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Old 06-10-2013, 09:53 AM   #14521
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OK, now I am even more confused on the spring issue... Just called Parts Department and this is what they told me when they did a VIN search for front and rear springs

Front P/N 68192336AA (I have 68196005AA)
Rear P/N 68024461AA (I have 68024461AA)

Gave them the suspected "correct" numbers and the parts guys said they did not show in the system?

Not sure this helps anyone, but information shared is information gained.

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Old 06-10-2013, 10:03 AM   #14522
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OK, now I am even more confused on the spring issue... Just called Parts Department and this is what they told me when they did a VIN search for front and rear springs

Front P/N 68192336AA (I have 68196005AA)
Rear P/N 68024461AA (I have 68024461AA)

Gave them the suspected "correct" numbers and the parts guys said they did not show in the system?

Not sure this helps anyone, but information shared is information gained.
I'm even afraid to go look at mine numbers.....guess ill check it later today.

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Old 06-10-2013, 10:07 AM   #14523
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From the front spring. I'm a May Build
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:47 AM   #14524
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OK, now I am even more confused on the spring issue... Just called Parts Department and this is what they told me when they did a VIN search for front and rear springs

Front P/N 68192336AA (I have 68196005AA)
Rear P/N 68024461AA (I have 68024461AA)

Gave them the suspected "correct" numbers and the parts guys said they did not show in the system?

Not sure this helps anyone, but information shared is information gained.
If you google P/N 68192336AA it shows a shock absorber kit from a 2013 wrangler.

just an fyi
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:53 AM   #14525
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More info to add.

I have one of the first 10a's delivered (3/28/13), Build date of 3/13/13.

JKUR, Auto trans, dual tops, max tow, 4.10 and more.

Front springs: 68196006AA
Rear springs: 68024461AA

Wonder what the official 10A spring is, if there is one.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:08 AM   #14526
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When you google search any of these numbers, they come up as coil springs for all the 2013 wranglers. It doesn't seem to matter if your vehicle is a standard or auto, tow package or dual top. I don't know what to make of this.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:35 AM   #14527
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More info to add.

I have one of the first 10a's delivered (3/28/13), Build date of 3/13/13.

JKUR, Auto trans, dual tops, max tow, 4.10 and more.

Front springs: 68196006AA
Rear springs: 68024461AA

Wonder what the official 10A spring is, if there is one.
Mid April build with same setup and springs. Kinda weird some have different ones with same setups. If there really are taller spring(s), then Jeep needs to fix it. Left a message at the parts desk.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:48 AM   #14528
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Mopar parts page 2013 JKUR 10A...19 part numbers for just rear springs!

http://www.mopar.com/jeep/wrangler-u...58007/47/3174/

68024461AA is the last one and $$ one, however I could not find 68196009AA listed...
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:57 AM   #14529
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From the front spring. I'm a May Build
My fronts are also both 17
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:09 PM   #14530
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Did you see my pics of the winch Xtreme Outfitters has come up with? It looks way better than the Advertised 10A Winch setup! Much cleaner and enclosed in the bumper..... With a remote!
Man now that's a nice set up
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:57 PM   #14531
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I think we are all overreacting and everything is fine.

First of all, there is nothing in any documentation that tells me or the dealership or JEEP that there is suppose to be a factory lift on the vehicle (if I am wrong please supply some documentation). The only mention of a "lift" is on the brochure and it states:

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Standard BFGoodrich® KM2 tires with improved sidewall protection offer a 1/2-inch lift and are widely recognized by enthusiasts for their tough durability, optimized footprint, and tread design.
So it is the tires that are providing a 1/2 inch lift, not the springs.

Next, just got off the phone with both JEEP (this dude was of limited help) and the dealership parts department. Once again no mention of a factory lift and he (uhhh.. he sounded like he had some intelligence) couldn't pull up the part number for my front. He could for the rear and it was exactly what I have (68024461AA). He also mentioned that these are VIN explicit parts that are only for 10A at this time and they do not offer them to other JEEP owners. He also said that the P/N is only for part location and does not have anything to do about the size, stiffness, or any other characteristic about the spring.

In short, I think we are all good on the springs. If you have any other verified information, please supply.

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Old 06-10-2013, 02:00 PM   #14532
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How are you supposed to get to the clutch lever to engage free spool etc. with that cover over the winch? It looks kind of hard to get to.
I knew someone would ask! (Smile)
Xtreme Outfitters has it covered! Of course? Ha ha ha

Very small access point right in front of the grill!
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:49 PM   #14533
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Km2 tire is actually smaller than the Km

Km: 32.1"
Km2: 31.7"

100% the 10A is taller than standard Rubicons. I came into the 10A directly from a 2012 Rubicon, where I would flat footed hop into it and with this I got to stand on my toes to hop in.

