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Old 03-01-2013, 06:48 PM   #1
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2013 on order trying to decide on modifications

I have on order a 2013 Wrangler Rubicon 2 Door, Bright White W/Black 3 piece hardtop. Planning on driving out to the Rubicon Trail for the Jeep Jamboree August 8-11, 2013.

Please evaluate the following proposed Option 1 and Option 2 any thoughts or advice is welcome. I will be the first to tell you that i know nothing about the JK but have built a CJ and a YJ that are trailer queens but still good on the pavement for short distances.

Option 1.
Bumpers
Warn elite series full width front
Warn elite series Rear w/tire carrier and Hi lift mount

Winch
Zeon 8000

Under Armor
Skid Row Offroad Sway Bar disconnect skid Plate
Skid Row Lower Control arm skid plates
Skid Row Engine and Transmission skid plate
Synergy Suspension Rear Lower Control arm Skids and Shock mounts
Solid Dana 44 Differential Covers
Rock Hard Fuel Tank Breather Canister Skid Plate
Front Axle gussets and sleeves

Interior
Trail Gear Tan Floor Mats
Mopar door Sill Kit Black Plastic W/ Jeep logo

Exterior
ACE Rock Rails

Lift
AEV 2.5 Inch Bilstein Shocks
AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Brackets


Wheels
Stock
Spidertrax 1.5 inch wheel spacers

Tires
35x12.5x17 Goodyear Duratrac

Air
Viair Medium Duty Portable

Option 2

Bumpers
AEV front full and Rear

Winch
9.5 Powerplant

Under Armor
Evo Lower control arm skid plate set – Front CA skids, tube sleeves, and knuckle gusset kit)
Evo Lower control arm skid/shock mount
Purejeep Swaybar motor skid
Solid Diff covers Dana 44
Rock Hard 4x4 Parts Fuel Tank Breather Skid Plate Manufacturer Part No: RH6005
AVE Rear Diff slider
EVO-PROTEK12-KIT

Interior
Husky liners (Black)
Mopar door Sill Kit Black Plastic W/ Jeep logo

Exterior
ACE Rock Sliders

Lift
BDS 3” Kit with Fox Shocks – includes Fox Steering Stabilizer/bracket


Wheels
Stock
Rough Trail Wheel Spacer (pair)

Tires
35x12.5x17 Toyo Open A/T

Air
See winch

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Old 03-01-2013, 07:45 PM   #2
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I thought the elite bumpers don't accept the zeon

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Old 03-02-2013, 06:55 AM   #3
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I'd stick with the 2.5" lift, regardless of which option you decide on, primarily to avoid having to replace your driveshafts. At 3" and up they'll be at a fairly extreme angle (esp on a 2-door), and eventually your CV joints will go...

Also, unless you love the 17" wheel size, I'd skip the wheel spacers and buy smaller wheels with proper backspacing. It'll save you some coin on both tires and spacers, and save weight, as well, which will lessen the hit your gearing will take with the 35" tires (though, if you're getting the 4.10 gears, you should be in good shape).

If you're gonna run rocks, or even rocky trails, the DuraTracs may not be the best choice for you. Yeah, they're light, and awesome in snow, but they've got thin sidewalls (except the E-rated version that comes in the 16" size).

The Toyos, on the other hand, are really heavy.

Overall it seems like a good plan...just needs some minor tweaks. My 2 pennies.
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:56 AM   #4
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From Warn.

PN 87775* Elite Series Front Bumper without grille guard tube for the '07-12 Jeep Wrangler JK
(Bumper accepts the PowerPlant HP & HD, Endurance 12.0, VR12, VR10, 9.5cti, 9.5xp, XD9i, XD9, M8, VR8, M6. Works with WARN W350F lights (sold separately))
* Fits factory fog lights


You are correct. Thanks
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:29 AM   #5
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That's some great info for us newbies Kbwwolf, thanks!
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:30 AM   #6
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I think your plans are good, wolf makes a good point about the lift. Mine is JKUR with 2.5 and duratracs and I love the combo.

It looks like your serious about armor. Have you seen the nemesis industries skid plate system?

It's brand new and is going to be sending other skid makers back to the drawing board. Better protection and lighter using aluminum.

I just researched the hell out of it for a trip to Moab I'm making later this month.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:26 AM   #7
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KBWolf is correct about the lift. I am sticking with the 2.5 inch lift. All I have heard on the AEV lift is good. Some would argue that the drop brackets for geometry correction are old technology and adjustable control arms are new technology and allow slight tweeks to improve handling.

Pieface, yes armor is an important part of tackling the Rubicon without damage. I did run across the Nemesis kits. I discounted it almost immediately based on the $2k for textured black set. I do not think the gas tank skid, or the transfer case skid need to be replaced. I believe they will be adequate for what I am doing. However, the soild diff covers are cheap insurance, a transmission.oil pan skid are a must, as well as protection for the lower control arms. The idea is to get as flat and smooth a bottom as possible to glide over the rocks without damage. Ideally, the AEV rear diff skid would be a good addition. I am trying to be cost conscious as well. I am trying to fit all but tires into a $4k budget. This is me doing the installs. I am not concerned about doing the bolt on parts and am still debating the gusset and sleeve application to the front axle. I may hire the lift installed and the alignment. I have pricing from 300 to 500 for the lift install.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:39 AM   #8
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All I have heard on the AEV lift is good. Some would argue that the drop brackets for geometry correction are old technology and adjustable control arms are new technology and allow slight tweeks to improve handling.
A lengthy discussion on the AEV drop brackets: AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Drop Brackets

I was a bit hesitant about their effectiveness when I first read about em (mostly due to reduced clearance), but a lot of peeps have installed the AEV kits with em, and they seem to get the job done...
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:27 AM   #9
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I have the Nemesis System on order. I cant wait to see it in person. (install coming)

Ive seen some parts get damaged off road what cost way more than the 2k pricetag. A tow truck offroad is also super expensive.

