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Old 07-23-2012, 07:01 PM   #3001
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I have never seen a 1 1/4" on a jeep either. Everything on the showroom is a 2".

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Old 07-23-2012, 07:07 PM   #3002
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Self bump. LOL
Any one have an answer?
I think it really depends on how much off-roading you plan on doing. There are much better units available, but they might not be as street friendly or as inexpensive. I plan on ordering it....but I won't be much of a wheeler.

Tough to answer....

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Old 07-23-2012, 07:14 PM   #3003
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I ordered my 2013 JKU Sport S tonight, the sales person didnt say anything about not being able to place the order when I asked about the manual restriction, so I'm a little confused about that, but totally STOKED about my new Jeep!!

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$31,757 out the door. I know this includes the Tread Lightly discount and a $500 rebate, I think it ends up being about 3% below invoice. And no, I dont feel bad about getting an amazing price on it :-)
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Thanks for responding. I think I am going to go for it. 15 days...
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:26 PM   #3005
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I ordered my 2013 JKU Sport S tonight, the sales person didnt say anything about not being able to place the order when I asked about the manual restriction, so I'm a little confused about that, but totally STOKED about my new Jeep!!

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$31,757 out the door. I know this includes the Tread Lightly discount and a $500 rebate, I think it ends up being about 3% below invoice. And no, I dont feel bad about getting an amazing price on it :-)

Cool- congrats! How'd you get a $500 rebate??
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:39 PM   #3006
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Cool- congrats! How'd you get a $500 rebate??
I really dont know, LOL. I sent emails to four different dealers asking for quotes and three of them told me I was eligible for the $500 discount. Pat says I shouldnt be, but I've placed the order and signed the paperwork, so at this point if it's an error, I dont figure it's my problem. Maybe I'm wrong about that.... Pat, can they take it off there after the paperwork is signed??
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:44 PM   #3007
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billet wait

sent three dealers my request for out the door price on
sahara, automatic, paint matched hard top, black cloth, billet metallic and garmin nav system.
told them i'm a usaa member and will join tread lightly if needed.
all three of them tried to find a 2012 in black but couldn't do it so
i'm just gonna order the billet and wait.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:50 PM   #3008
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Just ordered this morning! JKU 4-door black, black interior, AC temperature control, connectivity, 730N Media Center, remote start, heated seats, and auto transmission. Purchase price included Katzkin after-market leather seats (dark graphite with red stitching)! Dealer called this afternoon to say order was entered into the system.

Thanks to everyone for the great advice and guidance! So glad I found this forum...

I will be adding the back-up camera and night vision front camera soon.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:57 PM   #3009
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I really dont know, LOL. I sent emails to four different dealers asking for quotes and three of them told me I was eligible for the $500 discount. Pat says I shouldnt be, but I've placed the order and signed the paperwork, so at this point if it's an error, I dont figure it's my problem. Maybe I'm wrong about that.... Pat, can they take it off there after the paperwork is signed??
It really depends on your states laws. Maybe MTH will pop over on this thread and give his $.02

when your order does come in the dealer might try to back track on that rebate, but if you hold firm they will probably just eat it.

If you are friends with an attorney it might be good to ask. That way you know what the dealer can and can not get away with.

BTW which rebate was it again?

Edit: It was college grad, only 2013 Dodge Darts qualify. Maybe the dealer is hoping the Wranglers get added to the list before yours comes in.
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It really depends on your states laws. Maybe MTH will pop over on this thread and give his $.02

when your order does come in the dealer might try to back track on that rebate, but if you hold firm they will probably just eat it.

If you are friends with an attorney it might be good to ask. That way you know what the dealer can and can not get away with.

BTW which rebate was it again?

Edit: It was college grad, only 2013 Dodge Darts qualify. Maybe the dealer is hoping the Wranglers get added to the list before yours comes in.
Not a college grad, the only dealer that told me what kind it was said it was a loyalty rebate.

