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Old 06-19-2012, 10:37 AM   #1411
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Why is your window tight to order 1 of those colors? They're around till Oct/Nov...
I was wondering the same thing. We know that 2013s will be available in dealerships on September 1, and even if nobody sees a 2013 in person until September 1, you'd still have almost a month and a half before they stopped spraying them in dozer, and a full two months for crush... I think as long as you placed your order sometime in the month of September you'd probably be fine, right?

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I don't fully know how these things work, but is it at all possible that they could run out of the Dozer/Crush paint prior to when they are expecting it to close?

I imagine they made a guess based on how much of the colors they had left and the purchase pattern.

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Why is your window tight to order 1 of those colors? They're around till Oct/Nov...
I am leaning toward a Dozer Rubicon and it says on the first page "DOZER CLEAR COAT (production ends October 12th)". I read that as the last Dozer will be painted on 10-12. I would prefer to see the new interior changes before I place an order, and I am hoping dealers have the first few 2013's on the lot around August 31st. So assuming it takes a month to build a custom order jeep, I need to have an order placed by September 12th if I want Dozer. Perhaps I am off a few days on these estimates, but it does appear Dozer will be a fairly tight window if I choose to wait and see the new 2013s first. With that said, the seat changes are likely to be fairly minor. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and place an order now. Worst case is I lose a $500 deposit if I don't like it when it comes in.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:49 AM   #1414
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This past weekend I placed an order for a 2013 Unlimited Sahara. In reviewing the paperwork that I was given, it shows listed as a DEALER ORDER with a BUILD PRIORITY of 99. In reading through this forum, I see SOLD ORDER referenced. Should my order have been placed that way? Is there a difference?
What does the Scheduling priority say? A sold order would be a scheduling priority of 1 with a build priority of 99. And under the options list towards the bottom it should say 4EA Sold Vehicle.

Once the vehicle gets a VIN, then Scheduling priority says 1- sold order and then the Build priority changes to 01.

I have the initial invoice and the new invoice my husband printed last night with my VIN.

Sold orders are built before regular dealer orders.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:14 AM   #1415
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I downloaded these 2013 info sheets a couple weeks back. Not sure if they came from here or not, but I don't recall seeing them in this thread and thought you might be interested in them.




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Old 06-19-2012, 11:16 AM   #1416
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What does the Scheduling priority say? A sold order would be a scheduling priority of 1 with a build priority of 99. And under the options list towards the bottom it should say 4EA Sold Vehicle.

Once the vehicle gets a VIN, then Scheduling priority says 1- sold order and then the Build priority changes to 01.

I have the initial invoice and the new invoice my husband printed last night with my VIN.

Sold orders are built before regular dealer orders.
In further looking at this, I don't think this is the actual build sheet. It only says "Configuration Preview" way at the top.

At the top it shows:
Status: BA - Pending Order
Towards the bottom says:
Order Type: Retail
Sched Priority: 4 - Dealer Order
Build Priority: 99

Both the Customer Name and address fields are blank.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:50 AM   #1417
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I downloaded these 2013 info sheets a couple weeks back. Not sure if they came from here or not, but I don't recall seeing them in this thread and thought you might be interested in them.
LOL I believe you did get those from this thread. Don't be surprised if someone asks you to remove those soon...
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:52 AM   #1418
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In further looking at this, I don't think this is the actual build sheet. It only says "Configuration Preview" way at the top.

At the top it shows:
Status: BA - Pending Order
Towards the bottom says:
Order Type: Retail
Sched Priority: 4 - Dealer Order
Build Priority: 99

Both the Customer Name and address fields are blank.
The real invoice on a sold order should have your name and address on it.
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What does the Scheduling priority say? A sold order would be a scheduling priority of 1 with a build priority of 99. And under the options list towards the bottom it should say 4EA Sold Vehicle.

Once the vehicle gets a VIN, then Scheduling priority says 1- sold order and then the Build priority changes to 01.

I have the initial invoice and the new invoice my husband printed last night with my VIN.

