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Old 06-19-2012, 01:29 PM   #1441
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Here's the deal: It's not a deposit if you can get your money back... Period.
Oh no! What about all the "deposits" I've made to the bank!

Lol, sorry, I'm a smart a** sometimes

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Oh no! What about all the "deposits" I've made to the bank!

Lol, sorry, I'm a smart a** sometimes
Consider them "Loans" to your bank where they get to use your money and you get little or nothing in return.

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yup the dealer i am going to see on Friday with my Wife wants a $1000 deposit but I am doing just like DHdad did ... credit card ;-)
Also ya i saw the stuff Pat had to take down here and told him someone else put it up on the other forum i was on. This is DEFINATLY the best forum for us. So, so much info and people to get info from.
I have already helped many here via email & PM's.
Actually after seeing that 2013 info posted here again eases my mind now !
I posted earlier about White not being a 2013 color BUT the brochure says right there ...
Color Plan ...
Carryover: Black, Bright White .....
I'm a happy boy now ;-)
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Most dealers agree to a refundable deposit due to most state laws. Here in IL unless you sign otherwise any deposit is refundable by law.

Check your states attorney generals website. That's where I found the info for IL.

Plus as stated if you back out the dealer had another jeep in stock to sell. Sold orders usually get built before stock orders.
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For those in Massachusetts I did a little digging for you the following
was posted at ....

CARSMART 2006 by Massachusetts Consumers' Coalition


Deposits in Dealer Sales
You may be asked to leave a deposit to hold a car, even before you have agreed on all the details or your financing has been approved.

You should be aware that the dealer may not be required to return your deposit if you decide to cancel the deal and if:
You and the dealer have signed the contract and;
The contract has a special section on the front page, clearly blocked-off, that states the circumstances under which your deposit will be kept and;
The specific dollar amount is filled in and;
You initial that clause, separately from your signature at the bottom of the contract.
Do not place a deposit on a car unless and until you are serious about buying the car.
Make your deposit as small as the dealer will accept in case you have to forfeit it.
The Buyer’s Right to Cancel
While there is no automatic cooling off period for canceling a motor vehicle purchase agreement, in some situations the buyer does have the right to cancel the contract and receive a full refund of any money paid:
When the contract has not yet been signed by an authorized dealer representative;
If the agreement was “contingent” on getting financing or on other terms that did not occur after reasonable attempts to fulfill them;
When the dealer attempts to deliver a car that does not conform to the contract;
If the dealer fails to deliver the car within the time period specified in the contract or, if no time was promised, within 8 weeks (unless the delay is caused by acts beyond the control of the dealer and manufacturer).
If you order a car and it arrives with options you do not want or without a promised feature, you can cancel the contract, or you can negotiate a new agreement, if you like. If repairs were promised on a used car before delivery and they are not made, you do not have to take the car.
Remember, once the car is registered in your name, it is much harder to cancel the contract and get your money back.

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Does anyone know if the Black/Dark Saddle restriction applies to cloth as well?

Also there was mention of Bright White ending early- is that true?
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Does anyone know if the Black/Dark Saddle restriction applies to cloth as well?

Also there was mention of Bright White ending early- is that true?
Go to post number 1415 of this thread and you will see in the COLOR PLAN
what colors are Carryovers .... White is one of them
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Here's the deal: It's not a deposit if you can get your money back... Period.
Rather minor point, but, a refundable deposit is still a "deposit."

For instance, the Cambridge Dictionary entry for deposit includes this:

" ... to pay someone a sum of money when you make an agreement with them to pay for or buy something, which either will be returned to you later, if the agreed arrangement is kept, or which forms part of the total payment"

Example: security deposit or cleaning deposit when renting.

....Or, a deposit when ordering a Jeep. Don't like the Jeep when it arrives? Get your deposit back. No legal obligation to buy unless the agreement expressly says the deposit is non-refundable and/or is forfeited if you don't buy.
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yup the dealer i am going to see on Friday with my Wife wants a $1000 deposit but I am doing just like DHdad did ... credit card ;-) ...
My dealer asked for $1000 deposit also and I said $500 or I find another dealer to order from. He took the $500 deposit.
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My dealer asked for $1000 deposit also and I said $500 or I find another dealer to order from. He took the $500 deposit.

Wow you guys really beat the deposit horse to death. Whew.

The deposit was an statement that I was serious about completing a transaction. It is a show of good faith. My dealer actually asked for more than $1000 at one point, and I said I would be willing to do that if they were willing to pay me interest on the funds, which is what I'm receiving on them today. At that point they were happy to take my $1000 deposit interest free. I probably could have negotiated down to $500 deposit if I wanted to, but that was not my goal.

