not as good as a true limited slip, I believe, but better than a one tire fire. Any info would be appreciated
All Wrangler Models have Brake Lock Differential. The Rubicon also has Tru-Lock while the other models have the option of Limited Slip Differential
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Sorry, posted this on the June2nd thread...might get more traffic here.

Skid Plate question ...
I don't remember what my window sticker showed on my '09 JKUR ... but I noticed that on my '12 it only shows (as well as my build sheet):

Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield

Did Chrysler/Fiat decide to cancel the transmission skid plate? If so ... I wonder how long until aftermarket companies have skidplates for the new tranny.

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Rockhard should have them next week. I have a 2012 Rubicon Unlimited on order (shipping August 9th) and am getting the RockHard bumpers and complete set of skid plates. From what Jim Barth (the owner of Rockhard) tells me there isn't that much difference but they will need to relocate some mounting holes.
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Rockhard should have them next week. I have a 2012 Rubicon Unlimited on order (shipping August 9th) and am getting the RockHard bumpers and complete set of skid plates. From what Jim Barth (the owner of Rockhard) tells me there isn't that much difference but they will need to relocate some mounting holes.
Just curious why your ordering Rockhard skid plates when a Rubicon comes with skid plates. Thanks!
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It doesn't come with enough. The fuel tank skid plate is more for brush. It won't survicve a drag across rocks. The rear muffler gets one that ties into the Rockhard bumper. The evap canister has nothing on it and is in a low position that's just asking for it. The engine oil pan/transmission plate and transfer case also need heavier plates. Besides I got a good deal on them.
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It doesn't come with enough. The fuel tank skid plate is more for brush. It won't survicve a drag across rocks. The rear muffler gets one that ties into the Rockhard bumper. The evap canister has nothing on it and is in a low position that's just asking for it. The engine oil pan/transmission plate and transfer case also need heavier plates. Besides I got a good deal on them.
I'm coming from my XJ where the factory gas tank skid is strong enough to lift the jeep, and if I hit the oil pan I've got bigger problems (4" lift and 31" tires and the pan is plenty far away).

Why skid the muffler? Who cares if it gets a dent?

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