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Old 10-29-2012, 12:38 PM   #91
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You are talking two different issues.

Not having a "lock-out" is a different issue than how the software works.

Not having a lock-out button or gate to prevent the passanger's knee from downshifting you is indeed an issue.

How the software works (2012 vs 2013) seems to be up how the driver feels about it.

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I just picked up our new '13 Rubicon this morning and read what Silverton34 wrote about the transmission programming. I had already noticed that in 2Hi the trans. operated in autostick type shifting if using it manually and just figured that was the same for Lo range also. Not so, as Silverton34 says, it operates in ERS mode, forgot to try 4Hi. Wow!

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The 2012 models were supposed to switch to the non-Germany sourced models but quality control issues forced Jeep to delay the switch to the 2013 - as an owner of a 2013, that doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling!

Although the design is almost identical between the two (Germany/North America)the software must have been substantially changed. As I mentioned earlier, I like the new manual function but I can understand others frustration with the documentation mistake. Jeep certainly needs to fix that.

If the two transmissions are virtually identical, it might be possible to re-flash the transmission part of the software back to the 2012 version. Jeep may not do this however, especially if Daimler has copyrighted that part of the code which is very likely. It would mean that Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat would have to re-license the code which could be pretty expensive.
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It's Like people don't know what the difference between a Manual and a Auto is ... I have never know any Manual Transmission in this World to shift back up to a selected gear......LOL , It will however down shift when in Manual mode so if you forget to do it , so you won't lug down the engine when you go to take off....... That is like that for the people out there that don't know how to drive a manual.....LOL again...
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It's Like people don't know what the difference between a Manual and a Auto is ... I have never know any Manual Transmission in this World to shift back up to a selected gear......LOL , It will however down shift when in Manual mode so if you forget to do it , so you won't lug down the engine when you go to take off....... That is like that for the people out there that don't know how to drive a manual.....LOL again...
Not sure how long you have been driving but I drove my first manual some time around 1971 and I believe the first automatic I owned was some time around 2000 and have owned several of both since that time until know. I am guessing. none of the 3,4 or 5speed manuals ones I ever drove or owned shifted down or up on their own and none of them ever would easily slip into 1st from top gear without some major effort.
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:41 AM   #96
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The window stickers that I have seen may have a clue. The parts content section towards the bottom of the sticker has a line for the transmission. On the 2012's that I have seen, the source is DE (Germany?), the 2013's has US as the source. Anyone else noticed this?
My 2013 says DE.And it shifts the same as other posters 2013.

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Old 10-31-2012, 02:32 PM   #97
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Caveat emptor

My dealer called today with Chrysler's final word, which is a change was made to the ERS shift pattern between 2012 and 2013. This was not news to me. There is no plan to furnish a fix.

So I'm dropping the issue. Nothing more will happen unless Chrysler receives enough complaints, at which point I guess the squeaking wheel will get greased. They'll come around in time to tidying up dealer knowledge and correcting the Owner Manuals to agree with fact, I suppose.

I could write paragraphs about this walkaway, but I'm through.
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My dealer called today with Chrysler's final word, which is a change was made to the ERS shift pattern between 2012 and 2013. This was not news to me. There is no plan to furnish a fix.

So I'm dropping the issue. Nothing more will happen unless Chrysler receives enough complaints, at which point I guess the squeaking wheel will get greased. They'll come around in time to tidying up dealer knowledge and correcting the Owner Manuals to agree with fact, I suppose.

I could write paragraphs about this walkaway, but I'm through.
That really sucks....
But what can you do.

I'm still waiting on Chrysler to update the Owners Manual on the tow ratings for the 2012's with autos....but I guess they have other things to do.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #99
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Took my transmission off road- Cullman Alabama Jeep Jamboree

I had a rare opportunity, for a rookie, to put my Jeep to the test, while being watched over by expert Trail Guides during the two days of the Cullman Jamboree, Nov 1 & 2. So I want to end my comments with my experience and overall feelings.

First, I'm pulling no punches. After traversing a ridge in 4L in 4 manual gear(I have the auto trans) we were advised via CB radio to expect a right turn for a steep descent. I tapped the paddle left to downshift to 1 (where I learned to start a descent with Hill Descent Control engaged, and then upshift as the hill allowed). Nothing happened. All had been well all day. I was locked in 4. After attempts to shift to N, R, and P did not help, several times I engaged D and found I was in NEURAL! I was always finally able to get 4 low engaged, but sweated it. Checked 4WD shift lever to see if it had popped out, but it was perfect. Made it down. Shutdown the engine. Turned ignition on and off three times without starting. Stared engine and all was normal again all day.

Heading off the trail, someone asked on the frequency what outside temp the JK's indicated. Well, everyone who responded had low, morning temps. The original guy then said that for some reason, when 4L is selected the monitor freezes the then outside temp until disengaged. I verified this twice. Of course this is no serious thing, just nuts.

