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Old 11-20-2013, 04:00 AM   #91
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I would just get a Rubicon. At least you get more than stickers.

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i like it like this...

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Old 11-20-2013, 01:17 PM   #93
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It seems to me like they had a lot of half doors sitting around and tried to find a way to get rid of them. Other than that is a few stickers and a tow strap.
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It seems to me like they had a lot of half doors sitting around and tried to find a way to get rid of them. Other than that is a few stickers and a tow strap.
Don't think it automatically comes with half doors, but just like all Jeep marketing, that is what they show
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Half doors use the old interior styling. It's quite possible Jeep is planning to upgrade the interior style to the current version and needs to get rid of stock.

Just guessing.
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Maybe it's just be being confused as usual. But some people are calling this a $5k option package while everything I read says it's a special edition at $25,995. (which is less than the sport + $5k). Articles say it's based on the Sport, while some say Sport S with TPMS system. Nothing says if it has AC or not.

I like this thing, looks very cool, is a great price point for what's added (wheels/tires, LSD, gearing) and the decals aren't over the top like the Polar edition - to me those are ridiculous. But hopefully we'll get more info pretty soon as to what's really included in this thing. You'd think at the launch in LA there would be more details instead of questions.

Anyway, my take (as an outsider) is that for someone who wants a Jeep, with 3:73 and LSD and doesn't want to modify a new vehicle off the lot, this is a great deal - less than the Sport S with those options. And you can't even get LSD on the base Sport.
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What a horrible package...

Basically....everyone that owns a Sport and a can of plasti-dip has a Willy's.

Jeep is getting really lame with their special editions.

So this is just a Sport with 3.73's, Trac-Lok, the Connectivity package, a blacked out grill, black Rubi wheels, Rubi shocks, and Rubi Rock rails?

Hopefully there is something cool and unique about it....like maybe a tan (spice) soft top or something.
Almost every special editon has been based off the Sport and they have all been highly successful. Most were tires/wheels, shocks and stickers.
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Why the heck is everyone making comparisons to a Rubicon? It is not meant to compete with a Rubicon and not everyone who buys a Wrangler thinks the Rubicon is the be all end all of Wranglers.

People will see this on the lot and buy it because it's different. The same reason people bought Islanders and Mountains. Most of them will have no idea what a "Willeys" is. However, each and every one of them will sell off the lot in days.
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That doesn't mean we can't hope for Jeep to come out with something that is actually unique and original. Someone mentioned that these special editions are meant to lure buyers in, who want something different. I think that is correct. Most current Jeep owners (at least the kind that post on forums) would not be excited about this "special edition" but some new person off the street may think its cool. Even the wording in the articles I've seen make it sound like it has a lot of cool features. Only if you know about Wranglers will you realize that a Dana 44 and Command Trac 4x4 etc etc is all standard stuff.
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Daggo - excellent points, I don't get the constant comparison to the Rubi either, especially when most Rubi's only see off road when the soccer-mom driver runs over a curb. Many people like Jeeps, for different reasons. Not all are looking for rock-crawlers. Some want a fun vehicle that can be a blast to drive year round (especially in snow country) and we don't want to drop $35k+ on a Rubi that's more crawler than we'll ever need or want. Infact, I'd dare say that for winter commuting and 'round town driving, the simple LSD will me much preferred over the Rubi's system.

I think these packages give a great value, bundled parts to make up what many buyers want. If people want a dedicated off-roader, they're not buying a factory loaded Jeep - they'll build their own, as they want it for their style - that's awesome!

Espo - I guess I'm confused as to how unique you want. It's a Jeep, only so much they can do and keep it NHTSA legal - and keep it a Jeep. I think some of what they do is goofy with the decals, but some things make sense to me - this one does.
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Hey if you like it then go out and buy one. I'm sure they will sell well. As previously mentioned Jeep knows how to market their products well. I would just prefer a bit more substance and a bit less fluff when it comes to marketing a "special edition" vehicle. There's nothing on this "Willys" that you can't source on craigslist or from the parts counter. At least other special editions have included some sort of unique interior feature that can't be duplicated. For me though its about more than that. If you want to make a Jeep that harkens back to the original "no frills" Willys it shouldn't have any of the convenience options and only the substantial stuff. Give me a Jeep with no options except A/C, add a rear locker and LSD, steel wheels (not the current 16" steel wheels either) Rubicon shocks and Rubicon rock rails, and then, the kicker...price it LESS than or the same as a Sport with all the convenience options. That's what people want.

