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Old 08-06-2012, 02:10 PM   #4501
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For those that have had 2012 JKU's and now have 2013's (or have been able to compare). Are the doors really easier to shut?
Nice question... I wondered the same thing.

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Old 08-06-2012, 02:26 PM   #4502
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Sounds like you were looking at sound equipment instructions? Those are a different animal entirely. However, as an aside, sometimes technical writers have to write about features that don't exist yet (gasp!). Perhaps at the time of writing the "Shuffle Soft-Key" was on the Features List but not yet on the product...and then they forgot to update the doc. Or couldn't. (I know. Excuses, excuses.)

p.s. Did you ever find that Shuffle Soft-Key? Because that's now one of the first things I shall look for when I get my Jeep...
I had to take a different car to work today (see previous post about the mother-in-law who can't get into the Jeep), because we had to drop her off at the airport after a week long visit. FINALLY.

At any rate, I now have to wait until I get home to take another crack at it. Will keep you posted.

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Old 08-06-2012, 02:35 PM   #4503
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Yessir, you can still retain factory steering wheel controls by using a PAC Audio control module. They vary by HU choice, but I'm seeing all the big HU manufacturers on the site.

Pac-audio.com Products
Nice to know! Something I'll start taking a look at.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:36 PM   #4504
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Just finalized my pricing on 2013 JKU order. Waiting for Billet to open up now. I sent an email to 20 local dealers requesting 3% under invoice and 2 responded with a yes. Let me know if you're planning to order in the DFW area and I can save you some time weeding out the "let me talk you into a 2012" or "Wranglers are in high demand so we don't need to negotiate" speech.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:39 PM   #4505
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That is billet indeed. I saw a couple of billet chargers from '11 sitting on a dealer lot next to some Jeeps. I thought it looked pretty dark (to be a true replacement for silver). Everyone has different tastes, too dark for mine on a JKU (and I think that pic makes it look slightly lighter than in person). Of course if it's in direct sunlight it makes a difference, as the old bright silver almost looked white in lots of sun.
Argh.....pretty dark.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:45 PM   #4506
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For those that have had 2012 JKU's and now have 2013's (or have been able to compare). Are the doors really easier to shut?
Hmmm .... In the glove box there is a rubber hammer and
some wooden wedges with instructions to open window
after getting in and putting wedges into door cracks to
keep door from opening

Sorry I just had too ...
I demo'ed a 2012 and didn't notice any difference from
the 2013 I have which is easy to close.
I did notice if windows are up and you have a top on
they need a good push or pull (when inside) to close.
That is because they are so air tight if that is what
you mean ? Unless you meant mechancial problems
from closing. No problem there they close and lock
very well.
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Fine, I appreciate your need to be implicitly specific....point is you can combine multiple "affiliate pricing" qualifications.
Are you sure about this? Everything I have ever read and/or heard has been the exact opposite. Are you sure you aren't just getting a price that is lower than 1% below invoice? The dealers get 2% back from someone using affiliates, so 3% under isn't unheard of.
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Fine, I appreciate your need to be implicitly specific....point is you can combine multiple "affiliate pricing" qualifications.
The dealer doesn't have to honor the affiliate rewards discount, but the 2% back from Chrysler is a good incentive for them to take it. As far as combining discounts, etc, thats just a deal between you and the dealer. You can't combine the Tread Lightly discount and your company affiliate discount, they only get one control number to use on the same car. Any other deal is between you and the dealer.

It's important to remember to not get too bent out of shape over 1%. If you finance for 72 months, that's only about $5 a month. One wayward extra detailing fee or something and the savings is gone.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:54 PM   #4509
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Just finalized my pricing on 2013 JKU order. Waiting for Billet to open up now. I sent an email to 20 local dealers requesting 3% under invoice and 2 responded with a yes. Let me know if you're planning to order in the DFW area and I can save you some time weeding out the "let me talk you into a 2012" or "Wranglers are in high demand so we don't need to negotiate" speech.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #4510
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Nice question... I wondered the same thing.
Once you get the hang of it, the 2013's aren't too bad. I figure 3 out of 4 times I get it closed on the first attempt. Haven't noticed it any either on my 2013 vs. the 2012 that I originally test drove. Robskully is 100% correct. They're a bit harder when it's all sealed up.
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Hmmm .... In the glove box there is a rubber hammer and
some wooden wedges with instructions to open window
after getting in and putting wedges into door cracks to
keep door from opening

Sorry I just had too ...
I demo'ed a 2012 and didn't notice any difference from
the 2013 I have which is easy to close.
I did notice if windows are up and you have a top on
they need a good push or pull (when inside) to close.
That is because they are so air tight if that is what
you mean ? Unless you meant mechancial problems
from closing. No problem there they close and lock
very well.
Rob ....
I remember test driving three 2012 JKU's (all buttoned up), and for as light as the door was, you really had to slam it shut.

