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Old 06-21-2012, 10:47 AM   #1561
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Wanted to clarify a little, dealers are on month to month allocation. The factory can only build so many wranglers per month. When I looked yesterday all wranglers are on restriction until the next allocation period which is next month. Your dealer can still put your order in now. All it means is the factory has reached its max capacity. Your order will still be good, but you won't be one of the first 2013s built.
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Pat, it's been very interesting reading your comments throughout this thread. At this point, my feeling is that if you say something then it's accurate and honest (even if I might not understand it fully yet).

I know you've spoken before about this (trying in your own way to raise the bar of dealer interactions with customers) - but quite clearly some buyers are getting a very different impression from their local dealers. From "I don't want to waste my allocation on your order because you are on Affiliate Rewards" to "Rubicon is on restriction so you can't order it" to "You can't order 2013 yet" to "Nobody knows when you will be able to order 2013".

There must be some motivation for dealers to shy away from factory orders, but I can't quite understand it. I do understand that dealers will want to sell the 2012s they have on their lot and the longer a Jeep sits on the lot the more their floor plan costs rack up (hence, they will want to sell the oldest first, all other things being equal).

I am certain that I am in the minority of buyers - I started looking seriously at Wranglers last fall; I am sure most buyers of any kind of vehicle want to get it to play with as soon as possible after they have made the "yes, I'm going to buy" mental leap.

It seems to me that anyone willing to wait for a factory order will be a different kind of sale than someone wanting their vehicle 'now'. It just feels like factory order (with or without Affiliate Reward program) is all upside for the dealer. They get their deposit now, and that represents a good chunk of the profit they will eventually get from holdback, and for those with non-refundable deposits, the dealer has very little risk (if the buyer bails out, the dealer gets to keep the deposit AND still sell the vehicle). And how often will someone factory order a vehicle of any kind and then let it sit at the dealer for longer than the next weekend?

The more I think about it, the more it seems that factory order is similar to 'gift card' at a retail shop... some/all profit up front to the seller and expense/cost down the road -- and some (probably very small) percentage of transactions involve the buyer walking away leaving the money in the seller's hand.

Hmm - what does a dealer do with a vehicle that's ordered (so it has a particular person's name on the window sticker) and delivery is refused? Can they get a new window sticker from Chrysler or is it a huge pain in the neck?

Aside from that, I guess the other possible headache/cost would be the case where the buyer strings the dealer along about actually taking delivery of the Jeep after it is at the dealer.

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One more thing on allocation: I had a dealer last week tell me that Jeep only allows 20% of their wrangler inventory to be made into Rubicon's. I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it came from the mouth of the owner of the dealership. He said that same ratio is then held to the dealerships when ordering. So if he orders 200 wranglers in 2012 for example, he is only allowed to order 40 Rubicon's. If this is true, then perhaps that would explain why there are some dealerships mentioned on this board not being interested in ordering a new 2013 Rubicon to be sold at 1-2% below factory pricing. They would simply prefer to sell those 40 vehicles at a higher profit margin. Anybody have any idea on what the guy was telling me is correct or not?

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I wouldn't say that. It seems like first mod people do is swapping out the wheels, and it seems like 80% of the time they go with a black wheel of some sort. The 2013's are actually grey. The chrome look on Wranglers is starting to look dated.
The catch is, less than 10% of owners mod their Jeep... we as enthusiasts tend to forget that when we're on forums consisting of enthusiasts.
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So as far as mods go, what will not work from a 2012? Will all exterior mods such as bumpers, hood, armor line up correctly. Suspension and skids be the same?
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So as far as mods go, what will not work from a 2012? Will all exterior mods such as bumpers, hood, armor line up correctly. Suspension and skids be the same?
really the only thing that might not fit perfect is the custom fit seat covers and even then i bet its damn close.
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So as far as mods go, what will not work from a 2012? Will all exterior mods such as bumpers, hood, armor line up correctly. Suspension and skids be the same?
I am also interested in this.

Also, it seems like lots of aftermarket retailers have products that fit "07-11" or "up to 2011" or otherwise don't mention 2012. Do 2011 products fit 2012 (and, of course, 2013) wranglers? Was there a change other than the new motor between 2011 and 2012? Thanks
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So as far as mods go, what will not work from a 2012? Will all exterior mods such as bumpers, hood, armor line up correctly. Suspension and skids be the same?
Guessing...