It is important to me for my dealership to take me seriously, and work with me what will be a multi-month order process. I'm interested in forming a relationship, not simply a transaction we both try to quickly forget about.
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Still confused about white for 2013. Listed as a carryover color but scheduled for final production 7/20/12 while 2013 production start scheduled for 7/23/12. Not too clear to me but it's hard to imagine white not being available as a JK color.
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Still confused about white for 2013. Listed as a carryover color but scheduled for final production 7/20/12 while 2013 production start scheduled for 7/23/12. Not too clear to me but it's hard to imagine white not being available as a JK color.

This is what I'm confused about too..

Final production scheduled to end:
Bright White Clear Coat (PW7) - 07/20/12
Flame Red Clear Coat (PR4) - 07/13/12
Dozer Clear Coat (PY5) - 10/12/12
Crush Clear Coat (PL4) - 11/09/12
Gecko Green Pearl Coat (PFM) - 12/14/12
Deep Cherry Red Crystal Coat (PRP) - 02/08/13

If I want white do I need to order before 7-20?
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The point of my post was that deposits are negotiable, just as you pointed out in yours. My dealer knew I was serious when I placed my order as I told him I wanted a few options that took inside info to know about.

Forming a relationship is important with me also as my dealer is local and they have a great staff. In fact, he told me when I am ready he will let me go through his accessories catalogs and place an order for stuff at his cost once I decide what items I want to put on my Jeep as a way of saying thanks for staying local with my purchase.

Congrats on your purchase. I don't know about you but this damn anticipation is killing me.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:33 PM   #1454
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Rather minor point, but, a refundable deposit is still a "deposit."

For instance, the Cambridge Dictionary entry for deposit includes this:

" ... to pay someone a sum of money when you make an agreement with them to pay for or buy something, which either will be returned to you later, if the agreed arrangement is kept, or which forms part of the total payment"

Example: security deposit or cleaning deposit when renting.

....Or, a deposit when ordering a Jeep. Don't like the Jeep when it arrives? Get your deposit back. No legal obligation to buy unless the agreement expressly says the deposit is non-refundable and/or is forfeited if you don't buy.
This will be my last deposit post, I promise.

The Dictionary has it right, but you should have also bolded the phrase "if the agreed arrangement is kept." All deposits (including real "non-refundable" ones) are refundable if the arrangement isn't kept. But that's not what we're talking about. We're discussing deposits that are refunded even if the deal stays intact- even if the arrangements are kept.

Also, your deposit never burdens you with a legal obligation to buy, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

I read Pat's post, and I understand that deposits are required to be returned, but that still doesn't explain why dealerships ever ask for them in the first place.

So far the only thing I've read on here that makes any sense explaining the purpose of a refundable deposit was the post explaining that it is a mechanism to give the dealer one last shot at a sale. The "good faith" idea makes no sense to me at all, because the dealer gets no consideration from receiving a fully refundable deposit from a buyer.

Anyway, I'll stop talking about deposits now. Mine was non-refundable, which makes perfect sense to me, so I don't know why I ever cared about anyone else's refundable deposit!
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:35 PM   #1455
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This is what I'm confused about too..

Final production scheduled to end:
Bright White Clear Coat (PW7) - 07/20/12
Flame Red Clear Coat (PR4) - 07/13/12
Dozer Clear Coat (PY5) - 10/12/12
Crush Clear Coat (PL4) - 11/09/12
Gecko Green Pearl Coat (PFM) - 12/14/12
Deep Cherry Red Crystal Coat (PRP) - 02/08/13

If I want white do I need to order before 7-20?
The information you posted above is taken from my earlier post #1355 which is information from Donlen, a firm that's intertwined with fleet purchases such as Hertz. I only posted it to show the congruency with most of the information posted in this forum by Milous, Pat, and others. The information is supplied to Donlen (supposedly by Chrysler) and used by Donlen/Hertz in their decision making for ordering their cars.

The issue with Bright White ending production on 7/20/12 in the Donlen information is puzzling. Perhaps wrong information conveyed to Donlen/Hertz or Donlen/Hertz will not be getting any Bright White Wranglers for 2013 models. NOTE that Bright White will be supplanting Stone White on 2013 Grand Cherokees so possibly Chrysler wants all their Bright White Wranglers & GCs to go to regular customers and not for fleet supplies for rental agencies. Again my post was not information directly from Chrysler as is the information that Milous and Pat get. It was only meant as complimentary with a caveat to trust first the Milous & Pat connections that grace this forum.

Keep your eyes on Post #1 in this thread. Milous adds any changes or revisions to it as he gets them and shows the revision date in red. He shows no removal or delay of Bright White as a choice.

