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Old 02-17-2012, 06:07 PM   #1
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I added a Unichip, an AirRaid cold air intake, and a Poweraid throttle body spacer and had an actual gain of 27hp @5000rpm and total torque is 265@4000rpm (more than the pentastar, and less rpm's)
on my 2011 Rubicon Unlimited

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i added a super chip, cai, jetchip, throttle body, headers, full cat back exhaust, cold air in take, and my jeep is still slow. it gets smoked by a 2012

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aand new gears
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I took my doors off and hung my head outside while driving down the highway; felt like i was going MUCH faster.
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I added a Unichip, an AirRaid cold air intake, and a Poweraid throttle body spacer and had an actual gain of 27hp @5000rpm and total torque is 265@4000rpm (more than the pentastar, and less rpm's)
on my 2011 Rubicon Unlimited
Let's see the dyno print out.
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Wish it to be true but Afe did a dyno and posted it a while back after they did a CAI/Throttle body/Exhaust and proved 10hp only and they showed the video of the dyno. I would have to see the dyno. It is hard to believe you can get more then a company trying to sell products to us. Many have tried CAI's and throttle bodies with little results but I would be happy to see this especially since the PCM will adjust air flow to compensate for changes. AFe was proud of that 10hp
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I would like to see the chart too. I may go that route if it is verified.
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I added a Unichip, an AirRaid cold air intake, and a Poweraid throttle body spacer and had an actual gain of 27hp @5000rpm and total torque is 265@4000rpm (more than the pentastar, and less rpm's)
on my 2011 Rubicon Unlimited
Not going to find many believers here. Even if you post a print out, everyone is going to assume your dyno guys goofed up somehow. As noted above, even CAI manufacturers don't claim those kind of gains. This is similar to claiming that you've determined having a statue of St. Peter in your glovebox adds 30 hp--even with a dyno, no one's going to believe you.

And in any event, the real question is improvement below 3k RPMs. Who the hell drives around at 5k RPMs? For my 3.21s and 33" tires with a manual trans, I'm pretty sure I'd need to keep it in 3rd gear at highway speeds to get up that high.
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I took my doors off and hung my head outside while driving down the highway; felt like i was going MUCH faster.
i just lol'd
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Actual stock run dyno at the wheel of the 3.8L is 178 torque at 4000 RPM' then torque drops off tremdously. The HP is 150 hp at 4700 RPM. 27 hp increase is nearly a 20% increase and I am assuming that you had to get this number from a dyno at the wheel not from engine results listed at factory

Of course these a actual at wheel dynos were any after market product would be tested against. Just not sure how anyone could come up with the torque number you came up with. Most would have tested it at the wheel with a dyno test that tests at wheel numbers. Not factory at engine numbers

Blue lines are stock. Red line is with Superchips tuner 87 tune and other mods not listed

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I added a Unichip, an AirRaid cold air intake, and a Poweraid throttle body spacer and had an actual gain of 27hp @5000rpm and total torque is 265@4000rpm (more than the pentastar, and less rpm's)
on my 2011 Rubicon Unlimited


