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Old 08-16-2013, 02:03 PM   #1
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2013 sport for 2014 rubicon

So I recently purchased a 2013 base sport and have had it for over 3 months now with a little over 1500 miles. I really like it and planned on paying it off in the next 3-4 years and planned on keeping it for a very long time (10+ years). But then I saw a 2014 base rubicon for sale and like the extra features ( e-diso's, e-lockers, 4:10 gear). So would it be stupid/ crazy if I went to trade in my current sport for a'14 rubicon? If I did get the rubi I'd be looking at possibly paying it off on 5 years a opposed to my '13 sport in 3 or 4 years. Haven't gone to the dealer to see what they would offer me for everything. Just wanted a few opinions.

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So I recently purchased a 2013 base sport and have had it for over 3 months now with a little over 1500 miles. I really like it and planned on paying it off in the next 3-4 years and planned on keeping it for a very long time (10+ years). But then I saw a 2014 base rubicon for sale and like the extra features ( e-diso's, e-lockers, 4:10 gear). So would it be stupid/ crazy if I went to trade in my current sport for a'14 rubicon? If I did get the rubi I'd be looking at possibly paying it off on 5 years a opposed to my '13 sport in 3 or 4 years. Haven't gone to the dealer to see what they would offer me for everything. Just wanted a few opinions.
Nope. Cut your losses now. You are in the same boat as me. I screwed up, and bought a 2012 sahara instead of a rubi. Im not going to trade in for a rubi, because like you, Im planning on keeping it. Dump it, take the small hit, and get what you really want.

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Maybe look for a '13 instead to cut your losses a little more.
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Maybe look for a '13 instead to cut your losses a little more.
Good advice. I am at the point now that it would take me 10K without labor to get my rig up to a rubicon level. It just doesn't make financial sense to do it. Oh well, live and learn.
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Good advice. I am at the point now that it would take me 10K without labor to get my rig up to a rubicon level. It just doesn't make financial sense to do it. Oh well, live and learn.
I didn't get hammered that bad, I bought a 12 JKR new, put 20k miles on it, traded it in for 3k less than I paid for it on a 13 JKUR. I thought that was pretty reasonable. Would have been cheaper to get the 4 door the first time around, but I didn't get bent over either.
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Disclaimer: do what's best for you and your financial situation.

I bought a '12 last summer, "settling" for what the dealer had on the lot (JKUS). I wanted a JKUR, but bought into the idea I could customize a JKUS, make it "mine", etc.

A year later, I was convinced I would never have free cash lying around for the mods I'd like to pursue (2.5" lift, 35" tires, etc). I'd certainly not have the cash for a replacement front axle, lockers, that sort of thing.

A year later, I found and traded for a '13 JKUR. I could not be happier: broke even on my trade, got what I wanted, and even lowered my monthly nut! I basically financed some of the modifications I'd thought to make at one time.

A year later, I found my desires changed (that and I'm getting neither younger nor taller). All I intend to pursue suspension-wise now is a leveling kit, some 33's and maybe some new shocks.

Do what you want and can afford. Make a decision you can be happy with, and be happy with it! Life's too short to not be happy, to not be satisfied, or to regret a status quo you can change.

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Maybe look for a '13 instead to cut your losses a little more.
The thing is I'm looking at a manual trans and the one I'm looking at is in cars.com for 31400. It appears to be to basic rubi which is fine for me and is the cheapest listed rubi I've found.
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The thing is I'm looking at a manual trans and the one I'm looking at is in cars.com for 31400. It appears to be to basic rubi which is fine for me and is the cheapest listed rubi I've found.
Well, all I can say is the more flexibility you have, the more chance you have of cutting yourself a better deal. Maybe put some Rubi takeoffs on what you have now, go have some fun, and look for the right deal to come along. Or, if it means that much to you, pull the trigger and don't sweat it.

IMHO Rubi takeoffs are the single most cost-effective mod a Sport or Sahara owner can make if they want to improve offroad capability. Next in line is a winch.
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keep it and mod it. i don't want to go into the money you will lose extending your loan out another year or more. just look for rubi take offs on the cheap and next thing you know, for a lot less, you will have built your rubi, maybe better.

even if you feel like they are making a good deal, remember one thing, they are making money on whatever transaction you do. take that and the extended loan amount etc ... plus who knows where you will be in 3 years and actually OWNING your vehicle is a sweet thing (if your making payments you don't OWN your vehicle).

and if you don't think you will have the cash lying around to do some of those mods ... maybe you shouldn't be doing them anyway financed.
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Disclaimer: do what's best for you and your financial situation.

