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Old 09-12-2012, 10:44 AM   #211
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1.You mean the "Jeep" in the center cap?

2.You can find a dealership that will work with you, probably. In reality, though, most dealerships know they aren't going to have to work too hard to sell Jeeps. Some just have that attitude, too, so you have to just keep looking until you find someone who will play ball.
1. No the Jeep on the lower left actually pic of a jeep.

2. That is the problem though, the attitude of knowing they dont have to work hard. It's not working hard if your being approached with a reasonable offer that the dealer makes money and customer is happy. Do you think the CEO would like a customer turned away for a $36k purchase? I believe not. I have worked in retail for many years and companies bend over backwards for customers with issues and problems. My problem is I cannot find a Jeep dealership that would like to make "some" money on my purchase. Its just odd that I must either "accept the jeep attitudes" or just pay what they ask. Why is there no compromise in the "Jeep" dealership world? or should i say in "my neck of the woods" because there are some people who have stated what they paid and how nice it was to work with their dealer.

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1. No the Jeep on the lower left actually pic of a jeep.
No, I didn't see that. It's cool. I wonder if it's just on Sahara wheels or on the new Rubi wheels...or all of them for this year?

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1. No the Jeep on the lower left actually pic of a jeep.

2. That is the problem though, the attitude of knowing they dont have to work hard. It's not working hard if your being approached with a reasonable offer that the dealer makes money and customer is happy. Do you think the CEO would like a customer turned away for a $36k purchase? I believe not. I have worked in retail for many years and companies bend over backwards for customers with issues and problems. My problem is I cannot find a Jeep dealership that would like to make "some" money on my purchase. Its just odd that I must either "accept the jeep attitudes" or just pay what they ask. Why is there no compromise in the "Jeep" dealership world? or should i say in "my neck of the woods" because there are some people who have stated what they paid and how nice it was to work with their dealer.
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I saw that on the rubi rims too...
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For what it's worth, I contacted Jeep today concerning my ship date that's only 8 days away and I'm still in D1. She assured me it would be ready in time. She stated they produce the entire vehicle in 1 day. Never worked in manufacturing but that's incredible if true.
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For what it's worth, I contacted Jeep today concerning my ship date that's only 8 days away and I'm still in D1. She assured me it would be ready in time. She stated they produce the entire vehicle in 1 day. Never worked in manufacturing but that's incredible if true.
If you think about it, it really isn't that outlandish.

I don't know what the progression is, in reality, but in theory, it is on a giant conveyor belt that starts with the frame (maybe?) and as it rolls through the factory, it gets all the parts and pieces required, which are all delivered by machines directly to the worker who is bolting/wiring it up. I would assume that all the major components (engines, axles, transmissions, etc.) are all delivered to the factory ready to go on. So, if you have a non-stop assembly line with all of the pieces required, it shouldn't really that *that* long to build a vehicle.

I am curious, though, how they keep track of the special orders...for instance, how do they know they are putting that remote start system in the Rubicon with the leather seats (mine!)? That, I think, would be the more difficult part. Maybe the are preloaded on the machines to ensure they show up at the assembly worker when the right jeep rolls through their section. Perhaps it's kind of like sorting mail, as the jeep rolls through the factory, machines read the VIN, check the required build items, and route to the proper sections in the right build order...so the workers who are installing remote start are ALWAYS installing remote start.

I need to visit the plant...who can get me in?

EDIT: After writing this post, I googled "Toledo Jeep Tour" and this is the first thing that came up - Jeep Tour
EDIT2: And...looks like you no get tour...or very much information from that link. :-/
EDIT3: This link gives a better idea of what goes on in the factor: Toledo Assembly Plants and Supplier Park
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For what it's worth, I contacted Jeep today concerning my ship date that's only 8 days away and I'm still in D1. She assured me it would be ready in time. She stated they produce the entire vehicle in 1 day. Never worked in manufacturing but that's incredible if true.
Yup my dad has been in the car bussiness for 30+ years. Hes has been to factories and they build vechicals in one day.
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No, I didn't see that. It's cool. I wonder if it's just on Sahara wheels or on the new Rubi wheels...or all of them for this year?
Also on the Rubi wheels...not on the sport wheels or "upgraded" polished Sahara wheels, I believe.
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Found this article on 4 Wheel Offroad about the assembly line.

