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Old 09-29-2012, 06:54 PM   #31
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So if I am on a trail, dealing with rocks or mud and shift the auto into 1st to go over some obsticals, the trans should auto jump to 2nd gear when it wants? Sounds neat for my wifes car in the school parking lot, but not for a 4x4 crossing an obstical...

Could it be Jeep was smart about what it did and makes you have control like a manual?

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So if I am on a trail, dealing with rocks or mud and shift the auto into 1st to go over some obsticals, the trans should auto jump to 2nd gear when it wants? Sounds neat for my wifes car in the school parking lot, but not for a 4x4 crossing an obstical...

Could it be Jeep was smart about what it did and makes you have control like a manual?
Maybe I am wrong, but the way how I understand it is, that if you manually set it to 1st it will remain in 1st. Because all you do is setting the highest possible gear it uses. In your case it would be 1st. If you would set it to 3rd, it would shift automatically between 1st, 2nd and 3rd only. It would look like you have a 3 speed automatic. At least that's the way my 2013 JKU behaves. But as I said, I am a newbie and could be wrong.

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Old 09-29-2012, 08:13 PM   #33
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X2. I think that's what's supposed to happen, right? Mine does the same.
That's how Chrysler's autostick has worked historically. It also prevents down shifting if doing so would damage the trans.
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So if I am on a trail, dealing with rocks or mud and shift the auto into 1st to go over some obsticals, the trans should auto jump to 2nd gear when it wants? Sounds neat for my wifes car in the school parking lot, but not for a 4x4 crossing an obstical...

Could it be Jeep was smart about what it did and makes you have control like a manual?
If you shift into 1st it will lock into 1st. The computer will not let you over rev & damage the trans, not sure what the current protection override protocol is though.
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Hmmm...either the OP has a glitch in his, or the mapping of the 2013's is different....and worse than the 2012's.

If you are towing something heavy around town and want to lock our 4th and 5th gear by placing it in 3rd....it would suck if every time you came to a stop, the Jeep would stay in 1st. What is point of locking out 4th and 5th if you have to manual shift it anyway? If you wanted first gear, you could have selected that on your own.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:17 PM   #36
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Here's how it works.

No change from year to year... straight from the owner's manuals.

2012 (pg. 391)
2013 (pgs. 426-427)

This works different than the SRT8's...

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We will just have to wait and see if Jeep amends the owners manual or changes the trans programming back to what the '12 models were. The '13 programming is really taking some getting used to after driving a '12 for the past year. I'm really surprised they didn't simply make a couple small changes to the programming instead of a complete revamp of everything to do with manual shifting of the auto trans.
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We will just have to wait and see if Jeep amends the owners manual or changes the trans programming back to what the '12 models were. The '13 programming is really taking some getting used to after driving a '12 for the past year. I'm really surprised they didn't simply make a couple small changes to the programming instead of a complete revamp of everything to do with manual shifting of the auto trans.
Not sure what you're saying.... I thought others here with 13's said its working like indicated in the manuals.



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I understand your post. But the way I interpret the owner manual is the manual gear selection, say 3, limits that selected gear to be the top gear allowed, but allows the transmission to up shift normally or downshift normally within the range of 1st to the gear selected. In 4th the range is 1 to 4. In 3rd, 1 to 3, etc. There is even a chart in the manual that SEEMS to support this interpretation. I'm not arguing cause I've been wrong plenty, just wanting clarification.

I also understand what you're saying, and interpreted it correctly at least IMO. I would want the transmission to return to first after a stop and then shift only up to the gear selected. So if you're driving in the mountains and want to lock the tranny out of 5th gear and use 1-4 without having do to anything after stopping just select 4 and be done with it. Like I mentioned above they messed with the programming, and once you tap the shifter it goes into a manual mode of sorts, then locks itself into first when you stop. Stupid if you ask me. I would hope all it requires to operate properly is a simple re-flash.

I drove a 2011 Dodge Caliber rental with an auto tranny and a shifter with a -/+. I was fooling with the shifter and hated the thing. If for the sake of argument I selected 6th gear it would stay in that gear until the car stopped, start in first, and shift properly to 6th. Which is what I expected. The only problem was it would stay in 6th gear all the way down to 2 miles an hour and lug the hell out of itself if I stepped on the gas. The only way to avoid this way to shift to D, or manually shift it if I couldn't maintain the proper speed for the gear. I think there was something wrong with it, or it was programmed to self destruct.
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These Chrysler engineers should take a drive in a GM pickup with the six speed auto trans. The manual shift program works perfectly, simply and logically. It's just goofy that when I select fourth in the Jeep then stop at a stop sign I find the trans locked in first, what the heck!
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So if you lock-out 5th gear (those with the 2013's), and you are driving around town....what happens when you slow down and the tranny downshifts to 3rd or 2nd (but not first)? When you speed up again, will it go back up to 4th, or will it only go as high as the lowest gear it was just at? I'm curious to know if this issue only pops up when you come to a stop?
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Hmmm...either the OP has a glitch in his, or the mapping of the 2013's is different....and worse than the 2012's.

If you are towing something heavy around town and want to lock our 4th and 5th gear by placing it in 3rd....it would suck if every time you came to a stop, the Jeep would stay in 1st. What is point of locking out 4th and 5th if you have to manual shift it anyway? If you wanted first gear, you could have selected that on your own.
Bingo! You have distilled my issue perfectly. My transmission works exactly as you describe. With my software Jeep has added an unnecessary layer of manual shifts. My previous vehicles I have auto, but use the manual shift feature alot, especially in down shift to a stop, and on hilly terrain/towing. I don't use manual shift for power acceleration much, although I could easily shift through the gears holding in in high revs as long as I wanted.