More interesting to me is the weight difference, been searching for some spec because to me there is a significant weight difference, other than the 10lbs / tire of the Km2's. found it:



2 Door Rubicon 2012(stick): 4,132 lbs

2 Door Rubicon 2013 10A (stick): 4,450 lbs

for auto add 14-25lbs more




Totally feel the difference between the two.
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edit rough math: 50 lbs total tire increase + 60 lbs rock rails leaves 208 or 108 per steel bumper? Anyone remove the front bumper does it feel like 100 lbs? Maybe the rear is heavier than the front. Somewhere there's some weight that wasn't there before.


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Km2 tire is actually smaller than the Km

Km: 32.1"
Km2: 31.7"

100% the 10A is taller than standard Rubicons. I came into the 10A directly from a 2012 Rubicon, where I would flat footed hop into it and with this I got to stand on my toes to hop in.

More interesting to me is the weight difference, been searching for some spec because to me there is a significant weight difference, other than the 10lbs / tire of the Km2's. found it:



2 Door Rubicon 2012(stick): 4,132 lbs

2 Door Rubicon 2013 10A (stick): 4,450 lbs

for auto add 14-25lbs more




Totally feel the difference between the two.
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Old 06-10-2013, 03:39 PM   #14535
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I have had mine for about 5 weeks now, and it has rained quite heavily a few times since. Other than a couple water drops coming in through the hand screws in the sound bar (and I mean like 2 or 3 drops, total) I had not seen any water leaks ... until Andrea rolled through.

After our 3.5 inches of rain on Friday, I did the usual spot checks to check for water and everything seemed to be okay. Then, I noticed that the carpet under the driver side slush mat was damp. It was not soaking wet, and there was no slushing or sloshing sound when I pressed on it (nor did any water come bubbling up when I pushed on the carpet), but it was definitely damp.

I checked the door seals, around the windshield, and all the usual obvious suspects and found no indication of a place where water had been running down or trickling down to the floor.

My best guess is that water is leaking in behind the cowl on the driver side and somehow running down from there to the floorboard.

Not sure if I should take it to the dealer or not.
I think I'm going to wait for the next heavy rain and inspect myself before taking it to the dealership or maybe grab a water hose and start hosing certain areas to see if I can figure out where it's coming from. I'll run water behind the cowl as well to see.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:08 PM   #14536
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First time poster so Hi to all. Looking at an Anvil with red leather 4 door. Only one available is 400+ miles away and also roughly $7k more than we were looking at. But we both love the truck. So, do we jump thru hoops and pay out the wazoo (which fits in the budget but the vacation fund doesn't grow as fast) to get the 10A? Or do we just get a black Sport S and enjoy the summer and maybe take an extra 2 days on our next vaca? This is way more than either one of us has ever spent on transportation so the $45k sticker has us in sticker shock.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:20 PM   #14537
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New 10A Unlimited sitting in the rail yard waiting to be put on delivery truck.... The wait is getting harder and harder!!!
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:30 PM   #14538
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First time poster so Hi to all. Looking at an Anvil with red leather 4 door. Only one available is 400+ miles away and also roughly $7k more than we were looking at. But we both love the truck. So, do we jump thru hoops and pay out the wazoo (which fits in the budget but the vacation fund doesn't grow as fast) to get the 10A? Or do we just get a black Sport S and enjoy the summer and maybe take an extra 2 days on our next vaca? This is way more than either one of us has ever spent on transportation so the $45k sticker has us in sticker shock.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:38 PM   #14539
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I think I'm going to wait for the next heavy rain and inspect myself before taking it to the dealership or maybe grab a water hose and start hosing certain areas to see if I can figure out where it's coming from. I'll run water behind the cowl as well to see.
We are getting torrential rain again today (another 2 inches so far this afternoon), so it looks like I will get another chance to try and find out where the water is trickling in. I want to wait for the rain to stop so I can wipe down the roof and lip over the door before I open it; want to make sure nothing else drips in when I open the door.

Or maybe, if I am lucky, the carpet will be dry.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:41 PM   #14540
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Don't pay sticker! And don't miss out! This beast is just awesome right out of the box. JKUR anvil red owner and sooooo glad I did it. I feel like I'm vacation every time I take the tops off seriously.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:47 PM   #14541
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My 10A JKUR is somewhere between Ohio and NM. It supposedly left on the train on 6 June headed through Kansas City. I tried to call and locate today, but couldn't get any info from IAMJEEP, except the Jeep now shows my name on it, as of today. I haven't been able to use VOTS because it wasn't originally my order.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:53 PM   #14542
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On the spring issue, has anyone measured there suspect springs length? And a correct spring owner?

