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Old 07-21-2013, 10:19 PM   #2311
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This new blue for 2014. Jeep leaks that it will only be available once and only with their special edition. Sound familiar? That's right, like the 10A. "Only" "special" "exclusive" --- out the window.

Expect anything that Jeep from now on in 'sells" as special, exclusive, only to amount to a hill of beans. That blue will be available to everyone.

Personally, I picked my color based on what I like.....not because I want to be the only one who has one.

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Old 07-21-2013, 10:22 PM   #2312
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What does that mean, what that means is Jeeps word is worth exactly NOTHING.

This new blue for 2014. Jeep leaks that it will only be available once and only with their special edition. Sound familiar? That's right, like the 10A. "Only" "special" "exclusive" --- out the window.

Expect anything that Jeep from now on in 'sells" as special, exclusive, only to amount to a hill of beans.
i agree I'm sure down the line that blue will be available all the way around.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:19 PM   #2313
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Radio/Nav system

I was just looking at the driveunconnect.com website to hopefully sort through the model differences. The 2013 Jeep models all offer the same system choices. Now the Compass is the only Jeep model showing 2014 options and surprise to me, they are different from the 2013's. I know that in the original post, the 430n is mentioned. What are the chances that, like the Compass, the radio/nav systems will be new for 2014?
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:25 PM   #2314
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Can someone give me more specific details on the Sound and "Leather" option and why the "Leather" is a dealer install option instead of coming from the factory?

I'm always been in love with the Wrangler Unlimited since they came out but I'm still thinking if I'm really gonna enjoy it living in the FLAT-BORED state of Florida.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:27 PM   #2315
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Pat, I hope you can sort through the topic scatter and comment on the max tow package as well. I think myself (along with other forum members) would like to save their pennies for other mods if the only thing it adds is a hitch and a connector (which, with some sweat equity, can be added for less money). I think if added an upgraded alternator, tranny cooler, engine cooler, etc, it makes the calculus as to whether or not to order it totally different.

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Old 07-22-2013, 07:06 AM   #2316
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Pat, I hope you can sort through the topic scatter and comment on the max tow package as well. I think myself (along with other forum members) would like to save their pennies for other mods if the only thing it adds is a hitch and a connector (which, with some sweat equity, can be added for less money). I think if added an upgraded alternator, tranny cooler, engine cooler, etc, it makes the calculus as to whether or not to order it totally different.

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I'm not Pat, but this was covered a few dozen pages back in the thread. What it really comes down to is which model Wrangler you are buying and how worried you are about $ vs Warranty. I'm going to round the numbers out to nearest $100, cuz if you're buying a new jeep and freaking over the cost of a coffee, then you need to be willing to do the "calculus" aka arithmetic on your own. I'm also going to refer to ALL aftermarket tow packages as Quadratec, cuz they're the Kleenex of catalogs.

On ALL models, the tow package consists of a hitch receiver and 4-pin electrical connection. It's about 3 times the cost of Quadratec ($300 vs $100). From what we've been told, all the other features are exactly the same.

On Sport/Sahara/Freedom Edition the Max Tow Package adds 3.73 gears for an additional $100. With no tow package those same gears cost $300, which is the cost of the regular tow package...so you could also say that you're paying for the gears and getting the tow package for $100. On Unlimiteds this max tow increases the tow capacity to 3500 lbs. On 2 door models, it stays at 2000 lbs

On a Rubicon, the Max Tow package is $400, just like on the other models, but as 3.73 gears come standard with an Auto and 4.10's are standard with a manual, the only added features are the receiver and wiring harness.

Sooooo, if you want 3.21 gears on your non-Rubi Jeep, then you save $ to install the Quadratec parts, but if you order 3.73's, it's essentially a wash. If you order a Rubicon, you save $ to install It on your own. For some, time is worth more $ than $ and a warranted part on a Jeep is worth...well, peace of mind, I guess.
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If anyone has a 2013 with factory towing, examine the build sheet if you have it (not the sticker)and see if there are other items included in the build that reference towing. I may be wrong but I seem to remember sitting on a Rubicon with factory towing in a showroom somewhere and the build sheet was handy. I looked it over and I thought I saw something like "towing suspension". Again I may be wrong.
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If anyone has a 2013 with factory towing, examine the build sheet if you have it (not the sticker)and see if there are other items included in the build that reference towing. I may be wrong but I seem to remember sitting on a Rubicon with factory towing in a showroom somewhere and the build sheet was handy. I looked it over and I thought I saw something like "towing suspension". Again I may be wrong.
I have factory tow package on my 10A Rubicon. No tow suspension added or needed. I have 3.73 gears and Auto
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:34 AM   #2319
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Today's 7/22... The 2014 production line starts moving today, right?!!!?!?!
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I'm not Pat, but this was covered a few dozen pages back in the thread. What it really comes down to is which model Wrangler you are buying and how worried you are about $ vs Warranty. I'm going to round the numbers out to nearest $100, cuz if you're buying a new jeep and freaking over the cost of a coffee, then you need to be willing to do the "calculus" aka arithmetic on your own. I'm also going to refer to ALL aftermarket tow packages as Quadratec, cuz they're the Kleenex of catalogs.