It also has this video in the article, but it's just high level views of stuff going on Jeeps, not really a step-by-step process.

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If you think about it, it really isn't that outlandish.

I don't know what the progression is, in reality, but in theory, it is on a giant conveyor belt that starts with the frame (maybe?) and as it rolls through the factory, it gets all the parts and pieces required, which are all delivered by machines directly to the worker who is bolting/wiring it up. I would assume that all the major components (engines, axles, transmissions, etc.) are all delivered to the factory ready to go on. So, if you have a non-stop assembly line with all of the pieces required, it shouldn't really that *that* long to build a vehicle.

I am curious, though, how they keep track of the special orders...for instance, how do they know they are putting that remote start system in the Rubicon with the leather seats (mine!)? That, I think, would be the more difficult part. Maybe the are preloaded on the machines to ensure they show up at the assembly worker when the right jeep rolls through their section. Perhaps it's kind of like sorting mail, as the jeep rolls through the factory, machines read the VIN, check the required build items, and route to the proper sections in the right build order...so the workers who are installing remote start are ALWAYS installing remote start.

I need to visit the plant...who can get me in?

EDIT: After writing this post, I googled "Toledo Jeep Tour" and this is the first thing that came up - Jeep Tour
EDIT2: And...looks like you no get tour...or very much information from that link. :-/
EDIT3: This link gives a better idea of what goes on in the factor: Toledo Assembly Plants and Supplier Park
I work in the interior systems division for one of the worlds largest OEM suppliers and we supply Chrysler. To answer your question, the way we and the manufacturer get the right parts to show up for the right vehicle at the right time is a system called ILVS or in line vehicle sequencing. When your dealer inputs an order it creates a build sheet. This sheet has a unique serial number tied to your vin. These build sheets are then given to the various suppliers in the order in which the vehicles will roll down the assembly line. We barcode everything to ensure error free component sequencing and use a very sophisticated computer system to check and double check each component before it is given the ok to leave the plant. Then the parts are loaded onto the trucks in reverse order from how they will be used. When the truck arrives at the plant, it is put into sequence and then unloaded to a staging area. As each component is ready to enter the vehicle, the barcode on it is scanned and the build sheet attached to the vehicle is scanned. Only if the computer sees the part is correct according to the build sheet will it let the vehicle leave for the next assembly step. It's really quite simple and highly accurate.
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It's really quite simple and highly accurate.
Cool...thanks for the info.

For a don't let the software developers of the system hear you say "It's really quite simple"...it's not something we like to hear about the systems we build...unless they really are quite simple (Hello World).

On the other hand...if you are one of the developers...I guess you can call it what you want.
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Cool...thanks for the info.

For a don't let the software developers of the system hear you say "It's really quite simple"...it's not something we like to hear about the systems we build...unless they really are quite simple (Hello World).

On the other hand...if you are one of the developers...I guess you can call it what you want.
The software isn't simple. Sorry if I offended you. What is simple is the concept. The software is a miracle and the fact it works so well is a testament to what good software engineers can do.
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The software isn't simple. Sorry if I offended you. What is simple is the concept. The software is a miracle and the fact it works so well is a testament to what good software engineers can do.
No offense taken, I try not to take myself too seriously.

It definitely sounds like a pretty sweet system. Knowing the overarching functionality of how it all comes together is helpful. I don't think there were very many of us who expected our Jeeps would roll through the assembly plant so quickly and certainly didn't know how they kept all of it straight.

BTW - I feel your pain about leased vehicles...I leased my last Jeep. Unfortunately, circumstances dictated that I would be without a Jeep for a little over a year. Now, I regret letting it go because I still miss my electric lime green TJ.
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Cool video! Helps deal with the wait..... Well sorta
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If you think about it, it really isn't that outlandish.

