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Old 12-25-2011, 11:40 AM   #1
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I understand the 2015 wrangler will mark the next big revision to this jeep line. What will be significant about it? What will drive the changes?

Unibody? Hybrid? Fuel cell/electric powered? Diesel? Composites? What might be some of the corporate goals? 35mpg? AWD option?

What features would we, the customer, like to see in the next generation wrangler? Looking back to my first Rubicon, I think Jeep produced it because of all the after market products available for the wrangler and thought they could capture some of that money.

Is there something unique to the after market today that Jeep might incorporate into the 2015 model?

Maybe I should wait for the 2015 model instead of springing for this latest version? Just a thought...

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Should be the first flying offroad vehicle.......

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Should be the first flying offroad vehicle.......
Wheels and tires will be optional.
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Should be the first flying offroad vehicle.......
Maybe it can go "Back to the future"?
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Not with the new pentastar flux capacitor.....
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Looking back to my first Rubicon, I think Jeep produced it because of all the after market products available for the wrangler and thought they could capture some of that money.
Aftermarket sales did not drive the creation of the Rubicon. The Chrysler Skunkwerks division did.

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Is there something unique to the after market today that Jeep might incorporate into the 2015 model?
How about a supercharger? 350hp/300 ft lbs and 25mpg would be nice.
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Not with the new pentastar flux capacitor.....
I agree, there will be a power plant change...but what will it be? With Chrysler ducking out of the FCEL r and d, will it be yet another borrowed engine?

Maybe they'll borrow some Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Mercedes Ballard fuel cell power plants and incorporate electric drive. Imagine having an electric motor at each wheel, no more "drive shaft/ring and pinion/axles" to break.
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I agree, there will be a power plant change...but what will it be? With Chrysler ducking out of the FCEL r and d, will it be yet another borrowed engine?

Maybe they'll borrow some Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Mercedes Ballard fuel cell power plants and incorporate electric drive. Imagine having an electric motor at each wheel, no more "drive shaft/ring and pinion/axles" to break.

Absolutely not. Maybe an additional power plant, but definitely not a different one. The 3.6 was designed to be the only 6 cylinder for economies of scale. It will be around for quite a while. Now that Europe is looking at tight restrictions on diesels, they will probably come up with one the is US compatible.
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Absolutely not. Maybe an additional power plant, but definitely not a different one. The 3.6 was designed to be the only 6 cylinder for economies of scale. It will be around for quite a while. Now that Europe is looking at tight restrictions on diesels, they will probably come up with one the is US compatible.
OK. So what's going to be the big deal with the 2015 wrangler? Is there some trend that we can point to today that will be incorporated into tomorrow's wrangler? Or will it just be cosmetic like the shift from 2010 to 2011?

How old is this "new" 3.6? Two jeep model years now? 4 years older by 2015. Time for a new one I say. Change is inevitable. Maybe they'll improve the 3.6 for a few years (give it more diesel-like features), but it will go the way of the 3.8, and sooner rather than later. And whatever is on the horizon, it'll probably find its way to the wrangler line last of all.

Broadly speaking, where does that leave Chrysler? The Fiat CEO has been smart to inject more quality "look and feel" into the Chrysler product lines. But he's retiring soon, and his "turn around" of Chrysler is closer to the end than to the beginning.

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2012 is the first year the Wrangler had the 3.6. Companies don't spend millions in R & D and factory retooling for an engine to only be around for 4 years. 2015 may or may not be the new Wrangler, but you can definitely expect a new body when the change does come.
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Maybe instead of having a "self parking" system that a lot of cars now have, the Wrangler will have a "self rock crawl" feature.
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2012 is the first year the Wrangler had the 3.6. Companies don't spend millions in R & D and factory retooling for an engine to only be around for 4 years. 2015 may or may not be the new Wrangler, but you can definitely expect a new body when the change does come.
Unfortunately, you're probably right. Even with the "new" 2012, wrangler is a lagging product. Guess its just wishful thinking on my part that Chrysler would expend some serious money on R & D, instead of shutting it down to save money in the short term.

What's Fiat going to do? Boost Chrysler sales, then sell it? Purchase the R & D from someone else? The world is moving away from the ICE (hah, ICE causes less ice, get it!).