(custom fit) Seat covers will not fit.

Hoods will need modding for dual washer nozzle set up or a Y merge tube of some sort.

Tinted Windows might not be interchangeable on earlier JKUs.

Premium top material/color might not match other accessories (tire covers, 2 pc. doors, etc.)
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the whole interior was redesigned in 11 other than that anything that fits an 11 should fit a 12 or 13. some little running changes make tops and interior trim pieces fit different.
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Wanted to clarify a little, dealers are on month to month allocation. The factory can only build so many wranglers per month. When I looked yesterday all wranglers are on restriction until the next allocation period which is next month. Your dealer can still put your order in now. All it means is the factory has reached its max capacity. Your order will still be good, but you won't be one of the first 2013s built.
Am I right in thinking all of the first allocation are in schedule status D at this point and an order placed today will remain in schedule status C until it is assigned a build allocation?

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One more thing on allocation: I had a dealer last week tell me that Jeep only allows 20% of their wrangler inventory to be made into Rubicon's. I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it came from the mouth of the owner of the dealership. He said that same ratio is then held to the dealerships when ordering. So if he orders 200 wranglers in 2012 for example, he is only allowed to order 40 Rubicon's. If this is true, then perhaps that would explain why there are some dealerships mentioned on this board not being interested in ordering a new 2013 Rubicon to be sold at 1-2% below factory pricing. They would simply prefer to sell those 40 vehicles at a higher profit margin. Anybody have any idea on what the guy was telling me is correct or not?
The dealer that would not take my order was specific about the Rubicon. They seem to try and keep one on the lot to use for dealer trades to get what the buyer wants. They were quite willing to do a dealer trade from nearly anywhere to get me a 2012.
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im down to true blue or dozer. any thoughts?
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What are these schedule letters, like schedule D? What do they mean? Anywhere I can find out? Sorry for all the Q's
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im down to true blue or dozer. any thoughts?
Of course the statement "it's your Jeep, your money, buy what you want" is my first thought. That being said, I would think it really depends on how much off roading you plan on doing. The darker colors are going to show scratches a lot more. Also the darker color will show dirt a lot more. I know its a Jeep, its meant to be dirty but some people enjoy having a clean looking vehicle. Another thing to think about is the fading. I have seen a lot of navy blue colored TJs that are pretty sunfaded. The detonator yellow ones from around the same time frame seam to look a lot better. This could just be how well they took care of their Jeeps though.

I am probably just trying to talk you into Dozer because I like the more off the wall colors myself That's just my opinion. Take it for what its worth lol.
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What are these schedule letters, like schedule D? What do they mean? Anywhere I can find out? Sorry for all the Q's
its in the 2012 order info thread milous posted what they all mean.
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Of course the statement "it's your Jeep, your money, buy what you want" is my first thought. That being said, I would think it really depends on how much off roading you plan on doing. The darker colors are going to show scratches a lot more. Also the darker color will show dirt a lot more. I know its a Jeep, its meant to be dirty but some people enjoy having a clean looking vehicle. Another thing to think about is the fading. I have seen a lot of navy blue colored TJs that are pretty sunfaded. The detonator yellow ones from around the same time frame seam to look a lot better. This could just be how well they took care of their Jeeps though.

I am probably just trying to talk you into Dozer because I like the more off the wall colors myself That's just my opinion. Take it for what its worth lol.
you make valid points and i think i agree with you. i think the wife would be less pissy if i get a yell... i mean dozer jeep
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The darker colors always look close to black on a Jeep. What's the point...? I'd go Dozer, hands down!
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Dozer.
Blue is very plain in comparison. Been done, not even a "new" blue.
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I have the Sahara Tan 2012 Rubi and it never looks dirty or scratched. I'd get a Dune or lighter color on a new one too.
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i wish i could get the tan.
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Dual Top and MX5 Premium Soft Top

I'm sure you are right Pat, but the dealer I'm trying to order from refused to guarantee that the dual-top I wanted for my Rubi order included the MX5 Premium Soft Top. Literally, that was the only thing we had left to agree on before my providing a deposit and finalizing the order. And he wouldn't do it!! Seems like a hungry salesman could get that nailed down, so I will be taking my business elsewhere.