what tom said.. Dyno print out please
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still say real hp is gained from regearing. Stock auto was running 1700 rpm's at 70 mph which is around 50 hp. With regearing it runs at 2500 rpm's at 70 mph at around 78 hp. So gained 28hp at 70 mph in O/D just from going from 3.73 to 4.88 gears. Thats more then a 50% increase at 70mph. Now you can pass on the hwy
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And in any event, the real question is improvement below 3k RPMs. Who the hell drives around at 5k RPMs? For my 3.21s and 33" tires with a manual trans, I'm pretty sure I'd need to keep it in 3rd gear at highway speeds to get up that high.
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I have 3.73's and an AT JKU. I drive it like a Jeep, not a sports car, although I don't hold up traffic, I'm not the fastest guy out there. I generally hover around 1.5-2.5k RPMs. The only time I see 5k is smashing it when I really need to getting on the highway. Even if a gain is seen in this range, I haven't driven in this spectrum regularly since I traded in my WRX.
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I took my doors off and hung my head outside while driving down the highway; felt like i was going MUCH faster.
If I ever come across your way, I owe you a beer for that one.
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It would be too time consuming to reply to all of you. Some have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. If you want fast don't buy a jeep! There is lots of good info online on the unichip to prove some of you "Know' it' alls" wrong, with "accurate" dynos!
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I still don't get all the fixation on HP and torque comparisons anyway. Its a Jeep, for crying out loud. The factory lists the net HP on my CJ5, 304 V8 at 125HP! How do you like that power? ! Oh, and it has run the Rubicon and the Dusy-Ershim trails with barely a scratch. The lack of power hasn't affected my CJ's offroad abilities, nor that of my JKU .
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Actual Independence test show Airaid gave some results and Unichip did little improvements but not what they claimed. But any improvement can help but at the cost, is it worth it? Best they got together was 7.9hp and 10.1 torque which is less then what AFe claimed they got with their products. Unichips by itself only gave 1.8hp increase and cost $400+. The 7.9 was with both. Add a little more cash and regear will give much better results. Companies clam a lot to sell a product and if it did even close to what they claimed, it would be a hit and everyone would already have one. They have been around for the JK for a while. There is a reason no one really talks about it.

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Butt dynos are important. If it makes you happy that is all that matters.
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Butt dynos are important. If it makes you happy that is all that matters.
True! I have the "anti" Jeep, in my Lotus Elise. Everything very lightweight. "Stage II exhaust, 8 hp...cold air intake, 3 hp..." No way. Forget it. Same with the Jeep. I have ported headers, Superchips, Airaid, Magnaflow...all supposed to make extra ponies. Butt dyno doesn't even say "wow". But it sounds damn good! After I put all the extra weight on the rig...it would nullify any difference anyway. Kudos for the dyno though!
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Butt dynos are important. If it makes you happy that is all that matters.
Butt dynos never lie and are uber accurate.
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I took my doors off and hung my head outside while driving down the highway; felt like i was going MUCH faster.
Reading this made it worth it that I can't sleep at 3am and I'm on WF.
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Reading this made it worth it that I can't sleep at 3am and I'm on WF.
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Reading this made it worth it that I can't sleep at 3am and I'm on WF.
Well I got to bed at 3:30 and back up at 8:00 so I got 4 and a half hours last night. Thats good for me lol
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Here is an article testing the Unichip on a 3.8 with several dyno runs before and after

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Should have spent your money on something made to go fast!
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Here is an article testing the Unichip on a 3.8 with several dyno runs before and after

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Too bad I don't run @ 5k... Ever.

I am tuned with 93 octane w/ Superchips.
Although a great upgrade-doubt I am getting the performance gain they claim.
Plus I don't run at that high rPm. Tops 4k (maybe)-if I have to really get up and go.
The real improvement IMO is the throttle map adjustment-available on the tuner, and Sprintbooster. Drivability is better but $600+? That is half a regear
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Here is an article testing the Unichip on a 3.8 with several dyno runs before and after

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I wasn't going to say anything else on this and I don't won't to go on but really, the dynos were provided by Unichips and they thanked them for their support. Not to mention that Unichips dyno claims a stock JK is 210hp from a dyno test which is absolutely false.

It is 160 or there about so the dyno is false just from that result. They took engine numbers from the factory and posted that to a the chart. That wasn't even a real dyno number. This was not an independent test. They use data directly from the Jeeps spec sheet. If this was a real test they would have had a real independent dyno ran as with the other article. And it would have been from the 160hp real wheel dyno numbers, not from factory specs. Exact factory specs.

I'm sorry, I don't want to say anything bad but hate for people to see that article and think it was real data. At least if they were going to falsify data they should have at least done it better. If they wanted to do a false report better it should have shown hp in stock at 160 hp as with a real dyno and their numbers as 186hp. At least people would have a harder time proven them wrong. Or at least claim they pulled the motor and ran the data with the motor only free of drive train

Not saying it doesn't work at all, just that they are liar liars pants on fire

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