On my 09 JKUR, I am at 13" on the MOPAR 2" performance lift. I measured a stock 13 JKUR and newer model('11-'13) Sahara and they were both 11". I missed out on checking the 10A at the local dealer, so I can't check until mine shows up unless I want to take a longer drive.
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:45 PM   #14543
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We are getting torrential rain again today (another 2 inches so far this afternoon), so it looks like I will get another chance to try and find out where the water is trickling in. I want to wait for the rain to stop so I can wipe down the roof and lip over the door before I open it; want to make sure nothing else drips in when I open the door.

Or maybe, if I am lucky, the carpet will be dry.
I am bringing mine into the dealer. This morning I realized both driver and passenger sides are wet. I don't want my new car smell to get washed away!
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Yep KM2'a are shorter the the KMs on the standard rubicon and its been advertised with more clearance so what would it be besides springs? Re the spring seats constructed differently to provide some lift? Has anyone investigated the rest of the suspension related parts to know they are or are not the same as a rubicon?
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Km2 tire is actually smaller than the Km

Km: 32.1"
Km2: 31.7"

100% the 10A is taller than standard Rubicons. I came into the 10A directly from a 2012 Rubicon, where I would flat footed hop into it and with this I got to stand on my toes to hop in.

More interesting to me is the weight difference, been searching for some spec because to me there is a significant weight difference, other than the 10lbs / tire of the Km2's. found it:



2 Door Rubicon 2012(stick): 4,132 lbs

2 Door Rubicon 2013 10A (stick): 4,450 lbs

for auto add 14-25lbs more




Totally feel the difference between the two.
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First time poster so Hi to all. Looking at an Anvil with red leather 4 door. Only one available is 400+ miles away and also roughly $7k more than we were looking at. But we both love the truck. So, do we jump thru hoops and pay out the wazoo (which fits in the budget but the vacation fund doesn't grow as fast) to get the 10A? Or do we just get a black Sport S and enjoy the summer and maybe take an extra 2 days on our next vaca? This is way more than either one of us has ever spent on transportation so the $45k sticker has us in sticker shock.
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The 10A Rubi is my fourth Jeep and I have an Anvil 4 door with Red Leather. I will say that she is, out of the box, awesome as is with no mods needed. That is what fueled my decision. Aside from a pesky leaking top, I am over the moon with this ride.

On the other hand, the new JK's are all great rides. So if this is your first entry into owning a Wrangler, I think you would also be happy to join the club and chose a version that is a little easier on the monthly payment.

Good luck!
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Got to be the springs considering the fairly significant weight difference.

edit: make a note there is even a weight difference between stick and auto (auto 14-25 lbs heavier) between the 10A's maybe those with stick are seeing the difference in springs between the two?

Meanwhile, there I had an hour or so to kill to take the long route to the store. Thought it be a good time to take the end-caps off. Phew! 1 hour later non-stop, sweating like a race horse. Was not expecting that. Long stinking bolts each and every one of them. Set a side some time if you're going to do it, and be prepared for the two nuisance ones under the bumper. Actually those end caps are quite hefty, so the bumper itself should be quiet weighty as well.
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I think we are all overreacting and everything is fine.

First of all, there is nothing in any documentation that tells me or the dealership or JEEP that there is suppose to be a factory lift on the vehicle (if I am wrong please supply some documentation). The only mention of a "lift" is on the brochure and it states:

So it is the tires that are providing a 1/2 inch lift, not the springs.

Next, just got off the phone with both JEEP (this dude was of limited help) and the dealership parts department. Once again no mention of a factory lift and he (uhhh.. he sounded like he had some intelligence) couldn't pull up the part number for my front. He could for the rear and it was exactly what I have (68024461AA). He also mentioned that these are VIN explicit parts that are only for 10A at this time and they do not offer them to other JEEP owners. He also said that the P/N is only for part location and does not have anything to do about the size, stiffness, or any other characteristic about the spring.

In short, I think we are all good on the springs. If you have any other verified information, please supply.

I really appreciate all the people on this forum for helping each other out.
Actually the tires on the 10A are almost 1/2" smaller than on the stock Rubicon, so the lift was in the springs not the tires. The difference in tires is 31.61" for the 10A and 32.06" for the rubicon. To get the extra .3" on ground clearance it had to come from the suspension if the tires are almost 1/2" smaller. The difference is 3/4", and I am assuming this was the difference in the spring height.

If anyone has different information please enlighten me.
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Sorry I was just giving this a second thought, and I am wrong. The springs will not increase the ground clearance, only the wheels and tires will do this. So something here doesn't add up. Anyone have any thoughts? I think maybe the website is incorrect with the running ground clearance posted.
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That's assuming they running ground clearance is measuring from the ground to the lowest point of the vehicle which should be a differential. If they measure to the frame, then my first post is correct.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:24 PM   #14550
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Just got my Anvil Sunday. Ordered May 5th. If your still looking the dealer I bought from managed to have a few on their lot. 1 White and 2 or 3 Anvil. Koons Jeep in Tyson's Corner Virginia.

Time to start ordering stuff for the Anvil.

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