So the body is going to change? What does that mean? Will the wrangler shed some more pounds? More plastic, carbon fiber, something else? Will it inevitably go uni-body?
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2012 is the first year the Wrangler had the 3.6. Companies don't spend millions in R & D and factory retooling for an engine to only be around for 4 years. 2015 may or may not be the new Wrangler, but you can definitely expect a new body when the change does come.
If you've seen the internal construction of the 3.6L V6-then be aware that any future repairs-outta warranty are gonna be "EXPENSIVE", so any power mods better be well thought out and

If they comeup with turbo/Supercharge changes, along with the NEEDED OBC piggybacks--and the "NO HEADERS feature--LOOKOUT-

Thats why I "in humor" mentioned the 3.8L swap-

It'd be a lot easier to get additional power and with a manual tranny--the "Cats Meow"-

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How about a supercharger? 350hp/300 ft lbs and 25mpg would be nice.
Hopefully Chrysler will go broke. And like many times before somebody will buy and save the iconic JEEP brand. As it's the only thing Chrysler makes that's worth a whot! And FORD will step up and buy jeep. Now all pentajunk minivan engines will be nothing but boat anchors. Now jeeps will come with a little 3.5 super motor with 365 HP and 425 FPT. And better fuel economy. Oh wait, that is not in the future, that is to day at any ford dealer. Ford has the technology, all they need is the jeep,LOL. And they even will put a roof and doors on it that, wait you won't believe me. Don't leak like a sieve! And no stupid 4 or 5 speed auto. As all ford offers today across it whole vehicle line is 6 speed autos with select shift on most. And no more stupid clutch burning manuals, as ford has ditched them in all 4X4 vehicles as they are worthless off road. This may sound like the future for jeep, but this is reality at ford today!
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Hopefully Chrysler will go broke. And like many times before somebody will buy and save the iconic JEEP brand. As it's the only thing Chrysler makes that's worth a whot! And FORD will step up and buy jeep. Now all pentajunk minivan engines will be nothing but boat anchors. Now jeeps will come with a little 3.5 super motor with 365 HP and 425 FPT. And better fuel economy. Oh wait, that is not in the future, that is to day at any ford dealer. Ford has the technology, all they need is the jeep,LOL. And they even will put a roof and doors on it that, wait you won't believe me. Don't leak like a sieve! And no stupid 4 or 5 speed auto. As all ford offers today across it whole vehicle line is 6 speed autos with select shift on most. And no more stupid clutch burning manuals, as ford has ditched them in all 4X4 vehicles as they are worthless off road. This may sound like the future for jeep, but this is reality at ford today!
A note (more like a whole d--- song!) of sarcasm perhaps? Thanks, this is the kind of input I'd be looking for if I were heading up the Wrangler product line. Makes me want to go look at this Ford thing you're talking about!
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Hopefully Chrysler will go broke. And like many times before somebody will buy and save the iconic JEEP brand. As it's the only thing Chrysler makes that's worth a whot! And FORD will step up and buy jeep. Now all pentajunk minivan engines will be nothing but boat anchors. Now jeeps will come with a little 3.5 super motor with 365 HP and 425 FPT. And better fuel economy. Oh wait, that is not in the future, that is to day at any ford dealer. Ford has the technology, all they need is the jeep,LOL. And they even will put a roof and doors on it that, wait you won't believe me. Don't leak like a sieve! And no stupid 4 or 5 speed auto. As all ford offers today across it whole vehicle line is 6 speed autos with select shift on most. And no more stupid clutch burning manuals, as ford has ditched them in all 4X4 vehicles as they are worthless off road. This may sound like the future for jeep, but this is reality at ford today!
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Jeep, pay attention when I say this. You can continue on with the JK line if you want, but PLEASE provide us with a bare-bones base model, one that has just a choice of transmission, transfer case (must include a TJ-style-operated manual transfer case), axles and ratio, manual everything (locks, windows, etc.), etc., with the option to mix and match anything. I am one who would be willing to buy a Jeep years down the road if you can bring back the simplicity of a TJ or before.
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Jeep, pay attention when I say this. You can continue on with the JK line if you want, but PLEASE provide us with a bare-bones base model, one that has just a choice of transmission, transfer case (must include a TJ-style-operated manual transfer case), axles and ratio, manual everything (locks, windows, etc.), etc., with the option to mix and match anything. I am one who would be willing to buy a Jeep years down the road if you can bring back the simplicity of a TJ or before.