On the highway headed home my ESC malfunction warning light came on four times. It stayed illuminated and the cruise control did not work. After stopping 4 times, cutting engine and short wait, the light would relight after engine start and then extinguish a short time later. The last stop and restart cured the problem for the last 100 miles to base.

So now. As a previous poster to this thread said, the auto trans of the 2013's in 4L shifts as did the 2012's. In the end this was paramount to me. He was right. For hill climes I used 3 manual, did the driving, and let my auto shift UP and DOWN as needed without my input. I'm willing to put up with anything for this. The vehicle, despite ALL the "it's a Jeep thing" quirks is totally awesome. I bonded with my vehicle and forgive all its quirks for the unreal performance. Attention to detail. Attention to detail is needed, but you couldn't tear my Jeep out of my hands right now.

So I think I have been converted, won over, baptized into the faith.
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Any updates on this situation, I hate this transmission.
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Any updates on this situation, I hate this transmission.
Thanks for the PM. I hadn't checked back to the thread. Wanted to answer within the thread. Chrysler sent word via my dealer that the transmission is operating as it is supposed to. I say according to whom or what? Not the Owners' Manual. Nothing more the dealer says he can do.

Anyway, that's the last and final word. My only recourse is to litigate or try to live with the transmission. So far I don't need a law suit to deal with. Almost consulted with our town's most aggressive law firm about a class action. Realistically, I figure there is language somewhere about specifications subject to change without notice, and again I have enough business issues in this economy to not add to the pile.

AND please please advise if the rumored aftermarket fix becomes available. May I ask where you got this info?

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AND please please advise if the rumored aftermarket fix becomes available. May I ask where you got this info?

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I was surfing Jeep sites while traveling and lost connection during flt. I haven't been able to find article again. Will post here if I hear anything.
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Thanks for the PM. I hadn't checked back to the thread. Wanted to answer within the thread. Chrysler sent word via my dealer that the transmission is operating as it is supposed to. I say according to whom or what? Not the Owners' Manual. Nothing more the dealer says he can do.

Anyway, that's the last and final word. My only recourse is to litigate or try to live with the transmission. So far I don't need a law suit to deal with. Almost consulted with our town's most aggressive law firm about a class action. Realistically, I figure there is language somewhere about specifications subject to change without notice, and again I have enough business issues in this economy to not add to the pile.

AND please please advise if the rumored aftermarket fix becomes available. May I ask where you got this info?

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Yeah, it is one of those things that I'm "mad" about...but not "hurt" enough to want to go to court over it.

Of course I feel the same way about our 368 watt sound systems that are really not 368 watts....or my heated seats that don't won't turn on until the vehicle is warmed up when it is below 20 degrees..... Maybe Chrylser is banking on my apathy.
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I was one that did not like how the auto worked on my 2013 at first and thought it was messed up but now I think it is perfect and I personally think it does work how it is supposed to ie how is is designed to work.
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Yeah, it is one of those things that I'm "mad" about...but not "hurt" enough to want to go to court over it.

Of course I feel the same way about our 368 watt sound systems that are really not 368 watts....or my heated seats that don't won't turn on until the vehicle is warmed up when it is below 20 degrees..... Maybe Chrylser is banking on my apathy.
Hummm. Was unaware of sound system power discrepancy. FYI, my seats fire right up when cold. Guessing, your seats must have a problem?
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...Heading off the trail, someone asked on the frequency what outside temp the JK's indicated. Well, everyone who responded had low, morning temps. The original guy then said that for some reason, when 4L is selected the monitor freezes the then outside temp until disengaged. I verified this twice. Of course this is no serious thing, just nuts...
That's another Jeep engineering thing. If you aren't going fast for a certain distance then the engineers decided that the temperature sensor can't possibly be right so they don't update the display. When you're wheeling you don't hit the speed/distance thing...
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That's another Jeep engineering thing. If you aren't going fast for a certain distance then the engineers decided that the temperature sensor can't possibly be right so they don't update the display. When you're wheeling you don't hit the speed/distance thing...
Well I tried to make sense of your post, or rather the logic of the Jeep engineers purposely assuming temperature is related to speed/distance, but I failed miserably. Einstein might understand, or then again your tongue might have been deeply in your cheek.
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Well I tried to make sense of your post, or rather the logic of the Jeep engineers purposely assuming temperature is related to speed/distance, but I failed miserably. Einstein might understand, or then again your tongue might have been deeply in your cheek.
OK, I left out this part... The sensor is up by the front of the grill. The Jeep engineers are assuming that if you aren't driving fast enough, long enough, then the sensor is just picking up the heat from the engine so the temperature will be off, so they didn't want complaints that the temperature reading was too high and decided to not display the temperature reading.

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