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Old 08-20-2014, 05:44 PM   #1
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2015 Factory Nav vs Aftermarket

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I searched and couldn't find a direct answer to this, and I'm excited to here is there is even an answer yet, so here is the deal.

I'm spec'ing out my build for my 2015 JKUR, and have been wrestling with the idea of Navigation, I HATE to drop the $$$$ for a sub-par nav/head unit from the factory, but do like the Alpine stereo option. It is important to me that the steering wheel controls are all still functional, along with the bluetooth, so I am just trying to figure out if I should bite the bullet for a factory unit, or pick the jeep up from the factory without nav, and swap an aftermarket headunit with Nav in. My understanding is the Nav and the sirius radio share an antenna, so as long as the jeep has sirius from the factory, the nav antenna will be installed?

I remember seeing a thread a while back talking about a plug~n~play aftermarket nav system that appeared to be superior to the factory options. Would this be an option on the 2015 with the factory alpine speaker system? I'm looking for options. Thanks in advance

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I listened to both the 2015 stock system and 2015 Alpine system. The stock system is very good, and it is much improved over the 2014 stock system. But, the 2015 Alpine system sounds incredible, and you would have to spend double the cost of the Alpine system to get an equivalent aftermarket system. I highly recommend getting the Alpine system.

I ordered a 2015 JKU Sport, so it will have the 430, and not the 430N. Since you can get the 430N (same as 430, but with Navigation), you should get it. Aftermarket units are never 100% compatible with all the functions available with the stock systems, and don't look "integrated" with the rest of the Jeep. My recommendation is to order the factory unit with Navigation.

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Sorry I can't help with your specific questions, but I did want to mention one thing. I would never buy a factory navigation system again just because they you for the map updates once a year. On my Honda they wanted like $260!!!

I do know that if you buy the correct wiring harnesses you can retain use of the steering wheel controls. Mike swapped out his head unit for a Pioneer and everything still works, along with Bluetooth. I can't remember if the harness he got was a PAC or a Metra, but it does work.

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Sorry I can't help with your specific questions, but I did want to mention one thing. I would never buy a factory navigation system again just because they you for the map updates once a year. On my Honda they wanted like $260!!!

I do know that if you buy the correct wiring harnesses you can retain use of the steering wheel controls. Mike swapped out his head unit for a Pioneer and everything still works, along with Bluetooth. I can't remember if the harness he got was a PAC or a Metra, but it does work.

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I agree. I got a portable Garmin, with life time maps and traffic updates, for about half of what we paid to update the factory navigation.
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Sorry I can't help with your specific questions, but I did want to mention one thing. I would never buy a factory navigation system again just because they you for the map updates once a year. On my Honda they wanted like $260!!!
I have to agree.

I have a Kenwood aftermarket on another vehicle, and it has Garmin based NAV. And with that, the standard Garmin micro-SD slot in the corner of the front panel, tucked behind this slim little door. I can buy map updates for around $30, which because of that price I do once a year, and simply plug the map update micro-SD card into the slot.

Too bad that the 430N has Garman based NAV, but Chrysler didn't allow the Garmin micro-SD slot in its design.

BTW, I also have a cheap portable Garmin NAV, and of course, it has the standard Garmin micro-SD card slot too. When I update the maps on my Kenwood, the portable Garmin gets the hand-me-down map update micro-SD card. Yea, the portable has slightly out of date maps, but they're only 1 year out of date.
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When I order my 2015 I'll get the connectivity package, upgraded Alpine system and the 130 head unit. I HATE having any sort of TFT display in the dash. I think they look ugly as hell. For navigation I'll use my Garmin hand held or other portable solution. That way I am not locked into Chrysler technology in any way.

I have heard, no pun intended, many good things about the new stereo. That will be a must have for a fun vehicle like the Wrangler.

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I searched and couldn't find a direct answer to this, and I'm excited to here is there is even an answer yet, so here is the deal.