My 2013 is being purchased because my 2011 is being bought back by Chrysler as a Lemon, so I will ask my attorney if they can adjust pricing after the order is signed. Honestly I've not had much fun with Jeep dealers in regards to my Lemon situation, and as much as I love Jeeps, my horns will come out if they mess with me at all on my 2013.
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Not a college grad, the only dealer that told me what kind it was said it was a loyalty rebate.

My 2013 is being purchased because my 2011 is being bought back by Chrysler as a Lemon, so I will ask my attorney if they can adjust pricing after the order is signed. Honestly I've not had much fun with Jeep dealers in regards to my Lemon situation, and as much as I love Jeeps, my horns will come out if they mess with me at all on my 2013.
Well take it and run, and good luck with it all. Like I said I don't know of any loyalty program for 2013 Wranglers. So either they are hoping there is something when your Wrangler comes in or Chrysler is chipping in $500 due to the lemon situation.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:02 PM   #3012
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Well take it and run, and good luck with it all. Like I said I don't know of any loyalty program for 2013 Wranglers. So either they are hoping there is something when your Wrangler comes in or Chrysler is chipping in $500 due to the lemon situation.
Thanks :-). I think it's more likely an error than a gift (rofl at that!)
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:17 PM   #3013
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for your reply!!!!! I'm adjusting my list accordingly. I have no earthly idea what the difference is between the "3.21's" and the "3.73's," so I shall defer to your advice.
If you are NOT gonna wheel it, and NOT gonna lift it, stick with the 3.21's. They will get you better mileage.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:25 PM   #3014
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If you are NOT gonna wheel it, and NOT gonna lift it, stick with the 3.21's. They will get you better mileage.
I think it also depends where you live, if you're in the mountains or have very mountainous driving I'd want the 3.73 but if you live in the flatlands and are keeping stock tire size the 3.21 will yield better mileage.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:31 PM   #3015
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I think it also depends where you live, if you're in the mountains or have very mountainous driving I'd want the 3.73 but if you live in the flatlands and are keeping stock tire size the 3.21 will yield better mileage.
I live in Phoenix, and head up the mountains all the time, and feel that the 3.21's are more than adequate. Plus, getting 21 MPG around town, 23 on the last trip. Like everyone has stated, depends on what you are gonna use if for.
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I live in Phoenix, and head up the mountains all the time, and feel that the 3.21's are more than adequate. Plus, getting 21 MPG around town, 23 on the last trip. Like everyone has stated, depends on what you are gonna use if for.
Auto or Manual? I test drove a 2012 Sahara 4 door manual with 3.21 and was unimpressed compared to my wife's 2007 Rubicon Auto with 4.10 gears (also unimpressive but adequate). My DD for the past 10 years has been a Duramax Diesel pickup with almost 400 HP and 700 lbs of torque, I'm used to being able to pass anyone on any incline so I'm a bit biased. Truck will soon be relegated to hauling duties and my new 2013 JKUR will be my new DD, hopefully with 4.10 gears, Pentastar and a stick I'm be more than happy.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:05 PM   #3017
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Thanks, I hope it'll look good! I plan to have my Jeep for at least 10 years.

I moved to MSU for grad school (in mechanical engineering) 3 years ago. I was on campus until earlier this year, and now I live in Williamston (just east of the Lansing area). I'm hoping to get into the auto industry... if I get the job at Chrysler, I'll qualify for the employee discount.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:13 PM   #3018
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I think it also depends where you live, if you're in the mountains or have very mountainous driving I'd want the 3.73 but if you live in the flatlands and are keeping stock tire size the 3.21 will yield better mileage.
I live in North Atlanta...roads are mostly hilly, gradual inclines. I'm thinking the 3.21 will be better then? Would you agree?

I'll probably never take the Jeep to the mountains and will likely never want to do any mods that will make me regret one choice versus another. However, "better mileage" is definitely a consideration. (Price is a non-issue because the 3.73 MSRP is just $95.)
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I live in North Atlanta...roads are mostly hilly, gradual inclines. I'm thinking the 3.21 will be better then? Would you agree?