My take away is that my set-up makes no sense, I will explore a fix with dealer, I will live with it if necessary.

I'd again like to thank all for valuable information and other perspectives that's helped me with my issue.
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So if you lock-out 5th gear (those with the 2013's), and you are driving around town....what happens when you slow down and the tranny downshifts to 3rd or 2nd (but not first)? When you speed up again, will it go back up to 4th, or will it only go as high as the lowest gear it was just at? I'm curious to know if this issue only pops up when you come to a stop?
In my case from 5 slowing I can follow the gear number in the dash change to lower gears as the trans down shifts. If I accelerate, say from 3, it says in 3 until I manually up shift or cancel manual mode by going to D
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In my case from 5 slowing I can follow the gear number in the dash change to lower gears as the trans down shifts. If I accelerate, say from 3, it says in 3 until I manually up shift or cancel manual mode by going to D
Ugg...that is awful.

Take it in and let us know what the dealer says. Hopefully it is a quick flash and they don't say "this is how it is supposed to operate"....especially since the owners manual reads differently.
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ugg...that is awful.

Take it in and let us know what the dealer says. Hopefully it is a quick flash and they don't say "this is how it is supposed to operate"....especially since the owners manual reads differently.
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It appears some engineer slipped in a SRT8 program. That's how the Jeep SRT8 behaves from standing start in auto-stick mode.

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So if you lock-out 5th gear (those with the 2013's), and you are driving around town....what happens when you slow down and the tranny downshifts to 3rd or 2nd (but not first)? When you speed up again, will it go back up to 4th, or will it only go as high as the lowest gear it was just at? I'm curious to know if this issue only pops up when you come to a stop?
No it will only go up to the lowest gear you were in say the speed was low enough that it went to 2nd it will only go to 2nd.
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I so miss the days of the Over Drive button and shifting into the gear needed on autos...
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Good News

My service manager just called to give feedback I requested this morning. I basically got 95% confirmation that my shift operation is not correct. As you know, in manual mode my transmission would down shift automatically from the selected gear, but not up shift automatically back up to the selected gear.

The only last bit of research he has to do is determine whether the 2012 v 2013 Rubicon software was changed. Basically no one thinks this is the case.
When I go back for my 1000 mile oil and filter change, he is going to reflash the software and if that fails he says a replacement component is out for the 2013 Rubicons, and they'll replace mine.

Love my dealer.
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My service manager just called to give feedback I requested this morning. I basically got 95% confirmation that my shift operation is not correct. As you know, in manual mode my transmission would down shift automatically from the selected gear, but not up shift automatically back up to the selected gear.

The only last bit of research he has to do is determine whether the 2012 v 2013 Rubicon software was changed. Basically no one thinks this is the case.
When I go back for my 1000 mile oil and filter change, he is going to reflash the software and if that fails he says a replacement component is out for the 2013 Rubicons, and they'll replace mine.

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That is excellent news (so far).....well not that you tranny is working incorrectly...but that the tranny should work the way most of us think it should. Now, we can only hope that the software did not change for 2013.
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My MX_5 Miata operated the same way. I didn't have the second gear start option to my knowledge. Everything else was the same as described in this thread.
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That is excellent news (so far).....well not that you tranny is working incorrectly...but that the tranny should work the way most of us think it should. Now, we can only hope that the software did not change for 2013.
Reading between the lines, have a hunch the issue is with 2013 Rubicons only.
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Mine behaves the same as the OP. 2013 Rubicon.
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I have 2013 sport, if u go manual to let's say 3, when u come to a stop and take off , it will stay in 1st till u manual shift it back to 3rd, sucks
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A few of you JK guys are funny. Many say they will only buy a "man trans"... then Jeep installs an auto trans from the SRT line with full manual shifter and you can't figure out how to shift.

The irony is killing me....


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That is so funny, I never thought about it... LMAO.
Im going manual and be done with it.
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I have 2013 sport, if u go manual to let's say 3, when u come to a stop and take off , it will stay in 1st till u manual shift it back to 3rd, sucks
If my Wrangler is in "3" it will upshift & downshift between 1 & 3.
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I have 2013 sport, if u go manual to let's say 3, when u come to a stop and take off , it will stay in 1st till u manual shift it back to 3rd, sucks
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If my Wrangler is in "3" it will upshift & downshift between 1 & 3.
I'm assuming you have a 2012 based on the wheels in your pic. The issue seems to be with 2013's.
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That is so funny, I never thought about it... LMAO.
Im going manual and be done with it.
Yeah, I think it's funny too... but obviously a glitch.

Maybe an engineer slipped-in a SRT8 tune and forgot to forward the drawings to the assembly line to install the 392ci HEMI. I can still see Chrysler having a few old school engineers roaming the halls trying to make the JKU run 0-60 in 4 sec.

They just forgot to forward those drawings...

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Damn...not good....

I'm assuming you have a 2012 based on the wheels in your pic. The issue seems to be with 2013's.
True, I have a 2012. Can't imagine they would change the software, testing is very time consuming.
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True, I have a 2012. Can't imagine they would change the software, testing is very time consuming.
It appears that they skipped that time consuming testing phase. My 2013 stays in the lowest gear that it decelerates to until you manually shift up, or out of manual.

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