I'm spec'ing out my build for my 2015 JKUR, and have been wrestling with the idea of Navigation, I HATE to drop the $$$$ for a sub-par nav/head unit from the factory, but do like the Alpine stereo option. It is important to me that the steering wheel controls are all still functional, along with the bluetooth, so I am just trying to figure out if I should bite the bullet for a factory unit, or pick the jeep up from the factory without nav, and swap an aftermarket headunit with Nav in. My understanding is the Nav and the sirius radio share an antenna, so as long as the jeep has sirius from the factory, the nav antenna will be installed?

I remember seeing a thread a while back talking about a plug~n~play aftermarket nav system that appeared to be superior to the factory options. Would this be an option on the 2015 with the factory alpine speaker system? I'm looking for options. Thanks in advance
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My 2013 has the stock 730n...I am running it through a PAC adaptor with RCA outs on it...through an Alpine PDX-v9 and JL Audio speakers. I replace the factory sub (new non sub panel) and have a removable sub in the back. Not a whole lot of money tied up in it and it blows away the 2015 Alpine system.
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Buy it with the high level NAV and then sell it.

Consider replacing it with any of the other aftermarket NAV systems which ALLOW you to perform your own map updates. The Chrysler NAV updates are expensive and never really current with what's available. For example, you also cannot add your own topo maps. Why does an offroad vehicle not allow for dedicated offroad maps?
While an OEM NAV might look good and work somewhat well in the city, it quickly becomes outdated.

Even consider installing a CAR PC for the ultimate piece.
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I have a 2014 JKURX with the 730n, and if I could do it all over again I'd go aftermarket. It always brings me on the most "interesting" routes and doesn't hesitate to add an hour to my trip to avoid a 5 minute traffic jam. I've been using it lately to find new ways to avoid some of the traffic back ups, but my portable Tom Tom is much better. I may eventually replace it with a Sony system that has the Tom Tom system built in.
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That's interesting, because the Harman NAV that's built into the 730N, is suppose to be based off Tom Tom.
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Huh?

I have the 730N in my new '14 Rubicon Unlimited and it just says it uses Navteq maps. TomTom was known for maintaining their own map databases, vs. using Navteq like *many* other brands use. I know from owning quite a few different stand-alone GPS units over the years, TomTom was among the WORST for having incomplete street maps with missing data. The last TomTom unit I used, when I still lived in St. Louis, Missouri, only knew how to search for about 3 or 4 zip codes in the whole metro area! It acted like all the others didn't exist. We downloaded the latest map update to it, assuming that would surely fix it -- but it didn't.

I think a lot of people like Garmin because they, too, maintain their own map databases. (Garmin operates several small aircraft they fly all over the U.S.A. regularly to keep maps updated.) Unlike TomTom, they seem to do a pretty good job of it.

I can't confirm it, but I've been told several times that TomTom navigation actually works much better in Europe than in the U.S. Maybe that's their strong point?


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I have the 730N in my new '14 Rubicon Unlimited and it just says it uses Navteq maps. TomTom was known for maintaining their own map databases, vs. using Navteq like *many* other brands use. I know from owning quite a few different stand-alone GPS units over the years, TomTom was among the WORST for having incomplete street maps with missing data. The last TomTom unit I used, when I still lived in St. Louis, Missouri, only knew how to search for about 3 or 4 zip codes in the whole metro area! It acted like all the others didn't exist. We downloaded the latest map update to it, assuming that would surely fix it -- but it didn't.

I think a lot of people like Garmin because they, too, maintain their own map databases. (Garmin operates several small aircraft they fly all over the U.S.A. regularly to keep maps updated.) Unlike TomTom, they seem to do a pretty good job of it.

I can't confirm it, but I've been told several times that TomTom navigation actually works much better in Europe than in the U.S. Maybe that's their strong point?
Quite correct! they are Navteq, very very old Navteq maps. 95% of my experience with Tom Tom was out of the USA...Germany and Australia primarily and they were the best! I also had a Thompson in Germany that worked well.
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The Maestro idata interface works really well if you add an aftermarket unit.

Your question really is personal, a lot of people seem to prefer the aftermarket ones. I don't. I pulled a Kenwood and went with a 430n.