I don't know what the progression is, in reality, but in theory, it is on a giant conveyor belt that starts with the frame (maybe?) and as it rolls through the factory, it gets all the parts and pieces required, which are all delivered by machines directly to the worker who is bolting/wiring it up. I would assume that all the major components (engines, axles, transmissions, etc.) are all delivered to the factory ready to go on. So, if you have a non-stop assembly line with all of the pieces required, it shouldn't really that *that* long to build a vehicle.

I am curious, though, how they keep track of the special orders...for instance, how do they know they are putting that remote start system in the Rubicon with the leather seats (mine!)? That, I think, would be the more difficult part. Maybe the are preloaded on the machines to ensure they show up at the assembly worker when the right jeep rolls through their section. Perhaps it's kind of like sorting mail, as the jeep rolls through the factory, machines read the VIN, check the required build items, and route to the proper sections in the right build order...so the workers who are installing remote start are ALWAYS installing remote start.

I need to visit the plant...who can get me in?

EDIT: After writing this post, I googled "Toledo Jeep Tour" and this is the first thing that came up - Jeep Tour
EDIT2: And...looks like you no get tour...or very much information from that link. :-/
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I work in the interior systems division for one of the worlds largest OEM suppliers and we supply Chrysler. To answer your question, the way we and the manufacturer get the right parts to show up for the right vehicle at the right time is a system called ILVS or in line vehicle sequencing. When your dealer inputs an order it creates a build sheet. This sheet has a unique serial number tied to your vin. These build sheets are then given to the various suppliers in the order in which the vehicles will roll down the assembly line. We barcode everything to ensure error free component sequencing and use a very sophisticated computer system to check and double check each component before it is given the ok to leave the plant. Then the parts are loaded onto the trucks in reverse order from how they will be used. When the truck arrives at the plant, it is put into sequence and then unloaded to a staging area. As each component is ready to enter the vehicle, the barcode on it is scanned and the build sheet attached to the vehicle is scanned. Only if the computer sees the part is correct according to the build sheet will it let the vehicle leave for the next assembly step. It's really quite simple and highly accurate.
With all that said, how many units are coming off the line each hour?

My math measured in TPS Takt time is around 2.4 per hour. That's using 2011 sales volume and 11 months, 2 shifts, 5 days per week production.

2012 and 2013 volume is up ~30% over 2011 run rate... therefore it must be around 3 units per hour.

Math check please.

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Yes your math is correct, but the methodology behind it isn't.

They can't simply speed up an assembly line. It is made of too many different stations for that. Besides, speed on assembly is only a benefit to a point, then assembly errors crop up like loose screws or ill fitted body panels.

What they do instead is add an extra crew or extend hours and or days of operation. For instance, lets say that in 2011 Jeep was running the Supplier Park facility 5 days a week, two 8 hour shifts (7a-3:30p and 3p-11:30p) so in a week they were spending 80 hours building Jeeps. Now in 2012, they are running 6 days a week, two 10 hour shifts (5a-3:30p and 1p to 11:30p) so in a week they are running 120 hours but with the overlap they are really running 108 hours. That extra 28 hours is a little bit more than 30% of 80 hours.

That's how they increase output.
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I thought it said somewhere 41 Jeeps rolling off the line every hour.
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Yes your math is correct, but the methodology behind it isn't.

They can't simply speed up an assembly line. It is made of too many different stations for that. Besides, speed on assembly is only a benefit to a point, then assembly errors crop up like loose screws or ill fitted body panels.

What they do instead is add an extra crew or extend hours and or days of operation. For instance, lets say that in 2011 Jeep was running the Supplier Park facility 5 days a week, two 8 hour shifts (7a-3:30p and 3p-11:30p) so in a week they were spending 80 hours building Jeeps. Now in 2012, they are running 6 days a week, two 10 hour shifts (5a-3:30p and 1p to 11:30p) so in a week they are running 120 hours but with the overlap they are really running 108 hours. That extra 28 hours is a little bit more than 30% of 80 hours.