Sold orders are built before regular dealer orders.
Is there any reason that a dealer would order someone's Jeep as a regular dealer order instead of a sold one?
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I have a 17 digit number emailed to me referred to as my vehicles "serial number." I assumed this was my VIN bc when I went to get an insurance quote online and put it in the place for VIN it populated a 2013 Wrangler Unlimited. However, I can not pull up anything in VOTS using the last 8 of this number as VIN or VON. Anyone familiar enough with the system to speculate as to why this may be? I am beginning to wonder if ENCS possibly put my order in other another last name? (I tried putting ENCS in the last name block to no avail.)
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Worst case is I lose a $500 deposit if I don't like it when it comes in.
I put $1000 down as a deposit, but it is refundable if I choose to not go through with the transaction. I doubt that would be a painless process, but it is an option.
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I put $1000 down as a deposit, but it is refundable if I choose to not go through with the transaction. I doubt that would be a painless process, but it is an option.
A refundable deposit seems weird to me. What's the point? Why make you pay at all? (But it's cool that yours is refundable!) I paid $1k too, but no refunds. It's fine with me because as long as the Jeep is how I ordered it, I will definitely be driving it home!
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LOL I believe you did get those from this thread. Don't be surprised if someone asks you to remove those soon...
Possibly but these have been up on another forum since the day they were removed from this forum so they are readily accessible to anyone and have been for almost 3 weeks now.

I was amazed how quickly they were taken off this forum but not the other one, just checked and they're still up over there.
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Why is the 4.10 ratio standard with the manual trans. which is geared lower, and the 3.73 is standard with the auto. trans which is geared a little higher? That seems totally backward.
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Why is the 4.10 ratio standard with the manual trans. which is geared lower, and the 3.73 is standard with the auto. trans which is geared a little higher? That seems totally backward.
I believe the pre-2012 standard was geared lower but the newer 6 spd is geared higher than the auto. Look at this chart, with the same gears the auto can now handle a larger tire than the standard.

What gear ratio for 32, 33 or35" tires (2012 unlimited)

Notice how a 3.73 Auto with 33's is green where the standard is not.
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Possibly but these have been up on another forum since the day they were removed from this forum so they are readily accessible to anyone and have been for almost 3 weeks now.

I was amazed how quickly they were taken off this forum but not the other one, just checked and they're still up over there.
They are on the other forum because a member from here posted them there. I had to remove them an have not been given the ok to repost. I think members should keep the info here so we can draw more vendors and maybe better deals from the vendors if they see this is the forum to be on. Just my opinion though.
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Is there any reason that a dealer would order someone's Jeep as a regular dealer order instead of a sold one?
I contacted the sales manager, and he said that he just placed my order yesterday (Monday), and did put in my information. So, what I got from them on Saturday was just to make sure they got all the options correct. I will be stopping in this evening to deal with my trade-in, so I should get some updated paperwork as well.
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They are on the other forum because a member from here posted them there. I had to remove them an have not been given the ok to repost. I think members should keep the info here so we can draw more vendors and maybe better deals from the vendors if they see this is the forum to be on. Just my opinion though.
I agree, keep it here and if anything post a link to this forum at another one don't take the info posted here and put it on a different forum.
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A refundable deposit seems weird to me. What's the point? Why make you pay at all? (But it's cool that yours is refundable!) I paid $1k too, but no refunds. It's fine with me because as long as the Jeep is how I ordered it, I will definitely be driving it home!
I think it depends on the dealer and how you order the Jeep. When we were buying our 2012 Rubi, the sales manager said he would refund us the deposit if we found another simply because he knew he would be able to sell the Jeep he would have built.
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I think it depends on the dealer and how you order the Jeep. When we were buying our 2012 Rubi, the sales manager said he would refund us the deposit if we found another simply because he knew he would be able to sell the Jeep he would have built.
I understand that perspective, except I still don't understand the requirement for any deposit at all under those circumstances.

If I asked you to give me $1000, which I promised that I would keep locked in a box and never spend on anything, and would return to you at any time upon your request, I think you'd ask "Well, if you aren't going to use it and will return it whenever I ask for it, why the hell do you want the $1000 in the first place?"

I'm not suggesting that something fishy is going on- I just really don't see the point of a fully refundable deposit. I'm pretty sure the whole raison d'etre of a deposit immediately disintegrates when it can be refundable simply because someone changes their mind...
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I understand that perspective, except I still don't understand the requirement for any deposit at all under those circumstances.

