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Old 09-05-2012, 09:30 AM   #1
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2014 Transmission

Interesting news that I came across today. From the article:

"Wrangler: The Wrangler isn't scheduled for a redesign until 2017, though it is scheduled to get a heavy-duty eight-speed transmission, likely in 2014."

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Old 09-05-2012, 10:00 AM   #2
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Old 09-05-2012, 10:19 AM   #3
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Wranglers with the 3-speed auto 15 years ago got the same mileage as Wranglers with the 5-speed auto now. So why is an 8-speed going to help anything?

More gears in an auto means more hunting around for a gear and more frustration on the driver's part.
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Eight speed manual?
Please...no.
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Wranglers with the 3-speed auto 15 years ago got the same mileage as Wranglers with the 5-speed auto now. So why is an 8-speed going to help anything?

More gears in an auto means more hunting around for a gear and more frustration on the driver's part.
The problem is that even with improved engine and transmission technology, Jeeps are getting bigger and heavier. The old TJ was way lighter than a JK, not to mention the JKU which is even heavier. I think the 8 speed auto will make it in for 2014. Fiat will want to get away from using a Benz transmission like the current 5 speed. The Pentastar is already mated with the 8 speed in other vehicles so it wont be much of an engineering change to put it in the Wrangler.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:12 AM   #6
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An 8-speed :sad: My sisters car has one and it is constantly hunting for gears. And no redesign until 2017, interesting. For some reason I thought it would be around 2015, guess not. Thanks for posting CharacterZero!
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I'd gladly put the 8 speed in mine.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:22 PM   #8
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New transmission year = year I don't want to buy a Jeep.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:27 PM   #9
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Chrysler's 8 speed auto will be their best transmission BY FAR. Good move Chrysler.

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Old 09-05-2012, 12:29 PM   #10
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An 8-speed :sad: My sisters car has one and it is constantly hunting for gears. And no redesign until 2017, interesting. For some reason I thought it would be around 2015, guess not. Thanks for posting CharacterZero!
Something is wrong with your sister's transmission. It shouldn't be doing that.And there are many 8 speeds on the road that are smooth as silk. An 8 speed auto will make the Wrangler a better Jeep. IMHO.

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Old 09-05-2012, 12:36 PM   #11
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There is a 16-speed tranny coming in 2016.
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The magazines that have tested the 8-speed report what we already know...it hunts for gears constantly.

Just a bad idea... should have left the 4 speeds with OD alone, or go to CVT and get away from gears altogether.
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2017 Redesign makes complete sence....

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Seems like they are keeping the 10 year complete redesign schedule....
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, or go to CVT and get away from gears altogether.


I despise CVT transmissions. I get to drive a wide varity of them since my wife drives home company cars. I've sampled all the major manufacturers' attempts at it, and I hate the experience.

I know it's a paradigm shift in the industry, and it takes an adjustment. But I'm not a fan. This is just another one of those areas where people have their opinions, and they'll vary a lot, but I'd like to burn the car after about 10.5 seconds into the experience.
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IIRC Chrysler started using the ZF 8 spd auto in the 2011 300, it will eventually replace the 5 spd Mercedes in most vehicles. Other auto makers have been using 7+ spd autos for yrs. There is a ZF 9 spd suto coming for the FWD platforms.
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There is a 16-speed tranny coming in 2016.
Id take an Eaten Fuller 10 or 13
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I despise CVT transmissions. I get to drive a wide varity of them since my wife drives home company cars. I've sampled all the major manufacturers' attempts at it, and I hate the experience.

I know it's a paradigm shift in the industry, and it takes an adjustment. But I'm not a fan. This is just another one of those areas where people have their opinions, and they'll vary a lot, but I'd like to burn the car after about 10.5 seconds into the experience.
^^^ My company car has a CVT, and I've driven other vehicles with CVT and I agree, I hate em.

I think a '13 is in order, now that I know the 5 Spd auto has stood the test of time, and the 8 spd auto is still in its nascent stages of design/development/installment/usage.

Edit: Kramer: I just now noticed your avatar after I posted my reply... Great cars and I love Jake. I have him on both of my C6s.

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The magazines that have tested the 8-speed report what we already know...it hunts for gears constantly.

Just a bad idea... should have left the 4 speeds with OD alone, or go to CVT and get away from gears altogether.
What magazines are you reading? All the articles i've read on it have been positive and say the shifting is almost unnoticable.
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Edit: Kramer: I just now noticed your avatar after I posted my reply... Great cars and I love Jake. I have him on both of my C6s.