That's how they increase output.
Good info... I kind of figured they extended shifts to increase the rate or output. However, I've always wondered if they run continuous, and if they do, how they cycle in 10 min. and 30 min. meal periods for associates? I'm assuming they use "water beetles" to feed the lines with components, do they load the shifts with "floaters" to cover assembly or do they stop the lines?

I once toured a major Walmart distribution center in the middle of nowhere. Amazing how they feed the retail stores continuously to assure minimal stockouts and avoiding excess inventory. They work associates non-stop... high speed conveyors feeding the back-end of 40 foot trailers all loaded manually.

Believe it or not, working as an associate in a Walmart DC is considered a major career move from picking strawberries or grapes. I wouldn't survive one day in those environments.

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Good info... I kind of figured they extended shifts to increase the rate or output. However, I've always wondered if they run continuous, and if they do, how they cycle in 10 min. and 30 min. meal periods for associates? I'm assuming they use "water beetles" to feed the lines with components, do they load the shifts with "floaters" to cover assembly or do they stop the lines?

I once toured a major Walmart distribution center in the middle of nowhere. Amazing how they feed the retail stores continuously to assure minimal stockouts and avoiding excess inventory. They work associates non-stop... high speed conveyors feeding the back-end of 40 foot trailers all loaded manually.

Believe it or not, working as an associate in a Walmart DC is considered a major career move from picking strawberries or grapes. I wouldn't survive one day in those environments.

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The industry standard practice is one unpaid 30 minute lunch break per 8 hour shift and two 15 minute paid breaks. Breaks are usually staggered so that the entire line is never on break at once and relief operators cover for each person's break. There is also another method by which the entire line is shut down for breaks. This usually doesn't work well at assembly plants since you can't have cars backing up without a place to put them.
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I thought it said somewhere 41 Jeeps rolling off the line every hour.
I think you're right ...

41*8 x 2 shifts = 656 per day

656 x 20 days = 13,120 units per month.

11 months = 144,320 units which reflects 2011 sales volume.

I tried to back into this using 2011 sales volume and typical available production hours... my numbers were off somewhere.

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Still in D1 no email this morning Tomorrow will be one month exactly since ive ordered. Lets go Jeep lets get the sold Jeeps moving.
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Still in D1 no email this morning Tomorrow will be one month exactly since ive ordered. Lets go Jeep lets get the sold Jeeps moving.
3 problems.. Just like mine.. or so I have been told..

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3 problems.. Just like mine.. or so I have been told..

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they only build that combo at certain times.
I dont know that they've built any Billet sold Orders. I'm:

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3 problems.. Just like mine.. or so I have been told..

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they only build that combo at certain times.
Then I'm really screwed...got those 3 plus the half doors
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If Jeep would update their website get rid of all the 2012 jibberish get some real shots of 2013s Billets and Commandos etc going over rocks it would help the wait. oh and new commercials are always fun, thought this was all going to happen on Sept. 1st on "launch" day.
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There's a new photo of Billet on Jeep's website this morning. This is the first time I've posted so I'm not sure if I have successfully attached it to this post. It shows up in the "Build it" section when you choose the color on a 2013 Unlimited Rubicon. It's MUCH darker than any other pix I've seen and, if accurate, is absolutely stunning.
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ok...this photo should have a black background...same photo from jeep's website.
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I with, truly wish, that Billet was that color on the jeep. I love the darker shade but earlier posts of the "real one" already made is way lighter than I thought it would be.

I got one ordered but something on my inside is telling me "you should have waited on Anvil".
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Stopped by the local dealership this morning to see if they had any 2013 Wrangler literature yet. No deal there (couple of weeks, they said), but they had a Chrysler 200 in Billet sitting in the showroom.

It is NOT as dark as the pics directly above.

I would call it a shade darker than Bright Silver was. The metallic particles in the paint are quite a bit larger than your typical silver, which gives it a more pearlescent look and it shows off body lines nicely.

I like it. I was on the fence thinking Billet would be too dark, but now not so much. I liked Bright Silver, but I like this even better.
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I ordered my billet jeep August 3rd yet when I look the vin up it says the order was put in on the 14th. So I sit in 'production scheduled' status but no time frame or other info. This blows

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