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Old 06-18-2013, 09:51 AM   #991
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However the way TCS works basically acts as an electronic LSD. I'm not really sure why they still offer LSD.
Because the mechanical LDS is still better and more dependable than the TCS/BLD. TCS steals power and momentum, LDS does not and continues to lay down the power in situations such as going up a muddy or icy hill.

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Thanks! I've read up on BLD [?] vs. LSD and from what I've gathered LSD works better. Although that can be a hot topic. I can live with it if I can't get LSD in a Rubicon.
You have the lockers in the Rubicon, it is just too bad the lawyers won't let you engage them in 4Hi without mods.

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Because the mechanical LDS is still better and more dependable than the TCS/BLD. TCS steals power and momentum, LDS does not and continues to lay down the power in situations such as going up a muddy or icy hill.
^Exactly...

Saying TCS = LSD would be like saying BLD = a locker.
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I just went thru Pat's info on first post. I have read all the posts on this and it is getting to be too much to take in. Can anyone tell me is the connectivity package standard on the Rubi Unl. or did I just miss it somewhere? Thanks
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Because the mechanical LDS is still better and more dependable than the TCS/BLD. TCS steals power and momentum, LDS does not and continues to lay down the power in situations such as going up a muddy or icy hill.
That's my thinking, LSD is mechanical, and more reliable. I like it in the snow a lot.
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I tried today, and Im having the same issue, has anyone been able to get the 430N added successfully on the JKUR
Just talked to my guy. Going in tmrw night to order but he JUST checked and the 430N is blanked out when bldg a JKUR. I would prefer the 430N but will take the 730. I was more concerned with the 4.10s glitch.
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Because the mechanical LDS is still better and more dependable than the TCS/BLD. TCS steals power and momentum, LDS does not and continues to lay down the power in situations such as going up a muddy or icy hill.
One could say LSD steals power and momentum since you're reducing power to one wheel and sending it to the other. BLD does something similar by using the brake to slow down the wheel that has too much power so that both axles spin at a similar speed. Added bonus is that changing brake pads is much easier and cheaper than the clutch packs in the diff although they'll probably wear out quicker if you use it a lot.
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I just went thru Pat's info on first post. I have read all the posts on this and it is getting to be too much to take in. Can anyone tell me is the connectivity package standard on the Rubi Unl. or did I just miss it somewhere? Thanks
Not to my knowledge. I have a prelim build up my guy sent me and the AAJ CONN Group is listed as a $495(441) option.
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^Exactly...

Saying TCS = LSD would be like saying BLD = a locker.
I'm more implying BLD = LSD (BLD is a function of TCS). Nothing in TCS = a locker since TCS is all wheel spin dependent.
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One could say LSD steals power and momentum since you're reducing power to one wheel and sending it to the other. BLD does something similar by using the brake to slow down the wheel that has too much power so that both axles spin at a similar speed. Added bonus is that changing brake pads is much easier and cheaper than the clutch packs in the diff although they'll probably wear out quicker if you use it a lot.
LSD is splitting the power, BLD is stealing the power from one wheel, but not sharing it. BLD will slow your up hill progress, LSD will not. Brake pad wear/clutch pack wear if of no concern to me when I am trying to get up the hill to get home.

TCS is sort of like the LDS, except it steal power to do its thing. BLD is sort of like a locker in that it gets the wheel that is losing traction to stop a bit to give it to the one that might have traction, but it ony works for that instant of getting unstuck, it is not going to be providing much of anything to get up the icy hill.
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LSD is splitting the power, BLD is stealing the power from one wheel, but not sharing it. BLD will slow your up hill progress, LSD will not. Brake pad wear/clutch pack wear if of no concern to me when I am trying to get up the hill to get home.

TCS is sort of like the LDS, except it steal power to do its thing. BLD is sort of like a locker in that it gets the wheel that is losing traction to stop a bit to give it to the one that might have traction, but it ony works for that instant of getting unstuck, it is not going to be providing much of anything to get up the icy hill.
Probably just semantics but stealing power from a spinning wheel by using the brake to slow it down so that power may be shared between the axles and using a clutch pack to steal power from the spinning wheel to send it to both axles sound like the same thing. In the end the idea is to get the axles to spin at the same rate equally. During wheel spin, too much power is the problem.
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Ive read numerous things that the LSD system from the factory is really only suited for on road situations rather then off road...Im saving my money and will just do some ARB lockers!
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Probably just semantics but stealing power from a spinning wheel by using the brake to slow it down so that power may be shared between the axles and using a clutch pack to steal power from the spinning wheel to send it to both axles sound like the same thing. In the end the idea is to get the axles to spin at the same rate equally. During wheel spin, too much power is the problem.
The goal is to get power to the wheel with traction. In practical applications, I have enjoyed the use of mechanical LSDs much more than Traction Control Systems. The only "brake" system that I have enjoyed for traction devices is the Torsen Axles on Humvees, but they are mechanical, not electronic.
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Ive read numerous things that the LSD system from the factory is really only suited for on road situations rather then off road...Im saving my money and will just do some ARB lockers!
It is not a locker, but it helps a lot in mud/snow/ice, it does have advantages off road.
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I just went thru Pat's info on first post. I have read all the posts on this and it is getting to be too much to take in. Can anyone tell me is the connectivity package standard on the Rubi Unl. or did I just miss it somewhere? Thanks
Connectivity Package is NOT standard on the Rubicon. Read the Standard Equipment PDF.
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Sport S wheels

Can anyone confirm the color of the Sport S wheels? In an earlier post Pat said: "Sport S wheel will stay the same, but will be painted a differrent color. I'm guessing the mineral gray color you see on the Freedom Editions."