Its all in what you place value on.
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I've had my 2014 for all of a month with the 430N in it - if I had to change one thing about my purchase I wouldn't have gotten the factory system and gone with aftermarket - still looking at my options and may go with something like what pepatrick has done - the audio system is by far the biggest (and so far only) disappointment in the jeep - my 2000 bone stock camry playing a cassette sounds better.
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Quite correct! they are Navteq, very very old Navteq maps. 95% of my experience with Tom Tom was out of the USA...Germany and Australia primarily and they were the best! I also had a Thompson in Germany that worked well.
I put the NAV system itself separately from the map database.

In researching the 730N, and finding that it uses Harman's NAV system, I did more digging and found that Harman's NAV system is based off the same as Tom Tom. A bit different than the 430N's being based off Garmin.

BTW, I also found that the 730N uses a Blackberry based OS (QNX).
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Yeah... when it comes to audio, Chrysler/Jeep definitely isn't really "on top" of the latest technology or improvements, and loves to cheap out wherever possible on speakers.

I will say, though.... I've become a fan of built in navigation, vs. the stand-alone units. For starters, having someone do a "smash and grab" of one of mine in my truck reminded me of one big disadvantage. Unless you're constantly removing the thing from your dash or front window and hiding it, EVERY time you get out of the vehicle -- it's a big theft target. And replacing that window glass costs more than 2x the value of the nav. unit they steal, in most cases.

Also, there's just the matter of having that extra power cable to cope with, dangling down the dash and occupying one of the lighter plugs. Sure, you could hard-wire it ... but it's still extra stuff that can go wrong (power wire comes loose from where you trapped into the fuse panel for power or what-not).

The other big plus to navigation built into the stereo (whether aftermarket or OEM) is the ability to automatically drop the volume level of your music when it needs to speak directions, and return it to normal when it's done talking. This is actually one of those "little things" you forget about until you don't have it, or it isn't implemented well. Some of the off-brand, cheap stereos with navigation do this really poorly -- so music played from a USB stick or MP3s on a CDR disc don't get the volume nicely faded like the radio does.
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For street use, the only real draw back that I've found is the $150 DVD updates that are at least a year out of date by the time they get released. Otherwise it seems rather... OK.

For off-road use... well, it's pretty much useless for that. No way to load trail maps, topo maps, satellite, etc. No app control for a smart phone, so no way to run any of the smart phone navigation apps either. There are some people trying to figure out a way to make this work (another good thread on this forum). So maybe in the future, they'll figure it out.

Putting a hand-me-down minivan Nav system in the Wrangler was a really stupid move on Jeeps part (imo).

I have the base system that came in the '14 X (130, Alpine, U-Connect). When the free satellite subscription is over the Head Unit will get replaced.
For street navigation I have a Tom Tom with traffic info, and lifetime maps (~$100). It has been all over the U.S., and has done an excellent job.

Lately I've found the smart phone has an awesome Google based nav system that I like even better. I just speak the name or address of where I want to go, or do a Google search, and then hit the "navigate to" button.
I've also downloaded a couple of off-road navigation apps that are really cool, but haven't had a chance to try them off road yet.
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^Yup...I went with the base 130 for that exact reason.

My wife has a Tom-Tom that I can use if need be. I have an Atlas in the back of my Jeep, and my Google maps works just fine on my smart phone.

So I opted for a used 430rbz out of a 2010 Town and Country instead and went about my business. Got it off of ebay for $260 shipped.
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Quadratec has a great product to mount any electronic device on the dashboard and a great system for hardwiring it to the cigarette lighter. I just ordered a 15 and I'm having the 430N put in it. I like the Garmin systems and the 430N uses Garmin.

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Sorry I can't help with your specific questions, but I did want to mention one thing. I would never buy a factory navigation system again just because they you for the map updates once a year. On my Honda they wanted like $260!!!

I do know that if you buy the correct wiring harnesses you can retain use of the steering wheel controls. Mike swapped out his head unit for a Pioneer and everything still works, along with Bluetooth. I can't remember if the harness he got was a PAC or a Metra, but it does work.

Good luck!
Who's Mike? I'm pretty new here, but I would LOVE an aftermarket (BETTER) nav system as long as all functions on the wheel/bluetooth, etc function as they should.