On ALL models, the tow package consists of a hitch receiver and 4-pin electrical connection. It's about 3 times the cost of Quadratec ($300 vs $100). From what we've been told, all the other features are exactly the same.

On Sport/Sahara/Freedom Edition the Max Tow Package adds 3.73 gears for an additional $100. With no tow package those same gears cost $300, which is the cost of the regular tow package...so you could also say that you're paying for the gears and getting the tow package for $100. On Unlimiteds this max tow increases the tow capacity to 3500 lbs. On 2 door models, it stays at 2000 lbs

On a Rubicon, the Max Tow package is $400, just like on the other models, but as 3.73 gears come standard with an Auto and 4.10's are standard with a manual, the only added features are the receiver and wiring harness.

Sooooo, if you want 3.21 gears on your non-Rubi Jeep, then you save $ to install the Quadratec parts, but if you order 3.73's, it's essentially a wash. If you order a Rubicon, you save $ to install It on your own. For some, time is worth more $ than $ and a warranted part on a Jeep is worth...well, peace of mind, I guess.
Thanks for the detailed response. I have read this entire thread, and the reason I posted was suggestions made by occasional posters that the max tow package *might* include something else (suspension just mentioned, different tranny cooler mentioned, suggestion that trailer sway might somehow be different on the max tow). I agree with what you posted as to the known differences, but what isn't clear to me (and it may be in this thread, and I may be forgetting) is whether anyone truly in the know (Pat, someone who works on the assembly line or for Jeep, etc.) is certain that hitch, wiring, and gears are the only elements to the package.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:59 AM   #2321
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If anyone has a 2013 with factory towing, examine the build sheet if you have it (not the sticker)and see if there are other items included in the build that reference towing. I may be wrong but I seem to remember sitting on a Rubicon with factory towing in a showroom somewhere and the build sheet was handy. I looked it over and I thought I saw something like "towing suspension". Again I may be wrong.
Mine reads:
"SDAS Normal Duty Suspension"

It is a Sport S.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:00 AM   #2322
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Thanks for the detailed response. I have read this entire thread, and the reason I posted was suggestions made by occasional posters that the max tow package *might* include something else (suspension just mentioned, different tranny cooler mentioned, suggestion that trailer sway might somehow be different on the max tow). I agree with what you posted as to the known differences, but what isn't clear to me (and it may be in this thread, and I may be forgetting) is whether anyone truly in the know (Pat, someone who works on the assembly line or for Jeep, etc.) is certain that hitch, wiring, and gears are the only elements to the package.
Sadly, they are the only things in the two package. Nothing extra for cooling or suspension.
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i wonderin if good ol Pat will be posting some more color info for us.... im ready to order asap.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:16 PM   #2324
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Thanks for the detailed response. I have read this entire thread, and the reason I posted was suggestions made by occasional posters that the max tow package *might* include something else (suspension just mentioned, different tranny cooler mentioned, suggestion that trailer sway might somehow be different on the max tow). I agree with what you posted as to the known differences, but what isn't clear to me (and it may be in this thread, and I may be forgetting) is whether anyone truly in the know (Pat, someone who works on the assembly line or for Jeep, etc.) is certain that hitch, wiring, and gears are the only elements to the package.
Basically this.

After a ton of reading, I'm still confused for two reasons - nobody definitively knows what the "Max Tow" options offers on a Rubi except a hitch and a cable, and that such an option for a Rubi seems odd (see the previous reason).

One would think there would be either a cheaper "Trailer Tow" option for a Rubi as opposed to a generic "Max Tow" option if all one is getting is a hitch and a cable, or a definitive understanding of how such an option affects the Rubi trim level.

Going to order my Rubi later today - would really like to know what's what.

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Thanks for the detailed response. I have read this entire thread, and the reason I posted was suggestions made by occasional posters that the max tow package *might* include something else (suspension just mentioned, different tranny cooler mentioned, suggestion that trailer sway might somehow be different on the max tow). I agree with what you posted as to the known differences, but what isn't clear to me (and it may be in this thread, and I may be forgetting) is whether anyone truly in the know (Pat, someone who works on the assembly line or for Jeep, etc.) is certain that hitch, wiring, and gears are the only elements to the package.
The only things on the package are a hitch, wire assembly. The 3.73 were standard on the rubicon and the auto was a separate option.

As an informed consumer who special ordered my build, I have given you the facts.
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I specifically avoided the Max Tow Package on the Rubicon I just ordered Saturday because I didn't want to chance it being forced into 3.73's. I got the Auto with 4.10s, I'll add a hitch later.