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MX5 is an option unless you order dual top

When I try to build one it allows me to add MX5 and GCD, so until I get some answers back I would say you will need to order the GCD as well.

Uppers don't come tinted, no front windows come tinted

Not sure on the seats since we haven't seen a picture or a description
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I was in exactly the same situation on Saturday (and for week or so beforehand going back and forth, back and forth - because I felt I would be happy with either) - standing (in the dealer showroom while getting ready to order) between a 2012 JKR in Dozer and a Compass in True Blue. I know my family would have liked the True Blue better, but my wife kept saying "Which one do you really WANT to get?" - and I know in a second it was Dozer.

For me, True Blue would have been a color I would have been happy living with, but Dozer was the color I really wanted. I went with School Bus... er... Dozer!

My advice... look at both side by side in person and go with the one your gut calls for.
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its in the 2012 order info thread milous posted what they all mean.
I found this post: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ml#post1352533

But it doesnt say schedule status C anywhere... I guess it doesnt really matter becuase there's a lot of info there anyways
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Are Rubi's still the only Wrangler you can get 4:10 gears in? So if I get a Sahara, I can only get 3:73 max from factory?
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3.21 are standard on the autos and 3.73 is standard on the stick but an option on the auto.
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Unless it has changed from 2012 (and I don't think it has.

All non-Rubi's come with 3.21's standard (both auto and stick.

All non-Rubi's can be equipped with 3.73's (both auto and stick).

All manual Rubi's come with 4.10's

All auto Rubi's come with 3.73's, but can be equipped with 4.10's.


Oddly enough, on TrueCar today, it had 3.73's standard on a 2013 auto Sport S JKU. That was odd.
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If you've got a JK on order and want to know what the status of it is, here's what you need to do.

If you have a VIN or a VON off your order sheet (which you wouldn't unless your order was in "D" status), you can call 1-800-992-1997. Follow the prompts, stay on the line for an operator, and they can look it up for you.

Below is a complete list of Chrysler status codes that should help you figure out what it means:

ORDER STATUS CODES

BB - review by fleet department
BD - special equipment processing
BE - edit error
BG - passed edit n/a for schedule
BGL - edit ok parts unavailable
BX - passed edit available for schedule
C - sub firm
D - firm schedule - dealer has allocation and all parts available
D - 1 gateline schedule - scheduled to be built
E - frame
F - paint
G - trim
I - built not ok'd
J - built ok'd
JB - shipped to body vendor
JE - emission check
JS - shipped to storage
KZ - released by plant , invoiced
KZL - released - not shipped
KZM - first rail departure
KZN - first rail arrival
KZO - delayed/recieved
KZOA - plant holds
KZOB - zone/distribution holds
KZOC - carrier delays
KZOD - carrier holds
KZOE - mis-shipped vehicle
KZOF - show/test vehicle
KZOG - damaged vehicle
KZOH - all other reasons
KZT - second rail departure
KZU - second rail arrival
KZX - delivered to dealer
ZA - canceled

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I love True Blue. You can look at both on a lot. true Blue is on the 2012 grand Cherokee, and I think the liberty. Go by on a Sunday when no one can bother you and take a look. If you're lucky, they will both be on the lot and you can see what tickles your pickle.
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If you've got a JK on order and want to know what the status of it is, here's what you need to do.

If you have a VIN or a VON off your order sheet (which you wouldn't unless your order was in "D" status), you can call 1-800-992-1997. Follow the prompts, stay on the line for an operator, and they can look it up for you.