I love my 2007 JK for just that reason. It's simple. No options, not even a trip computer or center console. I wish it had the rear locker option you could get back in 07 though. I guess most buyers now wouldn't enjoy a Jeep like mine. I sure do though.
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Old 11-20-2013, 04:29 PM   #102
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Give me a Jeep with no options except A/C, add a rear locker and LSD, steel wheels (not the current 16" steel wheels either) Rubicon shocks and Rubicon rock rails, and then, the kicker...price it LESS than or the same as a Sport with all the convenience options. That's what people want.
Oh yeah, that would go over real well in the board room.
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I may just go and buy one in the spring, it ticks off the boxes I'm looking for.

I'm just confused why people are bashing it. It hits nearly all of your list -
Base Sport + Rubi suspension, + Rubi Rails + LSD. Ok, the wheels aren't steel and there's no locker (but that's probably not going happen from the factory) and it's not excessively priced. Yea, we'd all like a company produced a special edition with more for less money than a basic item, but that doesn't happen in the real world. All we ask for is it to be reasonably priced. And this kind of is. So why are people bashing it?

And yea, the parts can be purchased from craigslist or the parts counter, but those don't come from factory with warranty. (thinking the LSD here). there's something to not cobbling a vehicle together after the fact if it's your primary vehicle.
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I guess when I look at the picture of the Willys, I see a sport model with the black wheel and tire package, and a number of options you can already get. Rubi rails and shocks aren't a big deal, I have Rubi suspension on my Jeep, new takeoffs for $100. It should have something more. Perhaps a wheel option you can't get on any other model. The old Willys edition had a dark green soft top and camo seats. Maybe give it the option of 4.10 gears (can't get that on a sport). You're right about the price I guess. It is pretty reasonable, compared to other new Jeeps. It's crazy how much the price has climbed on them in the past few years.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:11 PM   #105
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Don't think it automatically comes with half doors, but just like all Jeep marketing, that is what they show
I thought the half doors were part of the package. Otherwise is mostly stickers and a tow strap in a bag that says "Willy's." The Rubicon tires are already available. And I'm pretty sure the rails are also available. I don't see what the excitement is about.
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Not sure what everyone is upset about. No one is forcing anyone to buy this vehicle. I personally think its nice. Can't expect Jeep to do too much different with a vehicle (bumpers, rims, fenders etc) while keeping the price point low. I don't know much about mass producing vehicles but one thing I do know is any changes made to the production of a vehicle (that won't be changed for every model) cost time and money on the assembly line. For the price I like the vehicle and the looks of it.
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Almost every special editon has been based off the Sport and they have all been highly successful. Most were tires/wheels, shocks and stickers.
5 have been based on the Sport:
Mountain
Islander
Mojave
Freedom
Willy's

6 have been based on the Sahara:
70th Anv
Arctic
Altitude
Moab
Polar
Dragon

2 (3 if you count the Rubi X) have been based on the Rubicon:
COD
10A
X


And while I agree that most special editions are just wheels and stickers.....none of them were named after a "throwback" to the original Jeep. Compared to the work put in for the Dragon Edition (which I'm not fond of), the Willy's Edition is a joke. I think if the package would have had a different name (like nightstalker since everything is black), there would have been a lot less disappointment.....but for Willy's....I expected more.
I would love a spice/tan soft top.
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2 different COD editions.
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2 different COD editions.
Both CODs were Rubicon based.

They were the 2011 Call of Duty: Black Ops



and the 2012 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3.
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And yes, I'm very disappointed. With the exception of 3 stickers, it has nothing to do with Willy's...it is basically the black wheel package and a few pre-selected options.
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True just preselected. But it does highlight the most basic Sport with some basic 4x4 highlights. It's as basic as it can get. Any Willys CJ was as basic as it gets.

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If Jeep wanted to make it a bit more special...they should have raided the Mopar parts catalog for tube bumpers, and 5 hole wheels....painted white.
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Neither meet production standards. Look at the back spacing of the Savegre It pushes the tire center out past the center of the knuckle.
I know you were probably making a point but still I don't see how those wheels would be any more true. At least this one is fully painted like old wheels.
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Why the heck is everyone making comparisons to a Rubicon?
Um, because the OP started the thread off with this line?

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Was going to buy a Rubi but, waiting to see what this is going to look like.
Still stand by my comment, OP. Buy the Rubicon.

But get the 4.10 gears (which Jeep is now charging extra for, WTF?) for the 35's you know you want to put on it.
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Maybe it's just be being confused as usual. But some people are calling this a $5k option package while everything I read says it's a special edition at $25,995. (which is less than the sport + $5k). Articles say it's based on the Sport, while some say Sport S with TPMS system. Nothing says if it has AC or not.

I like this thing, looks very cool, is a great price point for what's added (wheels/tires, LSD, gearing) and the decals aren't over the top like the Polar edition - to me those are ridiculous. But hopefully we'll get more info pretty soon as to what's really included in this thing. You'd think at the launch in LA there would be more details instead of questions.