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Old 07-22-2013, 12:32 PM   #2327
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I'm pretty sure that when we ordered our 2008 that the tow package (today's max tow, they did not differentiate) included Trailer Sway Control (TSC), but that over the years that became standard, likely as a CYA on Jeep's part when someone sued after wrecking their Quadratec tow equipped Jeep.

The transmission cooler was phased in to combat the engine fires that drew so much Internet attention, again, CYA on Jeep's part. Cheaper to make standard that deal with Litigation.

The 2013 Sport that we ordered with Max Tow had no features added for the tow package except the hitch, harness, and 3.73's.

At one point Rubicon's ONLY came with 4.10 gears and the tow package specifically stated that it deleted the 3.73's that were part of the Tow package on other models. When Max Tow was introduced, and 3.73 gears were only used with that package (or as stand-alone option), the Rubicon STILL had 4.10's. I don't recall if it specified a 3.21/3.73 Delete with tow package or not. When 3.73's became an option on the Rubicon, I believe they changed the name of the tow package to Max Tow simply to have uniformity of 3.73 Gears on the Max Tow option. Plus, they realized some people would still pay extra for the 4.10's as a separate option.
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Basically this.

After a ton of reading, I'm still confused for two reasons - nobody definitively knows what the "Max Tow" options offers on a Rubi except a hitch and a cable, and that such an option for a Rubi seems odd (see the previous reason).

One would think there would be either a cheaper "Trailer Tow" option for a Rubi as opposed to a generic "Max Tow" option if all one is getting is a hitch and a cable, or a definitive understanding of how such an option affects the Rubi trim level.

Going to order my Rubi later today - would really like to know what's what.

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Max Tow on a Rubi offeres nothing more than a hitch and a harness.

Your question on why there is a "Trailer Tow" is a question for Jeep...and it is why so many of us say that it is a rip-off to order the tow package on a 4 door Rubi.
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Max Tow on a Rubi offeres nothing more than a hitch and a harness.

Your question on why there is a "Trailer Tow" is a question for Jeep...and it is why so many of us say that it is a rip-off to order the tow package on a 4 door Rubi.
Agreed.

I will not be ordering my 2014 Rubi (in Billet, no less!) with the Max Tow option.

Now, if the dealer wants to throw it in...

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In terms of trailer sway control, see Pat's standard equipment list attached to post #1. Standard on JKUR.
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I just joined tread lightly today in anticipation to placing my order. It seems like it's hard to find anyone to deal with on pricing around DFW area. Everything is about $6-8k more than when I build it on USAA. Can't wait to get my Tread Lightly documentation.
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Old 07-22-2013, 03:59 PM   #2332
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My Tread Lightly docs came pretty quick, i'd say around 2 weeks...
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I just joined tread lightly today in anticipation to placing my order. It seems like it's hard to find anyone to deal with on pricing around DFW area. Everything is about $6-8k more than when I build it on USAA. Can't wait to get my Tread Lightly documentation.
USAA can probably get you a better deal than the 1% under invoice of Tread Lightly.
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You should easily get 2% below invoice with treadlightly. I tried USAA, but treadlightly worked out best for me. I am at 3.5% below invoice
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Why do we have no pictures yet I'm curious to see how the Rubicon X looks like. And those clear turn signals
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Why do we have no pictures yet I'm curious to see how the Rubicon X looks like. And those clear turn signals
I would say Rubicon X will look a lot like the 10A, at least from what Pat has said.

I do not get the clear signals....
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You should easily get 2% below invoice with treadlightly. I tried USAA, but treadlightly worked out best for me. I am at 3.5% below invoice
That's ridiculously good. Like, so good I'd call your bluff. I had to twist arms and legs to get to 2.53% below (invoice + destination).
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That's ridiculously good. Like, so good I'd call your bluff. I had to twist arms and legs to get to 2.53% below (invoice + destination).
Thanks, I'm actually 5% below invoice including destination and before doc fees($549) and tax. I am a little better than 3.5% below invoice including the $549 Doc Fees and before tax. I am just waiting to order granite crystal. The dealer is giving me 2% below invoice and is giving me all the holdback ($1129).

Hopefully Pat or Milous will have some info on the new colors soon
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No 2014 for me...

The dealer in question suddenly decided to not honor their over-the-phone 2% below invoice price, instead offering a little more than a grand off MSRP face-to-face. Too bad; they would've had a sale, but instead chose to get cute at order time.

While I'm disappointed, I will continue to enjoy my 2012. It's not like I needed a new one.

Thanks to everyone for making this a very informative thread!

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Your question on why there is a "Trailer Tow" is a question for Jeep...and it is why so many of us say that it is a rip-off to order the tow package on a 4 door Rubi.
What about a 4 door Sahara? I'm guessing the same thing.

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