That was listed as one of the new items for the 2013's...doors that are easier to shut. I'm guessing there is some type of venting....but who knows. I was just curious.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:02 PM   #4512
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That's because I believe it is a federal law. Here is a good reference (http://www.ryanswansonlaw.com/Docume...vice_Plans.pdf) The lines between warranties, service contracts and insurance are subtle, but this is why you never see those manufacturer plans ever called "warranties.". They are not provided without consideration.
Not to be a jerk, but I just want to clear this up.

1) The statutes cited by that link are Washington State laws, not federal. The Magnuson-Moss Act is cited, but not for the proposition that it is against the law to refer to service contracts as extended warranties.

2) This is just delineating the legal distinction between a warranty (as a general term) and a service contract; not implying that it is somehow illegal to call a service contract a warranty. The distinction is basically just that a warranty applies to all purchasers of a good and is generally not negotiated before purchase, whereas a service contract (aka extended warranty) is a private agreement between a specific buyer and a merchant or manufacturer.

3) By way of example, I'm in Connecticut. See this state statute (Conn. Gen. Stat. § 42-260), clearly defining an extended warranty as something you buy, just like the Jeep extended warranty discussed in this very thread: CHAPTER 743j EXTENDED WARRANTIES.

4) I don't know what you mean by something never being provided without consideration, but neither a regular warranty nor a service contract is ever obtained without consideration. Any contract without consideration isn't even legally enforceable. You learn that in your first month of law school.

5) I don't know why I care so much about this- I guess I just don't like seeing incorrect information distributed for apparently no reason. Again, I don't mean to seem like a jerk, but what you are claiming is not the case. I'd bet my law degree on it.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:07 PM   #4513
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Just finalized my pricing on 2013 JKU order. Waiting for Billet to open up now. I sent an email to 20 local dealers requesting 3% under invoice and 2 responded with a yes. Let me know if you're planning to order in the DFW area and I can save you some time weeding out the "let me talk you into a 2012" or "Wranglers are in high demand so we don't need to negotiate" speech.
Thanks! Now for the tough part, negotiating with the CFO...
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:11 PM   #4514
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When I called the 877-I-AM-JEEP phone number, the lady told me they only have one system they use. She mentioned that there is a documenting system where they keep notes about issues, so I guess there are really two systems.
Either way, I didn't get much help or info. Supposedly my vehicle is scheduled finished on 13 August, and on rail car 17 April. One week from now and it's showing D1 since 7/18
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:31 PM   #4515
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Not to be a jerk, but I just want to clear this up.

1) The statutes cited by that link are Washington State laws, not federal. The Magnuson-Moss Act is cited, but not for the proposition that it is against the law to refer to service contracts as extended warranties.

2) This is just delineating the legal distinction between a warranty (as a general term) and a service contract; not implying that it is somehow illegal to call a service contract a warranty. The distinction is basically just that a warranty applies to all purchasers of a good and is generally not negotiated before purchase, whereas a service contract (aka extended warranty) is a private agreement between a specific buyer and a merchant or manufacturer.

3) By way of example, I'm in Connecticut. See this state statute (Conn. Gen. Stat. § 42-260), clearly defining an extended warranty as something you buy, just like the Jeep extended warranty discussed in this very thread: CHAPTER 743j EXTENDED WARRANTIES.

4) I don't know what you mean by something never being provided without consideration, but neither a regular warranty nor a service contract is ever obtained without consideration. Any contract without consideration isn't even legally enforceable. You learn that in your first month of law school.

5) I don't know why I care so much about this- I guess I just don't like seeing incorrect information distributed for apparently no reason. Again, I don't mean to seem like a jerk, but what you are claiming is not the case. I'd bet my law degree on it.
I stand corrected. No offense taken.
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When I called the 877-I-AM-JEEP phone number, the lady told me they only have one system they use. She mentioned that there is a documenting system where they keep notes about issues, so I guess there are really two systems.
Either way, I didn't get much help or info. Supposedly my vehicle is scheduled finished on 13 August, and on rail car 17 April. One week from now and it's showing D1 since 7/18
What options do you have on yours? Mine's been delayed several times as well.
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Just called IAMJEEP, and the nice lady informed me that mine was scheduled to be built today and loaded on a rail car tomorrow, will take a very roundabout trip through the midwest, and will be here sometime next week. I have black leather, and VOTS is still showing production scheduled with the leather warning. She checked two different places, and the dates matched, so I'm not sure what to think, other than yipee.
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Yes. I got 3.7% below invoice with USAA.

But they changed the quote process. The first time I went through it, I received emails with three quotes from dealers that clearly stated how much below MSRP their prices were. A few days later when I did it, I received three emails with the dealers' contact information and was instructed to call them. That wasn't quite as informative.

I haven't actually purchased my vehicle because I'm waiting for the leather option (tomorrow?! maybe?!) and the USAA dealer that I like is too far away, but the sales rep was SO informative that I was able to take his numbers and negotiate with a local dealer. As thanks, I plan to write up a few positive reviews of the USAA sales rep...