Anyway, my take (as an outsider) is that for someone who wants a Jeep, with 3:73 and LSD and doesn't want to modify a new vehicle off the lot, this is a great deal - less than the Sport S with those options. And you can't even get LSD on the base Sport.
Its the lack of info that confuses people. The package actually comes in 2 formats! The web site price is based on a sport 23B or 23C and is the lesser of the 2 willy's packages (ie, manual trans, No sport S options, etc).

The other willy package for 5K (actually $4965) includes an upgrade to auto trans, Sirius, and mopar slush mats.

If you not interested in the power (S) options and looking for a basic jeep, then its not really a bad deal (although you are paying alot for the wheels and tires). However, if you want the power (s) options, then a freedom actually is cheaper and you get leather as well!
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On a 2 door base model it appears to be around $3000.

$3000 for wheels/tires/3.73/lsd is ridiculous.
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Ah....the classic Jeep roll-out of information. Leave more questions than answers.

Is it a model (with a base price)...or is it an add on package (with a package price)? That is really important information that isn't clear at all.

If it is both...what is included...and for how much?

There are some pretty distinct differences between the options and features (and priceing) of a base Sport vs a Sport S.

You can't get LSD on a 2 door base Sport....so in that regards, the package is nice (if it is based on a base Sport). But if it is indeed based on a base Sport....than that means that you can't get it with the power package (in both the 2 door and 4 door)...which could really limit it's market. But since they talk about the power package, one could assume it is based on the Sport S.....and if that is the case...the pricing is really, really high.

The black wheel package (black Rubi rims, KM's, and Rubi shocks) was $2200 for the base Sport, and $1700 for the Sport S. It looks like Jeep credited $500 for the difference between the Sport and Sport S wheels. Are they doing the same here?
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I for one just don't care for the 'black on black on black' stuff passing as 'part of a package'.

The cosmetics of any combination appeal to some while others flee from it.

Actual drive train features rather than trendy electronics are more appealing to folks like me as well.

That Wrangler lends itself so well to the 'transformer' lurking withing all of us continues to appeal to a certain repeat purchaser market.

Even those individual Jeeps that simply do not appeal to me, are of more general interest such that the other marques don't rate a 2nd look.
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Ah....the classic Jeep roll-out of information. Leave more questions than answers.

Is it a model (with a base price)...or is it an add on package (with a package price)? That is really important information that isn't clear at all.

If it is both...what is included...and for how much?

There are some pretty distinct differences between the options and features (and priceing) of a base Sport vs a Sport S.

You can't get LSD on a 2 door base Sport....so in that regards, the package is nice (if it is based on a base Sport). But if it is indeed based on a base Sport....than that means that you can't get it with the power package (in both the 2 door and 4 door)...which could really limit it's market. But since they talk about the power package, one could assume it is based on the Sport S.....and if that is the case...the pricing is really, really high.

The black wheel package (black Rubi rims, KM's, and Rubi shocks) was $2200 for the base Sport, and $1700 for the Sport S. It looks like Jeep credited $500 for the difference between the Sport and Sport S wheels. Are they doing the same here?
Its 2 different Add-on packages, either can be applied to the non sport or sport, 2 door or 4 door. 23K and 24K (If I recall - but I may have this wrong?) 23K is man trans - mopar slush mats and Sirius. 24K include auto, slush mats, and Sirius. 23K is around $3400, 24K is around $5000.

The website price ppl are seeing reflects a Sport (Non S) and the 23K package.

I guess what makes it kinda ok? Is Hydro Blue is unlocked for it and it comes with the rubi shocks???????

AT this rate Chrysler mite as well let people just start to build their own jeep options lol. Make lockers and option, Rubi X hoods, Rock rails, Rubi shocks, and a mix of tires and wheels, etc etc. Charge a fee for customizing and they could make a ton of cash :P
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has anyone seen a photo of the '4 wheel drive' sticker on the Willys Wheeler - JEEP seems to have forgotten to put one into their press kit
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The black wheel package (black Rubi rims, KM's, and Rubi shocks) was $2200 for the base Sport, and $1700 for the Sport S. It looks like Jeep credited $500 for the difference between the Sport and Sport S wheels. Are they doing the same here?
That option has been dropped. At least it was when I ordered our 14 in Septemebr.
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has anyone seen a photo of the '4 wheel drive' sticker on the Willys Wheeler - JEEP seems to have forgotten to put one into their press kit
you can barely make it out on the right side of the spare. barely

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has anyone seen a photo of the '4 wheel drive' sticker on the Willys Wheeler - JEEP seems to have forgotten to put one into their press kit
Possibly the coolest thing about the package....

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