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What magazines are you reading? All the articles i've read on it have been positive and say the shifting is almost unnoticable.
+1

ZF 8-speed transmission has good reputation here in Europe, I hope for this transmission ...
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Wranglers with the 3-speed auto 15 years ago got the same mileage as Wranglers with the 5-speed auto now. So why is an 8-speed going to help anything?

More gears in an auto means more hunting around for a gear and more frustration on the driver's part.
This is not necessarily true. If the gears are spaced properly apart, there is no hunting. I have 50,000 miles on a 7 speed automatic in an Infiniti and there is no hunting around for the right gear. Also, fuel economy from 15 years ago can't be compared to the current JK and say it's becuase of the transmission. Weight, motor, gearing, drive, drag, etc all play parts. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the 8 speed will be the best thing, but it could be. Time will tell, not speculation.
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First character: T comes before Y, and J comes before T.
Second character: J followed J, so makes sense that K follows K.

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We saw them go with WK to WK2. Seeing them go with JK2 wouldn't shock me, but only time will tell I guess
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ZF 9-Speed Automatic Transmission for Chrysler cars: 9HP

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IIRC Chrysler started using the ZF 8 spd auto in the 2011 300, it will eventually replace the 5 spd Mercedes in most vehicles. Other auto makers have been using 7+ spd autos for yrs. There is a ZF 9 spd suto coming for the FWD platforms.
ZF released the world’s first nine-speed automatic transmission for passenger cars in June 2011, months after Sergio Marchionne said Chrysler and Dodge would use them.
The modular transmissions are stop-start, hybrid, and all-wheel-drive capable, and have a surprisingly wide spread of 9.84. This allows lower first gears and higher overdrives at the same time, boosting launch performance without highway-mileage penalties. Using nine speeds allows for normal gear steps between those extremes, so engines can run in their optimal speed ranges.
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The magazines that have tested the 8-speed report what we already know...it hunts for gears constantly.

Just a bad idea... should have left the 4 speeds with OD alone, or go to CVT and get away from gears altogether.

So These High End Vehicles are problems?

The nine speed appears similar to the recently launched 8HP, currently used by BMW, Audi, Bentley, and Rolls-Royce, and set to be used in the 2012 LX cars. Production is expected to start in mid-to-late (calendar year) 2012 at Indiana Transmission Plant I off U.S. 31 in Kokomo — after eight speed production starts.
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Transmission tech as an alternative to engine tech
(by Jennifer Harrington) While most automakers are using gasoline-electric hybrids, electric vehicles, and direct injection to hit their gas-mileage targets, Chrysler is leaning on transmissions and better gasoline engines. Chrysler has spent $1.3 billion since 2007 to gain efficiency from its gas engines, rather than investing money in alternative fuels.
The additional gears in the new transmissions give more opportunities to hit the most efficient engine speeds, and increase the total gear range so cars will be more responsive from launch, yet engines can run more slowly at highway speeds. The transmissions also have lower parasitic losses and shift more quickly than conventional automatics.
Chrysler started using eight-speed transmissions with the 2011 Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger, both cars had a 15% increase in highway gas mileage, boosting gas mileage from 27 mpg to 31 mpg (highway). The 9-speed transmissions to be used in the minivans should increase gas mileage by up to 16%.
Both the eight speed transmissions (for rear drive cars) and nine speed (for front drive) are expected to greatly increase acceleration, as they did in the Charger and 300, for a win-win solution.
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Just as the CVT is designed to keep the engine rpm in the “sweet spot,” so is the computer-controlled 8-speed, without the downsides (in the minds of consumers) of the CVT. The more gears you have, to a point, the easier it is to keep the rpms constantly within that range.
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Wranglers with the 3-speed auto 15 years ago got the same mileage as Wranglers with the 5-speed auto now. So why is an 8-speed going to help anything?

More gears in an auto means more hunting around for a gear and more frustration on the driver's part.
Present Wranglers are Not even close to the old BAD Gas Mileage, Hwy for 1995 Models was Below present City mpg...lol
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Don't know where you got that, but it's way wrong. My YJ got 19 MPGs sitting on oversized mud tires. And the Cherokees would do 20 easily. Everybody knows that.

I hate CVTs too.. but I'm telling you guys right now the 8-speed won't do crap for mileage. Wait and see. I guarantee it. All they do is hunt around for a gear constantly. Read the reviews online of it in the Charger. Very few positive things written about it.
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Absolutely no thank you to the CVT.

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