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p.s. I'm eligible for Chrysler's Affiliate Rewards (that's the discount you can also get by signing up for a three-year membership with Tread Lightly), but I haven't tried combining the discounts. 1.) I don't think that's allowed, and 2.) I haven't actually placed my order yet. Let us know if you're able to make it happen for yourself, though!
Great info, thanks. I will for sure. -Steve
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I'm Jonny down in Fl looking to buy / order my first jeep. Anyone know what is the earliest I can order the rock lobster colored Wrangler. My dealer knew nothing about it. Said the color might just be Internet gossip.
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I'm Jonny down in Fl looking to buy / order my first jeep. Anyone know what is the earliest I can order the rock lobster colored Wrangler. My dealer knew nothing about it. Said the color might just be Internet gossip.
Check out the first post in this thread and the following few pages and it'll clear up any questions you have.
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I want to point out that affiliate pricing can be combined with tread lightly discount, as well as other discounts. Most dealers will tell you that they can't, but with a little persuasion dealers will combine them. I'm combining 3 discounts. Just because you have affiliate pricing doesn't mean you shouldn't get a tread lightly membership. Plus you are helping support a great non profit organization.
That is totally false. Dealer can only claim one control number from one program per vehicle. You can not use a control number from affiliate rewards thru Tread Lightly and then use a control number from the supplier discount program thru your employer.

Your dealer might have told you yes and given you more of the holdback, but your dealer lied. I posted the rules in my mini forum on the home page.
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What options do you have on yours? Mine's been delayed several times as well.
2 door Sahara in Dozer.
Biggest options are connectivity group and Black leather, but it never showed a back order. It's strange because if they are right, they will have just 4 business days to build and inspect it.
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That is totally false. Dealer can only claim one control number from one program per vehicle. You can not use a control number from affiliate rewards thru Tread Lightly and then use a control number from the supplier discount program thru your employer.

Your dealer might have told you yes and given you more of the holdback, but your dealer lied. I posted the rules in my mini forum on the home page.
Perhaps the confusion is coming from this: as I understand you can use only one control number to get Affiliate Rewards pricing --- however you can still get rebate/discount for military, recent college grad, etc - i.e. there other types of promotions that are still available.

The way I look at it, TL (or any other Affiliate/Friends rewards) gets you to 1% under invoice. Mythically applying a second control number gets you to.... The exact same 1% under invoice. Recent college is/was $500 off your order, not a specific % under invoice (see, I didn't say % off of invoice)
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Just called IAMJEEP, and the nice lady informed me that mine was scheduled to be built today and loaded on a rail car tomorrow, will take a very roundabout trip through the midwest, and will be here sometime next week. I have black leather, and VOTS is still showing production scheduled with the leather warning. She checked two different places, and the dates matched, so I'm not sure what to think, other than yipee.
You gave me hope, but I just called about my order with dark saddle leather and couldn't get any better info. The nice lady was obviously wrong because she says it's showing that it started production on July 19th with an expected ship date of August 22d. So I guess my frame must be sitting off on the side of the production line somewhere waiting for that dark saddle leather interior restriction to lift ... since production supposedly started 4 days before they started officially building them!

I may have to call back later and see if I can get someone more helpful...
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I went to the USAA website and built my Rubi Unlimited. There are a lot of program errors such as both gear ratios being selected etc. I will just call Pat when it comes time to buy. Sounds like the best and easiest way
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I don't know why I care so much about this- I guess I just don't like seeing incorrect information distributed for apparently no reason. Again, I don't mean to seem like a jerk, but what you are claiming is not the case. I'd bet my law degree on it.
Thanks for taking the time to say it for me. Not sure why, but it bugged me too. I could see it being a universal statute as a part of the UCC, but I'm to lazy to look it up.

Anyways, THW is dead on. They are both contracts and what the contracts call themselves under laws like the washington statute are irrelevant because the statute defines what they are based on the content of the contracts, not what the contracts call themselves.

Back to Jeeps...they are cooler than contracts.
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Hi all - thanks for the excellent information. Could not be more excited about my upcoming purchase thanks to this addicting forum. Seeking opinions on Billet. I realize that saddle leather with billet exterior would not be a natural first choice for many people (black leather seems more obvious). But I prefer the lighter interior. Also, I occasionally see high end gray/silver cars with tan interior. Any opinions? Has anyone else ordered that combo? Hopefully I will be placing that order on a sahara unlimited this week - assuming the system opens for billet and leather this week.
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Well, $500 direct mailer expires tomorrow....but I'm not sure if I can use that on a placed order or not (or if it has to actually be taken from dealer stock). If so, that would be sweet. If not, do I order anyway and hope another one comes by late September/early October when the Jeep arrives? Or do I wait until September (Labor Day) to see if new incentives hit? And what about the Freedom Edition with leather?

So many questions.....
Commando Green or Billet?
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I went to the USAA website and built my Rubi Unlimited. There are a lot of program errors such as both gear ratios being selected etc. I will just call Pat when it comes time to buy. Sounds like the best and easiest way
Yeah. If I lived near him, that's what I would have done...

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