I agree with you that white of some sort will probably be available through out the 2013 model year and probably every year. Good luck with your purchase.
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I don't know about you but this damn anticipation is killing me.
I couldn't agree more. Going to be a long summer.
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I couldn't agree more. Going to be a long summer.
It's killing me. I feel like I'm being surrounded by Wranglers as I drive. I've kinda always wanted one - as I'm sure fits the bill for many of us on the forum. Knowing that I'm ready to get a brand new one now and if they had had one on the lot anywhere near here that fit the bill a couple of weeks ago I'd already be driving it. Ordering a 2013 was Ok when I thought 8-10 weeks but now to have to wait to get the color I wanted is driving me nuts. Early October for the start of Rock Lobster means I guess I won't have one till into November I'm guessing. Ugh.

Crush is looking really good if the saddle leather pops into the system soon.
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I couldn't agree more. Going to be a long summer.
LOL tell me about it- I just spent like 10 minutes staring at the new seats/rearview mirror, and then wondered what the heck I was doing with my time!
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It's killing me. I feel like I'm being surrounded by Wranglers as I drive. I've kinda always wanted one - as I'm sure fits the bill for many of us on the forum. Knowing that I'm ready to get a brand new one now and if they had had one on the lot anywhere near here that fit the bill a couple of weeks ago I'd already be driving it. Ordering a 2013 was Ok when I thought 8-10 weeks but now to have to wait to get the color I wanted is driving me nuts. Early October for the start of Rock Lobster means I guess I won't have one till into November I'm guessing. Ugh.

Crush is looking really good if the saddle leather pops into the system soon.
My advice, to be taken with a grain of salt, is to hold out for what you really want. You don't want to find yourself a year from now driving a crush that you only kind of wanted, and feeling a nagging emptiness inside your soul every time a rock lobster rolls by...
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My advice, to be taken with a grain of salt, is to hold out for what you really want. You don't want to find yourself a year from now driving a crush that you only kind of wanted, and feeling a nagging emptiness inside your soul every time a rock lobster rolls by...
I totally agree with you - I had ordered a bright white when I was told by the dealership that there was no flame red. Then I saw this thread and heard about Rock Lobster so I decided to wait. I know once I have it I'll be glad I waited... Really hard part - I'm getting all the updates about the white 2013 I ordered because the dealership decided to keep the order for their lot, So I'll know when it hits the lot...
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I totally agree with you - I had ordered a bright white when I was told by the dealership that there was no flame red. Then I saw this thread and heard about Rock Lobster so I decided to wait. I know once I have it I'll be glad I waited... Really hard part - I'm getting all the updates about the white 2013 I ordered because the dealership decided to keep the order for their lot, So I'll know when it hits the lot...
Think of it this way: At least when 2013s start to come in, you can go test drive them to get your "fix" while you wait for your one true lobster!
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This will be my last deposit post, I promise.

The Dictionary has it right, but you should have also bolded the phrase "if the agreed arrangement is kept." All deposits (including real "non-refundable" ones) are refundable if the arrangement isn't kept. But that's not what we're talking about. We're discussing deposits that are refunded even if the deal stays intact- even if the arrangements are kept.

Also, your deposit never burdens you with a legal obligation to buy, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

I read Pat's post, and I understand that deposits are required to be returned, but that still doesn't explain why dealerships ever ask for them in the first place.

So far the only thing I've read on here that makes any sense explaining the purpose of a refundable deposit was the post explaining that it is a mechanism to give the dealer one last shot at a sale. The "good faith" idea makes no sense to me at all, because the dealer gets no consideration from receiving a fully refundable deposit from a buyer.

Anyway, I'll stop talking about deposits now. Mine was non-refundable, which makes perfect sense to me, so I don't know why I ever cared about anyone else's refundable deposit!
I have to respond, sorry for hijacking. Once you leave a deposit, sign a purchase agreement then chances are you have committed mentally to buying the jeep and have taken what we call "mental ownership".
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I have to respond, sorry for hijacking. Once you leave a deposit, sign a purchase agreement then chances are you have committed mentally to buying the jeep and have taken what we call "mental ownership".
Which is Void's case is clearly overtaking much of his life
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They are on the other forum because a member from here posted them there. I had to remove them an have not been given the ok to repost. I think members should keep the info here so we can draw more vendors and maybe better deals from the vendors if they see this is the forum to be on. Just my opinion though.
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Hahahahaha!! I didn't have to leave a deposit! Hahahahaha! You guys are stressing TOO MUCH!!!!
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Which is Void's case is clearly overtaking much of his life
Yeah, I've overstayed my welcome here. Thanks to everyone who was helpful here. Maybe I'll give you guys a Jeep wave one day.
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Yeah, I've overstayed my welcome here. Thanks to everyone who was helpful here. Maybe I'll give you guys a Jeep wave one day.
I was teasing. We will miss you if you go...
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question. im thinking two tone interior have we seen the new seats at all? are the seats black again if you order cloth? im gonna get a bare bones rubi i think but not sure on interior yet.

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