The JK's t-case is manual. You can also get a JK with manual windows/locks. Only one engine choice, but there was only one good engine choice for the TJ as well.
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The JK's t-case is manual. You can also get a JK with manual windows/locks. Only one engine choice, but there was only one good engine choice for the TJ as well.
Correct. Nothing really wrong with the I4's.. Just didn't produce enough power to be as enjoyable in highway use and when offroad doing hill climbs and trying to get through deeper mud situations.
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Merry Christmas to all. I am not trolling. Ok so I am but I am a troll with a wrangler. I have over 600 posts. I think we will see more and more ecoboost type engines from every manufacturer in the world. V8 power with V6 economy! Ford also has a 4 banger Eco out with V6 power and 4 cylinder economy. And a torque curve to envy most diesels. The ford Eco makes the jeep diesel look like a dog in most all respects! The wrangler diesel that we can't get here anywho. The EB is on it's first year and is already the best selling of the 4 power plants in the F150 line. They are coming out with 5.0 V8 ecoboost with over 500HP and 600FP for the super duty line. Within a year are two ford will have a ecoboost motor for every vehicle it builds. If the holy grail pentastar is to last it too will be direct injected and turbo charged in the near future. May take a whole new engine though, as the ecoboost ford is built to diesel specs from top to bottem. Basically a diesel engine running on gas. Built with a service life of 500,000 miles or more.
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Merry Christmas to all. I am not trolling. Ok so I am but I am a troll with a wrangler. I have over 600 posts. I think we will see more and more ecoboost type engines from every manufacturer in the world. V8 power with V6 economy! Ford also has a 4 banger Eco out with V6 power and 4 cylinder economy. And a torque curve to envy most diesels. The ford Eco makes the jeep diesel look like a dog in most all respects! The wrangler diesel that we can't get here anywho. The EB is on it's first year and is already the best selling of the 4 power plants in the F150 line. They are coming out with 5.0 V8 ecoboost with over 500HP and 600FP for the super duty line. Within a year are two ford will have a ecoboost motor for every vehicle it builds. If the holy grail pentastar is to last it too will be direct injected and turbo charged in the near future. May take a whole new engine though, as the ecoboost ford is built to diesel specs from top to bottem. Basically a diesel engine running on gas. Built with a service life of 500,000 miles or more.
Hey, I shouldn't have been so harsh, that's true. Just seemed like a strange rant for where we are. Merry Christmas, and have a happy New Year!
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The JK's t-case is manual. You can also get a JK with manual windows/locks. Only one engine choice, but there was only one good engine choice for the TJ as well.
The trouble is the electronic features for four wheeling, remote starting, umm, what else... Hill Start Assist, the air climate control thingie... Audio controls on the steering wheel. Navigation, heated seats. I want a vehicle that is largely field repairable. This stuff may be reliable, but eventually, all human-made things fail, and the less there is, the less there is to break down. Plus, it all goes back to honoring the GP roots. There are cars with the latest doodads out there. Let Jeep be the "outback bare-bones basic utility" option that no one in the US market has out there on the lot.
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Merry Christmas to all...If the holy grail pentastar is to last it too will be direct injected and turbo charged in the near future. May take a whole new engine though, as the ecoboost ford is built to diesel specs from top to bottem. Basically a diesel engine running on gas. Built with a service life of 500,000 miles or more.
Wonder how long before the Pentastar EB will be available? Think that's what I'll wait for, just hope it's before the 2015 model year! I'd love to get 365hp/425fpt and 25mgp.
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Hey, I shouldn't have been so harsh, that's true. Just seemed like a strange rant for where we are. Merry Christmas, and have a happy New Year!
No problem here. I tend to shock some people with my writings sometimes. Kind of like howard stern, who I don't really care much for. As the owner of many fords, both now and in the past. I can tell you they have their problems and faults also. On the other hand my 11 wrangler has never been back to the shop and it is over 10 months old with over 15K miles. And it has all the bells and stuff and no faults whatsoever. I would buy another jeep in a heartbeat.

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