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I have to agree.

I have a Kenwood aftermarket on another vehicle, and it has Garmin based NAV. And with that, the standard Garmin micro-SD slot in the corner of the front panel, tucked behind this slim little door. I can buy map updates for around $30, which because of that price I do once a year, and simply plug the map update micro-SD card into the slot.

Too bad that the 430N has Garman based NAV, but Chrysler didn't allow the Garmin micro-SD slot in its design.

BTW, I also have a cheap portable Garmin NAV, and of course, it has the standard Garmin micro-SD card slot too. When I update the maps on my Kenwood, the portable Garmin gets the hand-me-down map update micro-SD card. Yea, the portable has slightly out of date maps, but they're only 1 year out of date.
can you post up some details on how this is set up and if the controls on the steering wheel still function properly? Bluetooth?

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When I order my 2015 I'll get the connectivity package, upgraded Alpine system and the 130 head unit. I HATE having any sort of TFT display in the dash. I think they look ugly as hell. For navigation I'll use my Garmin hand held or other portable solution. That way I am not locked into Chrysler technology in any way.

I have heard, no pun intended, many good things about the new stereo. That will be a must have for a fun vehicle like the Wrangler.

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Can you get the Premium Audio without Nav on a 2015 HRR? I went to the local jeep last night, and was all set on a standard (Trans.) JKUR... but then I found out that the Hard Rock Package rear bumper was compatible with many aftermarket tire carriers... so I'm likely going to be ordering a HRR as soon as I hash out the details. My phone has GPS, so I don't need the Jeep to be feeding me expensive, out dated maps, but it would be GREAT to have the screen with built in nav (and trail maps ) Especially considering the battery in my over-priced piece of fruit is pretty much constantly dead and/or charging. This will be my first BRAND-NEW vehicle purchase, and I plan on keeping it for a LONG time, so I'ed prefer to have as little regret regarding skipping/adding options as possible.
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http://www.insanejeepaudio.com/JK_Features.html

I'm interested in this one. It does trail maps and so much more. Does anybody have experience with the one for the TJ.
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I'm interested in this one. It does trail maps and so much more. Does anybody have experience with the one for the TJ.
THAT is what im talking about! Minus the fact that its "coming soon" and also specifically states JK 2007-2014; no mention of 2015/Alpine compatibility
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THAT is what im talking about! Minus the fact that its "coming soon" and also specifically states JK 2007-2014; no mention of 2015/Alpine compatibility
Anyone see a price on that, looks pretty awesome.
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I don't know about the 2015 system, I have a 2013 JKUR 430N purchased in April of 2013 and I have been told over and over by Jeep and their map people that I have the latest and best maps available for my Jeep. My maps that are at least 15 months old and I am guessing closer to 18 months or more.

I just got back from a 13682 mile trip to Alaska and this system took me on roads that no longer where there or had no idea where I was at least a dozen times and did not show rivers or lakes more than a dozen times, it didn't even have the Snake River in parts of WY

I think I will switch to aftermarket when I can and I don't think I would buy the Jeep system again.
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WHERE is the "Like" Button!

Posted my question regarding the factory steering wheel controls, alpine stereo option and bluetooth on there site. Thank you for posting this, and at the price, its nearly identical to the factory 430N option so that removes cost from the equation! GREAT stuff!
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Quadratec has a great product to mount any electronic device on the dashboard and a great system for hardwiring it to the cigarette lighter. I just ordered a 15 and I'm having the 430N put in it. I like the Garmin systems and the 430N uses Garmin.

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Great! The mount is perfect for my device. What's the model for the mount and where can I order? Thanks!
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I have a Pioneer navigation system in my JK and it does pretty much everything that this unit does and I love it.
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Can someone buy this and give us a great review...

sounds too good to be true
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WHERE is the "Like" Button! Posted my question regarding the factory steering wheel controls, alpine stereo option and bluetooth on there site. Thank you for posting this, and at the price, its nearly identical to the factory 430N option so that removes cost from the equation! GREAT stuff!
If you happen to get one let me know. I am curious as to how well it performs. Sadly I haven't even bought my jeep yet.

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