Below is a complete list of Chrysler status codes that should help you figure out what it means:

ORDER STATUS CODES

BB - review by fleet department
BD - special equipment processing
BE - edit error
BG - passed edit n/a for schedule
BGL - edit ok parts unavailable
BX - passed edit available for schedule
C - sub firm
D - firm schedule - dealer has allocation and all parts available
D - 1 gateline schedule - scheduled to be built
E - frame
F - paint
G - trim
I - built not ok'd
J - built ok'd
JB - shipped to body vendor
JE - emission check
JS - shipped to storage
KZ - released by plant , invoiced
KZL - released - not shipped
KZM - first rail departure
KZN - first rail arrival
KZO - delayed/recieved
KZOA - plant holds
KZOB - zone/distribution holds
KZOC - carrier delays
KZOD - carrier holds
KZOE - mis-shipped vehicle
KZOF - show/test vehicle
KZOG - damaged vehicle
KZOH - all other reasons
KZT - second rail departure
KZU - second rail arrival
KZX - delivered to dealer
ZA - canceled

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Cool- thanks. One other question do these codes show up somewhere on VOTS or something? I assume if you call they just tell you the status right? So where is it that you read these codes?
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Another vote here for Dozer over True Blue. Dozer (and I also like Crush) are unusual colors. Personally, I am fond of the unusual colors.
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Any word on if the half-door interior panels will be updated to match the rest of the '13 interior?
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Pat, it's been very interesting reading your comments throughout this thread. At this point, my feeling is that if you say something then it's accurate and honest (even if I might not understand it fully yet).

I know you've spoken before about this (trying in your own way to raise the bar of dealer interactions with customers) - but quite clearly some buyers are getting a very different impression from their local dealers. From "I don't want to waste my allocation on your order because you are on Affiliate Rewards" to "Rubicon is on restriction so you can't order it" to "You can't order 2013 yet" to "Nobody knows when you will be able to order 2013".

There must be some motivation for dealers to shy away from factory orders, but I can't quite understand it. I do understand that dealers will want to sell the 2012s they have on their lot and the longer a Jeep sits on the lot the more their floor plan costs rack up (hence, they will want to sell the oldest first, all other things being equal).

I am certain that I am in the minority of buyers - I started looking seriously at Wranglers last fall; I am sure most buyers of any kind of vehicle want to get it to play with as soon as possible after they have made the "yes, I'm going to buy" mental leap.

It seems to me that anyone willing to wait for a factory order will be a different kind of sale than someone wanting their vehicle 'now'. It just feels like factory order (with or without Affiliate Reward program) is all upside for the dealer. They get their deposit now, and that represents a good chunk of the profit they will eventually get from holdback, and for those with non-refundable deposits, the dealer has very little risk (if the buyer bails out, the dealer gets to keep the deposit AND still sell the vehicle). And how often will someone factory order a vehicle of any kind and then let it sit at the dealer for longer than the next weekend?

The more I think about it, the more it seems that factory order is similar to 'gift card' at a retail shop... some/all profit up front to the seller and expense/cost down the road -- and some (probably very small) percentage of transactions involve the buyer walking away leaving the money in the seller's hand.

Hmm - what does a dealer do with a vehicle that's ordered (so it has a particular person's name on the window sticker) and delivery is refused? Can they get a new window sticker from Chrysler or is it a huge pain in the neck?

Aside from that, I guess the other possible headache/cost would be the case where the buyer strings the dealer along about actually taking delivery of the Jeep after it is at the dealer.
I went over this a little in a previous post. Here's the reasons why people don't get the right info from the dealers:

1. The salesperson has no access to the info in our system(dealer connect). Usually because management and the owner don't trust them with the info and don't want the salesperson talking about 2013s when they still have 2012s to sell. Not all dealerships are this way just the old school ones.
2. Salesperson is selling vehicles hoping to make some quick money and has no passion for the product.
3. Part of it is a game, they want to leave an open door to see if they can push you into a 12 and sell something now.
4. Some salespeople have no training and skip steps, they miss the whole qualify step.

We as salespeople are trained to sell now. Factory orders are never a for sure sale until the customer drives it home. For dealers and for salespeople that understand, its a no brainer to factory order a jeep. Sure there are some dealers that don't have a large allocation and want to maximize their profit and that's why in other posts and threads I advise members to find a volume dealer.

I guess my point is you have to find a dealer that's knowledgeable and wants your business whether it's now or 3 months from now. It's also wise to try to find a salesperson or manager that is passionate about their job. We have all ran into someone who lacks the passion and the enthusiasm in their given field. They do it because it's a paycheck and the only thing they know. The car business isn't any different.

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