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Old 06-17-2013, 06:18 PM   #121
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I'll never drop the windshield, but I love how it looks and knowing that I can.

Among the few things I appreciate about Chrysler is that the company has resisted selling the Wrangler out- in a time when a lot of companies cave (Hummer, anyone?), the Wrangler has kept most everything that makes it a Wrangler- hood tie downs, solid axles, removable tops, offroad abilities, etc.

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When the CJ was replaced with the YJ, everyone said Jeep sold out and the "true Jeep" was dead. Same thing when the TJ came out. It happened again when the JK "just kidding" came out. It will FOR SURE happen on the next redseign.


Despite all of the negative nancies, each generation has been more capable than the last. A stock JK or JKU will destroy a CJ on the trails, in the mud, or on rocks. The electronic nannies coming in the redesign will add to capability as well, but people will cry and moan about them anyways. You heard it here first.

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Old 06-17-2013, 06:32 PM   #122
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When the CJ was replaced with the YJ, everyone said Jeep sold out and the "true Jeep" was dead. Same thing when the TJ came out. It happened again when the JK "just kidding" came out. It will FOR SURE happen on the next redseign.

Despite all of the negative nancies, each generation has been more capable than the last. A stock JK or JKU will destroy a CJ on the trails, in the mud, or on rocks. The electronic nannies coming in the redesign will add to capability as well, but people will cry and moan about them anyways. You heard it here first.
Actually lots of people were very happy to see the TJs replace the YJ.

Personally I don't want any of the "real jeeps" in stock form, not to wheel at least. All the people that talk about how bad ass and tough they are obviously never wheeled them on anything harder then the beach.

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Old 06-17-2013, 06:43 PM   #123
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Actually lots of people were very happy to see the TJs replace the YJ.
That's how I remember it too.

In fact.... instead of every new model hated, it kinda cycles back and forth.

CJ - Awesome
YJ'S - Meh
TJ - Awesome
JK - Meh
2016 - ?

I always get in trouble when I make lists.
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:04 PM   #124
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Hopefully Jeep wont get slack on the codes names like they did with the newest grand Cherokee. The WK2, really? Hopefully they don't.just call it a JK2....
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:27 PM   #125
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I never said anything about independent suspension. Dropping the windshield on a JK is not only a stupidly long process, but it makes the jeep look like crap, compromises safety, compromises offroad ability (try driving in Moab without a windshield, you'll be dustblind real fast) and is just a pain in the a$$. Furthermore, I have yet to hear of a person folding down a JK windshield that put it back up and didn't have leaks. It's a worthless feature that adds cost, complexity, compromises strength, and is a feature it can easily lose. The original Jeep had leafsprings, doesn't mean it's a good idea to keep them around.

I wouldn't mind having a rig with some features on the green one...



A more raked FIXED windshield, a hard roof, half doors and pillarless glass. That would make the jeep plenty open like this...
ummmm how the hell can I shoot zombies in front of my jeep without busting out the glass??? pfft
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:34 PM   #126
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How is a JKU more complex?


I still think a diesel is the ace in the hole for cafe standards for a 2 door it will meet them no problem

Oh just the doors and b pillar is all I meant. I guess "complex" really wasn't the best word for it, more like "higher parts count" I guess?

Also I'm totally on board with the diesel, not only for cafe standards, but also for the increased range and low end torque! Might even increase the tow capacity, especially in the longer wheel based JKU.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:56 PM   #127
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Oh just the doors and b pillar is all I meant. I guess "complex" really wasn't the best word for it, more like "higher parts count" I guess?

Also I'm totally on board with the diesel, not only for cafe standards, but also for the increased range and low end torque! Might even increase the tow capacity, especially in the longer wheel based JKU.
Ah I gotcha now, def has more parts

Yeah a diesel would be awesome! I hope they up the tow rating for the next gen also but I think that is more of a frame and breaking capacity then power though. Just think about all that torque, would make turning 37's real easy and still in the mid 20's mpg!
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:04 AM   #128
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A more raked FIXED windshield, a hard roof, half doors and pillarless glass. That would make the jeep plenty open like this...
It's been done before



Expect it again if the 2dr's wheelbase can't be used anymore



If Jeep sold this ^ in the US, I'd trade my 2dr in for one. Give a full length hard top and half doors with roll up windows and it would be almost like a modern day Commando.
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:30 AM   #129
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Non removable doors? Did I hear that right? Shame on you. Don't call yourself a jeeper. Take it back. You own a jeep but you're not a true Jeeper.
Just because you have one doesn't make you one. Especially after that comment

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Love black.
looks the best when clean and the worst when dirty. Mine is a show toy and Not a DD. So its under a dust cover and shiny clean always. I like that people cannot buy black because of these reasons. Makes mine stand out even more. Thanks.
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Not a mudder.
Bring it out for showing off. Woodward Cruise. Veterans, Memorial and car shows ext.. parades it get run in. Weekend rides , no rain days. Stays under a cover.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:52 AM   #130
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This.

From the same guy who posted this about his own Jeep.


I see your point, but he isn't trying to change the jeep. That is a big difference in my book. Whether or not he uses the jeep to what its designed for is his business. The other guy wants it to be another typical 4 wheel drive suv.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:57 AM   #131
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I hope they make a better tailgate design I hate how I can't open the window to grab something
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:24 AM   #132
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Jeep will never listen to forums because the forums are filled with true Jeepers. That's a small percentage of the overall buyers.

Most buyers are like me... The Daily drivers. These people (me) would prefer thick non-removeable doors that help block sound more, a slanted non-foldable windshield that cuts down on costs and helps with gas mileage, and better aerodynamics. I'd also like the spare removed ,TASTEFULLY not ugly, with an inflation kit included instead. I'd also like some modernized headlights, like the Grand Cherokee's, with HID as an option.

So what's my point? True Jeepers have different tastes than the daily driver type, and the daily driver type makes up a considerably larger chunk of the sales. So don't expect Jeep/Fiat to take ideas from the forum.
if you want that and you want them to do that to a jeep then y don't you go drive an import and not buy a jeep you can look at the jeep and tell its not for good gas mileage or amazing comfort so if your going to complain about it DONT BUY A JEEP as simple as that
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:47 AM   #133
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Hopefully, with whatever engine Jeep utilizes in 2016, that they'll re-engineer the Pentatick's crazy exhaust loop.

I'm pretty sure that Jeeps current exhaust designer was a drag racer in his youth.

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I laughed and did an "oh Chrysler!" the first time I looked under the JK and saw the loop. I think they did it to maintain equal length tubes, which is good for torque.

Its actually solid engineering... If you've driven the Pentastar in any of the cars its used in, its a revvy engine. I think they pulled every trick they could to get the extra torque that suits the JK's intended use.

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