I like to wheel hard with trucks taller and with larger tires. Ive got 34" Duratracs and 2.5" lift, my belly is going to hit. The point is to be able to push it to the limit offroad without fear of breaking something important.

This is my way of getting rid of the anxiety of not knowing whats around the corner. With those plates on stronger than 3/16 steel, I wont care.

My Rig also wears the Artec axle armor kit with truss and lower control arm skids. I have synergy's LCA skids in the rear.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:51 AM   #10
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PieFace, Here in the east we have some sharp rocks that can gouge out chuncks of the aluminum. I am not building mine to run with the bigger built rigs and buggy's.

I have this one for moderate trails. (308:1 crawl ratio)




And this Black one to run with the more built rigs.


So, Rubicon will be a part time daily driver and a recreational rig to do Jeep Jamboree's and mild adventures. Hence, I can adequately armor it for less for my purpose.



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Old 03-04-2013, 04:57 AM   #11
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Beginning to develop a more defined list for the upgrades. I still have not decided about the tires.

Rock Hard 4x4 Fuel Tank Breather Skid
M.O.R.E. Engine Oil pan and Transmission Skid
Terflex Front HD Knuckle Gusset &Tube Sleeve Kit
Skid Row Offroad Sway Bar Disconnect Skid Plate
Synergy Suspension Lower Control Arm Skid Plates (weld)
Synergy Suspension Rear Lower Control Arm skids with Shock Mount
Warn Elite Series Front Bumper (full width)
Warn Elite Series Bumper With Tire carrier
Warn Rear Elite Bumper Hi lift mount
AEV 2.5" dualSport XT Suspension System Bilistein Shocks
AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Brackets
Warn M8000 100 ' wire rope and fairlead
Spidertrax Wheel Spacer Kit JK 2 ea.

Alternate Bumper option
High Rock 4x4 Rear Bumper/tire carrier
High Rock 4x4 High Access Front Bumper

ViAIR 450-P Air Compressor Poly performance
2 Solid Diff Cover Dana 44 Poly Performance
ACE Engineering Rock Sliders 2DR.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:01 PM   #12
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a bit more refinement to the build sheet


Rock Hard 4x4 Fuel Tank Breather Skid
M.O.R.E. Engine Oil pan and Transmission Skid
Terflex Front HD Knuckle Gusset &Tube Sleeve Kit
Skid Row Offroad Sway Bar Disconnect Skid Plate
Synergy Suspension Lower Control Arm Skid Plates (weld)
Synergy Suspension Rear Lower Control Arm skids with Shock Mount
Warn Elite Series Front Bumper (full width)
Warn Elite Series Bumper With Tire carrier
Warn Rear Elite Bumper Hi lift mount
AEV 2.5" dualSport XT Suspension System Bilistein Shocks
AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Brackets
Warn M8000 100 ' wire rope and fairlead
1.5" Spidertrax Wheel Spacer Kit JK 2 ea.
Falken Wild Peak A/t 35x12.5x17 Quant (5)
Alternate to Warn High Rock 4x4 Rear Bumper/tire carrier
Alternate to Warn High Rock 4x4 High Access Front Bumper
ViAIR 450-P Air Compressor Poly performance
2 Solid Diff Cover Dana 44 Poly performance
ACE Engineering Rock Sliders 2DR.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I think it's odd that the Warn Elite front bumper is full width, but the rear bumper isn't? It's more of a mid width from what I see in pictures.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:28 PM   #14
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Update now 2 months into JK ownership

Rock Hard 4x4 Fuel Tank Breather Skid (Done installed)
M.O.R.E. Engine Oil pan and Transmission Skid (changed to Rock Hard and installed)
Terflex Front HD Knuckle Gusset &Tube Sleeve Kit (did not order sleeves, Gussets not installed but are on hand)
Skid Row Offroad Sway Bar Disconnect Skid Plate (Bought a Rugged Ridge W/bumper of Craigslist installed)
Synergy Suspension Lower Control Arm Skid Plates (weld) ( on hand not installed)
Synergy Suspension Rear Lower Control Arm skids with Shock Mount (deleted)
Warn Elite Series Front Bumper (full width) (deleted)
Warn Elite Series Bumper With Tire carrier (changed and bought the Best Top High Rock w/tirre carrier)
Warn Rear Elite Bumper Hi lift mount (Hi Lift mount included w/High rock Bumper)
AEV 2.5" dualSport XT Suspension System Bilistein Shocks (installed, 2.8125 inches of lift front)
AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Brackets (on hand not installed)
Warn M8000 100 ' wire rope and fairlead (Deleted, bought warnpower plant w/front bumper)
1.5" Spidertrax Wheel Spacer Kit JK 2 ea. (Deleted)
Falken Wild Peak A/t 35x12.5x17 Quant (5) (bought a set of Wildpeaks 35x12.5 on 15 inch rims)
Alternate to Warn High Rock 4x4 Rear Bumper/tire carrier (selected alternate)
Alternate to Warn High Rock 4x4 High Access Front Bumper (deleted)
ViAIR 450-P Air Compressor Poly performance (deleted)
2 Solid Diff Cover Dana 44 Poly performance (installed)
ACE Engineering Rock Sliders 2DR.(installed)

Uniden PC 68 installed w/ wilson 5000 antenna (Zebra CB radio mount on center loop)
Synergy steering stiblizer relocation bracket and tie rod clamp
Bilstien Steering stibilizer
AEV ProCal module on hand
Weathertec floor mats

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