I bought a '12 last summer, "settling" for what the dealer had on the lot (JKUS). I wanted a JKUR, but bought into the idea I could customize a JKUS, make it "mine", etc.

A year later, I was convinced I would never have free cash lying around for the mods I'd like to pursue (2.5" lift, 35" tires, etc). I'd certainly not have the cash for a replacement front axle, lockers, that sort of thing.

A year later, I found and traded for a '13 JKUR. I could not be happier: broke even on my trade, got what I wanted, and even lowered my monthly nut! I basically financed some of the modifications I'd thought to make at one time.

A year later, I found my desires changed (that and I'm getting neither younger nor taller). All I intend to pursue suspension-wise now is a leveling kit, some 33's and maybe some new shocks.

Do what you want and can afford. Make a decision you can be happy with, and be happy with it! Life's too short to not be happy, to not be satisfied, or to regret a status quo you can change.

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That is a heck of a series of events!
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When i was bying my 2013 JKU S the dealer said that 90% of rubicon buyers never use those extra features that rubicon comes with. Ask yourself a question. Are you going to rock crawling often? Do you really need extra features. I went offroading with sport stock and was surprised how capable they can be.
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That is a heck of a series to events!
My point was, I was fortunate enough to (ultimately) get what I wanted which, even in light of changing desires and realities, was a JKUR.

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When i was bying my 2013 JKU S the dealer said that 90% of rubicon buyers never use those extra features that rubicon comes with. Ask yourself a question. Are you going to rock crawling often? Do you really need extra features. I went offroading with sport stock and was surprised how capable they can be.
Just the D44 front, the 4.10s, and the electronic disconnect is enough for me (enough to make it worth the trade.) The lockers are just a bonus.
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Disclaimer: do what's best for you and your financial situation.

I bought a '12 last summer, "settling" for what the dealer had on the lot (JKUS). I wanted a JKUR, but bought into the idea I could customize a JKUS, make it "mine", etc.

A year later, I was convinced I would never have free cash lying around for the mods I'd like to pursue (2.5" lift, 35" tires, etc). I'd certainly not have the cash for a replacement front axle, lockers, that sort of thing.

A year later, I found and traded for a '13 JKUR. I could not be happier: broke even on my trade, got what I wanted, and even lowered my monthly nut! I basically financed some of the modifications I'd thought to make at one time.

A year later, I found my desires changed (that and I'm getting neither younger nor taller). All I intend to pursue suspension-wise now is a leveling kit, some 33's and maybe some new shocks.

Do what you want and can afford. Make a decision you can be happy with, and be happy with it! Life's too short to not be happy, to not be satisfied, or to regret a status quo you can change.

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What did you get on your trade? Not the dollar amount, but what number did they use? Did they give you full kbb trade in value, full private party value, etc?
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What did you get on your trade? Not the dollar amount, but what number did they use? Did they give you full kbb trade in value, full private party value, etc?
Shoot - the salesman used a term to describe it, too. "The _____ range for your vehicle is from X (issues) to Y (mint)". He might've said "blue book" - I was focused more on the fact it was sight unseen and they requested a $500 holdback "just in case". Ultimately, I got Y.

Thinking about this some more, I wouldn't expect a dealer to make an offer based purely on private party valuation. If it helps, the dealer I worked with tacked on a hair under $2k to Y to arrive at their sales price for my old vehicle.

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A good gauge for a deal is:

USAA, Tread Lightly, or similar pricing for the new vehicle.
KBB or NADA excellent for your trade (assuming your trade isn't a basket case).

If you can get those numbers, you are in the ballpark. Sure, you'll run into someone that got a better deal than you, but probably not by much.
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^^^^ This.

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who really says "peace" any more ? this isn't the mid to late 90s

Anyways to the thread starter. MY opinion, i think that is absolutely ridiculous.... your 2013 as you said is only a few months old and you want to trade it for the same vehicle but higher trim level???

If you don't mind having payments longer then originally planned and also being upside down financially then go for it... in a logical view it's not worth it.