I do not like the 2013 bright silver wheels ... If the 2014 Sport wheels are grey they would be much better ... although it might be worth it to hold out for the optional black wheels/rubi tires.

Pat and others - thanks for sharing all of this great info. It has been invaluable!
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:30 AM   #1007
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Just talked to my guy. Going in tmrw night to order but he JUST checked and the 430N is blanked out when bldg a JKUR. I would prefer the 430N but will take the 730. I was more concerned with the 4.10s glitch.
Still waiting on info from my dealership... They were supposed to check into this yesterday for me but when I went in this morning to finalize everything they still didn't have any info, now i'm supposed to go back later this afternoon...
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The goal is to get power to the wheel with traction. In practical applications, I have enjoyed the use of mechanical LSDs much more than Traction Control Systems. The only "brake" system that I have enjoyed for traction devices is the Torsen Axles on Humvees, but they are mechanical, not electronic.
The wheel with traction already has power. It's the one that doesn't that needs it.

When I first started looking for Jeeps I originally wanted a Sport with LSD. I didn't know BLD even existed and I'm sure most other people don't either. I read up on it mostly from truck and boat forums thinking the LSD would be needed to pull a boat up a wet boat ramp. The consensus seemed to be that it was unnoticeable between the electronic systems and LSDs. After looking at the overall systems, it would make sense the end result of regaining traction would be the same. As long as both axles are turning at the same rate, both wheels get traction. However that power gets redistributed to both wheels isn't all that important.
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The wheel with traction already has power. It's the one that doesn't that needs it.
No the wheel with traction is losing its power to the one spinning in the air with the open diff. The goal is to get the power going to the spinning wheel, and down to the one with something to push off of.
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No the wheel with traction is losing its power to the one spinning in the air with the open diff. The goal is to get the power going to the spinning wheel, and down to the one with something to push off of.
Your right, I phrased that backwards.
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Just called my local dealer. The only colors in the computer right now are:

-Anvil (somewhat interesting)
-Black (Meh. Scratch city)
-White (I am not Daisy Duke)
-Flame Red (Everyone has a red one)
-Dune (too peach)
-Billet Silver (yawn)

When do the interesting colors come out?

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Just called my local dealer. The only colors in the computer right now are:

-Anvil (somewhat interesting)
-Black (Meh. Scratch city)
-White (I am not Daisy Duke)
-Flame Red (Everyone has a red one)
-Dune (too peach)
-Billet Silver (yawn)

When do the interesting colors come out?

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That is the million dollar question right now. I would give anything (well... not really) to know when the granite crystal will be available!


Oh and BTW, I joined this forum because of this thread! Thanks Pat and others who have contributed!
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That is the million dollar question right now. I would give anything (well... not really) to know when the granite crystal will be available!

Oh and BTW, I joined this forum because of this thread! Thanks Pat and others who have contributed!
Granite crystal is a great color, but its the new,... Black/Silver/Grey everyone has it color. I'm definitely a fan but so is everyone else. Unless its a limited time color for the JK, they will be everywhere, even the rental car lots. Just my 2 cents.
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Granite crystal is a great color, but its the new,... Black/Silver/Grey everyone has it color. I'm definitely a fan but so is everyone else. Unless its a limited time color for the JK, they will be everywhere, even the rental car lots. Just my 2 cents.
I seriously doubt it.... granite crystal will be popular, BUT its not like every dealer will have about 6 or so of them in stock ready to go. this color is by no way going to be like black,white,silver... every dealership i've been to here in south florida has more of those colors then anything.
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Just called my local dealer. The only colors in the computer right now are:

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-White (I am not Daisy Duke)
-Flame Red (Everyone has a red one)
-Dune (too peach)
-Billet Silver (yawn)

When do the interesting colors come out?

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Man we had least 25 postings in a row that had nothing to do with color obsession.
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I seriously doubt it.... granite crystal will be popular, BUT its not like every dealer will have about 6 or so of them in stock ready to go. this color is by no way going to be like black,white,silver... every dealership i've been to here in south florida has more of those colors then anything.
I hope not, but its one of those colors that could replace silver. The most popular colors in FL are white and silver for any car.
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I seriously doubt it.... granite crystal will be popular, BUT its not like every dealer will have about 6 or so of them in stock ready to go. this color is by no way going to be like black,white,silver... every dealership i've been to here in south florida has more of those colors then anything.
Here its the other colors the dealer carries. Just a couple silver and black...but a lifetime supply of rock lobster.
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Man we had least 25 postings in a row that had nothing to do with color obsession.
I was told that supposedly the next batch of colors that should be ready to order should be possibly the second week of july. I'm really hoping that because im about ready to order and start the next 2 months of waiting to get my JKU designed for myself !!
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Here its the other colors the dealer carries. Just a couple silver and black...but a lifetime supply of rock lobster.
every dealership that i've physically went to here in SoFla has numerous black,silver, and white. those are the most popular and easy to sell colors i take it. as for rock lobster you see those here and there but remember, that was voted here on WF the most hated color of 2013

i feel sorry if thats all you can find over in iowa that just plain sucks...
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every dealership that i've physically went to here in SoFla has numerous black,silver, and white. those are the most popular and easy to sell colors i take it. as for rock lobster you see those here and there but remember that was probably the voted here on WF the most hated color of 2013

i feel sorry if thats all you can find over in iowa that just plain sucks...
Probably could get a sweet deal on the rock lobster. Pair that with a plate that reads "Pinchy" and you will be money.

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