If I asked you to give me $1000, which I promised that I would keep locked in a box and never spend on anything, and would return to you at any time upon your request, I think you'd ask "Well, if you aren't going to use it and will return it whenever I ask for it, why the hell do you want the $1000 in the first place?"
It shows "Good Faith". It shows that you don't have some jerk in front of you trying to order a vehicle with no intentions of ever taking possession.
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It shows "Good Faith". It shows that you don't have some jerk in front of you trying to order a vehicle with no intentions of ever taking possession.
except that jerk can still have no intentions of ever taking possession if he knows he'll get his deposit back whenever he wants, right?

I mean, how can it possibly ensure that the buyer isn't just wasting your time, if he is allowed to revoke his deposit whenever he changes his mind? See what I mean? It doesn't show good faith. All it shows is that the potential buyer has $X available to put down today.
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except that jerk can still have no intentions of ever taking possession if he knows he'll get his deposit back whenever he wants, right?
But, how many jerks are there willing to put up $1000 of their own money and also be willing to have to possibly fight to get their money back?
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I understand that perspective, except I still don't understand the requirement for any deposit at all under those circumstances.

If I asked you to give me $1000, which I promised that I would keep locked in a box and never spend on anything, and would return to you at any time upon your request, I think you'd ask "Well, if you aren't going to use it and will return it whenever I ask for it, why the hell do you want the $1000 in the first place?"

I'm not suggesting that something fishy is going on- I just really don't see the point of a fully refundable deposit. I'm pretty sure the whole raison d'etre of a deposit immediately disintegrates when it can be refundable simply because someone changes their mind...
It's there simply to ensure you come back. It doesn't allow the buyer to back out without notice. It also gives the seller some sort of leverage to negotiate with. For example, if I say I am not satisfied I want my money back the dealer has the chance to say "how can I make this right" and still get the sale. If no deposit at all was required the buyer could simply walk away without even notifying the seller of an issue. Also, if no deposit was required what would stop someone from going to five different dealerships and ordering five different Jeeps just to see which one they liked? Just my two cents.
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It's there simply to ensure you come back. It doesn't allow the buyer to back out without notice. It also gives the seller some sort of leverage to negotiate with. For example, if I say I am not satisfied I want my money back the dealer has the chance to say "how can I make this right" and still get the sale. If no deposit at all was required the buyer could simply walk away without even notifying the seller of an issue. Also, if no deposit was required what would stop someone from going to five different dealerships and ordering five different Jeeps just to see which one they liked? Just my two cents.
^ That's the long definition of when I said it shows "Good Faith".
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^ That's the long definition of when I said it shows "Good Faith".
Ya, sorry about that, internet is kinda slow here. I started typing before your post lol.
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It's there simply to ensure you come back. It doesn't allow the buyer to back out without notice. It also gives the seller some sort of leverage to negotiate with. For example, if I say I am not satisfied I want my money back the dealer has the chance to say "how can I make this right" and still get the sale. If no deposit at all was required the buyer could simply walk away without even notifying the seller of an issue. Also, if no deposit was required what would stop someone from going to five different dealerships and ordering five different Jeeps just to see which one they liked? Just my two cents.
This makes sense, although I disagree with Ralph that this is the same thing as Good Faith.

Let's say I'm interested in a 2013 Rubicon, but I want to see one in person with the exact specifications I want before I commit. I also know I want to buy it from Pat in Chicago, because he has the best pricing I can possibly find. But I'm in Connecticut, so that's kind of a long trip for me. I could just order my exact Rubicon from a dealer here, pay my refundable deposit, and wait until it comes in to take a look at it. Even if I like it, I'll still get my deposit back to give it to Pat.

That's not good faith.

I agree that few people would go through all of this trouble, but all I'm saying is that a refundable deposit doesn't ensure good faith. I agree that it ensures that the customer has to come back, giving the salesman one last chance to snag the sale. But why not just have non-refundable deposits?
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Ya, sorry about that, internet is kinda slow here. I started typing before your post lol.

No problem. Sometimes we need to hear things in different ways, using different words, to understand. Your post reinforced mine. It didn't detract.
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Here's the deal: It's not a deposit if you can get your money back... Period.
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Here's the deal: It's not a deposit if you can get your money back... Period.
I agree, but that's a different discussion. What it's called and what sense does it make to have to pay $1000 is two different things.

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