As someone else on this thread already mentioned, Are you really going to use all those extra features on the rubicon????

i can understand if your sport was 5 or more years old but A COUPLE MONTHS OLD ??? naw just not worth it
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So just out of curiosity since I was toying with a similar idea (2012 JKU Sport to 2013/14 JK Rubi (note the 4 to 2 door)). Other vehicles when you trade them in you get slammed if they are modded because the dealer will claim they must swap out to OEM parts to sell it or just send it to auction if it's too modded. What about Jeeps? I see modded Jeeps for sale at dealers all the time so it seems like it might actually not have any effect in this case? Say lift and rock sliders for instance.
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It all depends on how you are going to use it.
If you actually plan on going to 35's and off-roading (making use of the 4.10's and other features), I guess you might as well bite the bullet (assuming the alternative is adding lockers to your Sport and such). Again, this assumes you are actually going to make use of the new features to the point where it is worth the hit.

But if you are not going to use them, it makes no sense to take the hit.
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It all depends on how you are going to use it.
If you actually plan on going to 35's and off-roading (making use of the 4.10's and other features), I guess you might as well bite the bullet (assuming the alternative is adding lockers to your Sport and such). Again, this assumes you are actually going to make use of the new features to the point where it is worth the hit.

But if you are not going to use them, it makes no sense to take the hit.
Agree with this as well. If you are planning on taking the hit, make sure its worth it for the type of wheeling you do.
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To quote some people "its better to have it and not need it vs not have it and then need it." Well anyways I was thinking that after 5 years of the '13 sport I would probably trade it in for a rubi which, whether or not i need the additional features, so why not just do the trade now vs paying off a vehicle ill probably trade in for a vehicle I wanted in the first place
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who really says "peace" any more ? this isn't the mid to late 90s
Are you sure?

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When i was bying my 2013 JKU S the dealer said that 90% of rubicon buyers never use those extra features that rubicon comes with. Ask yourself a question. Are you going to rock crawling often? Do you really need extra features. I went offroading with sport stock and was surprised how capable they can be.
I may be an exception to the rule, but I took my Rubi up and down a nasty rock road after only 300 miles (70 of which included getting to the trail), and I used everything I had including the sway bar disco and lockers. I loved how capable the rubicon was but another guy had a sport stock and he only had a few spots where he struggled more than me.
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I'm in the same boat as OP except I have a 2010 JK Sport S and I only owe 7k on it. So tempted to pull the trigger on a JKUR.
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To quote some people "its better to have it and not need it vs not have it and then need it." Well anyways I was thinking that after 5 years of the '13 sport I would probably trade it in for a rubi which, whether or not i need the additional features, so why not just do the trade now vs paying off a vehicle ill probably trade in for a vehicle I wanted in the first place
To get back on topic, if anyone (including me) wants to help pay for it, then they can help with your decision. Otherwise, it's your decision: do what you want and can afford to do.

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the whole be happy buy what you want and enjoy life, i get that.

but what makes that really come true? for most people is having someone or some to love (and be loved) and being able to afford the little things. i hate seeing people do what the OP is considering. if he had an 11 or earlier it is an entirely different story! the engine, mpg, resale value etc changes everything.

but what the OP is proposing is ridiculous! this is what is wrong, being ok going into further debt for something that can be solved by a little saving and a few mods minus some stickers!

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WHAT?!?! lets say you stay on schedule. the difference between your sport and the rubicon is 14 months (maybe more maybe less whatever). give or take, i am going to propose your monthly payment is $330. over 14 months that is $4620 in mods. SO, lets say you pay off on schedule, the time AFTER that you can put away $4620 for mods. that is more, more, than enough to make your sport better than a rubicon. i am not even including the interest here either or any other money you would lose in the process. if there is a 2 year difference, that is almost $8000 in mods!!!

vehicles are monumental decisions people! DO NOT SETTLE on something unless you have a gameplan.

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the whole be happy buy what you want and enjoy life, i get that.

but what makes that really come true? for most people is having someone or some to love (and be loved) and being able to afford the little things. i hate seeing people do what the OP is considering. if he had an 11 or earlier it is an entirely different story! the engine, mpg, resale value etc changes everything.

but what the OP is proposing is ridiculous! this is what is wrong, being ok going into further debt for something that can be solved by a little saving and a few mods minus some stickers!



WHAT?!?! lets say you stay on schedule. the difference between your sport and the rubicon is 14 months (maybe more maybe less whatever). give or take, i am going to propose your monthly payment is $330. over 14 months that is $4620 in mods. SO, lets say you pay off on schedule, the time AFTER that you can put away $4620 for mods. that is more, more, than enough to make your sport better than a rubicon. i am not even including the interest here either or any other money you would lose in the process. if there is a 2 year difference, that is almost $8000 in mods!!!

vehicles are monumental decisions people! DO NOT SETTLE on something unless you have a gameplan.

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