I'll probably never take the Jeep to the mountains and will likely never want to do any mods that will make me regret one choice versus another. However, "better mileage" is definitely a consideration. (Price is a non-issue because the 3.73 MSRP is just $95.)
Get the 3.73. If you are in a hilly area like north Atlanta, your transmission will be shifting up and down a lot with the 3.21. That will quickly make the mileage a non issue, but aggravate the Hell out of you with all the monkey motion going on under the hood.

I have 3.21's in my '08 and it's a pain. You may get around it with the new motor.

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If you are ordering a 2 door with an auto tranny, and plan on keeping it stock.....3.21's will probably work just fine if you live in "flat" country with the 3.6L.

However, a 4 door, a stick, mountains/hills, or any planned mods or wheeling will be better served with 3.73's.

One thing we don't know is how heavy the new Sahara wheels are....that is something to keep in the back of your mind.


In the end, 3.73's are simply more flexible. I wanted 3.21's all last year, but I'm glad I didn't purchase the Jeep that had them. I would be kicking myself for buying a $37,000 4 door Sahara that could not tow more than 2000 pounds.
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In the end, 3.73's are simply more flexible. I wanted 3.21's all last year, but I'm glad I didn't purchase the Jeep that had them. I would be kicking myself for buying a $37,000 4 door Sahara that could not tow more than 2000 pounds.
Honestly, I think that's the bigger factor. Alphabet is interested in the tow package. Even if you don't plan on towing a lot of stuff, I think it's better to go for the maximum lbs. You'll need 3.73 for that.
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^True indeed...

Just keep in mind that if she is looking at a 2-door, they are all capped at 2000 pounds, regardless of axle ratio. But it would still be easier to pull that 2000 pounds with 3.73's.
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I live in North Atlanta...roads are mostly hilly, gradual inclines. I'm thinking the 3.21 will be better then? Would you agree?

I'll probably never take the Jeep to the mountains and will likely never want to do any mods that will make me regret one choice versus another. However, "better mileage" is definitely a consideration. (Price is a non-issue because the 3.73 MSRP is just $95.)
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3.73, and if 4.10 is available that would be even better for towing, however mpg would take a hit on the highway.
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3.73, and if 4.10 is available that would be even better for towing, however mpg would take a hit on the highway.
Another vote for 3.73, this chart shows that on 3.21 the larger Sport S tire is not optimal for a DD: What gear ratio for 32, 33 or35" tires (2012 unlimited) For the 29" Sport tire diameter you'd be fine with 3.21 and an automatic.

I ordered a truck back in 1994 (when HP ratings were very low, maybe 175 HP for a 305 V8 on a full sized pickup) and chose the 3.73 over the 4.10 for better mileage. As soon as I hooked up my first trailer I was regretting that choice for the next 5 years until I got a different tow vehicle. Looking back I should have either got the 350 V8 with 3.73 or the 4.10 gears on the 305. Friend with the 350 had nearly identical gas mileage to me.

You only get to order stock gears once, was looking at a 2012 with 3.21 and checked into cost to re-gear, only shop in MA I found that would do it wanted over $2K for re-gearing to 4.10 so I waited and ordered a 2013.
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And...I just showed Husband all your replies about 3.21 versus 3.73. He said, "Okay," and left the room. Which is both awesome (because I can choose whatever I want) and not (because it would be great to have some in-house input). :-)

I'm getting the two-door. I want the Wrangler ready-to-tow, but may not actually pull anything; it's mainly for carrying bikes.

I want optimum mpg, but my mileage will be so low that whichever I choose won't make a huge impact on my wallet. Also, if we take the Jeep anywhere it will likely be north into the mountains. So, based on these considerations, I'm leaning towards the 3.73.
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And...I just showed Husband all your replies about 3.21 versus 3.73. He said, "Okay," and left the room. Which is both awesome (because I can choose whatever I want) and not (because it would be great to have some in-house input). :-)

I'm getting the two-door. I want the Wrangler ready-to-tow, but may not actually pull anything; it's mainly for carrying bikes.

I want optimum mpg, but my mileage will be so low that whichever I choose won't make a huge impact on my wallet. Also, if we take the Jeep anywhere it will likely be north into the mountains. So, based on these considerations, I'm leaning towards the 3.73.

I would not let MPG make the choice for you, its 1MPG at best difference.. even over the life of the vehicle we are talking pennies in savings, I will take the usefulness of the lower gears (numerically higher number = lower gears BTW) all day long..
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It is better to have more than less when it comes to power and really all the Jeep options. A loaded Rubicon is still almost $20k less than a Tahoe or Yukon. I had a 2004 unlimited sport and I just kept dumping money in it trying to turn it in to a Rubicon. Now I have a 2012 manual Rubicon and even though I still modify it, it is more style than performance upgrades. In the end it is probably less expensive to get it loaded out on the front end if you can. Just my 2 cents!
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Continuing on...

7/23 - Dealer: contacts dealer rep at Chrysler to see what's going on

7/23 - Dealer Rep: Contacts plant mgr to find out why my Wrangler wasn't changed from D1 stats to C as all leather Wranglers were supposed to be changed back to C. Because it was still D1 (even with the new 8/16 ship date) she could not swap the leather to cloth.

7/23 - Plant Mgr: Makes change from Leather to cloth (and allows 2 other minor changes "add side air bags"...)

7/23 - Dealer: Waiting on confirmation but they should be able to now get it built this week.

Had I not called this AM nobody would have noticed this 7/23 to 8/16 delay for several days and VOTS is no help at this stage. I suggest calling and doing so often.
7/24 - Dealer: Chrysler confirmed changes to order remove leather/heated seats, remove Auto Temp Control, add side air bags. Jeep should now be built this week but I don't have a date yet as it takes 48 hours for their systems to reflect. VOTS still shows I have leather. Have no idea if they changed status from D1 to C to make these changes or if they put the changes in as an exception while in D1 status. So long as it's built this week I don't really care.
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I'm currently with BMW in California. Good place for my field. A degree in ME will bring lots of opportunities for you. Choose carefully. I'm in Surface Design.

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Oh, not at all! I've always been a car guy, so I moved to Michigan for grad school hoping to make contacts in the auto industry.

But, if I may rant for a moment, the job search has been really disappointing. I'm coming to realize that an engineering degree isn't the sure thing it once was. At the career fairs on campus, most of the company reps took a 5-second glance at my resume and told me to apply on their website. (That isn't networking... I could have applied online without putting on a suit and printing 50 copies of my resume. And they were doing that to everyone, so it's not like they just weren't impressed with my resume.) Furthermore, I've applied to dozens of positions through monster.com and directly through the company's websites, and none of them have even responded. The only interviews I've landed were through hiring agents who contacted me. Why do companies tell me to apply on their website if they don't hire that way?

Anyway, I've interviewed with Chrysler and a few tier-1 suppliers, but the Chrysler job is my favorite since it involves thermal/fluid systems, which was my chosen field in grad school.

As for the Jeep, I've already ordered it. I've always wanted one, and I was fortunate to have been able to save enough money during my co-op as an undergrad.

How do you like working for BMW? I've always been a fan of BMW's too, but they just seem so expensive to me once you pile on the options.
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Hey guys ordered my 2013 Wrangler Sport today
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But i was wondering one thing about when i ordered. The guy said he would order it later that day as i did it at 10am.

With the hardtop do those windows automatically come tinted as stated here?

BLACK 3-PIECE HARD TOP $795 ($708) (no charge with Dual Top Group)
FREEDOM PANEL STORAGE BAG (CS2)
REAR WINDOW DEFROSTER (GFA)
REAR WINDOW WIPER/WASHER (JHB)
TINTED RR QTR & LIFTGATE WINDOWS (GED)

Or is that extra? Because when I brought it up to the guy and he tryed checking and it was only available on saharas and rubicons? But when i was on the lot leaving i noticed a base sport with a hardtop that had the dark tinted windows?

Any ideas here guys?

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